Zompist Bboard Again

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:38 pm (Actually, it’s meant to be a proto-language, although I haven’t gotten around to deriving any child languages from it. But I’m glad that it looks realistic enough to get this sort of question!)

Anisinaabemowinil li dua mayosit raa.
Ojibwe-descendant INST 1 read-SS PAST
I read it as an Ojibwe-derived language.

Vilike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:19 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:38 pm (Actually, it’s meant to be a proto-language, although I haven’t gotten around to deriving any child languages from it. But I’m glad that it looks realistic enough to get this sort of question!)

Anisinaabemowinil li dua mayosit raa.
Ojibwe-descendant INST 1 read-SS PAST
I read it as an Ojibwe-derived language.

Well, that’s because Ojibwe was my main inspiration for the phonology.

(Not translating this because I have absolutely no clue how to translate ‘inspire’. Making a completely new word for it seems ridiculous, especially in a proto-language, but I have no idea how to derive it from the other words in my (very limited) lexicon…)

quinterbeck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:38 amAd imigge unuhwaa allumeu orya allum allona nihmoawage
The greenhouse is bigger than I expected

Ahe! Kka iti! Mue nu izamu xa. Kka toi mue jehe xuas oba ti guni.

ahe

indeed

|

|

kka

not

iti

small

|

|

mue

able

nu

NOM.1S.ICS

i-zamu

PRED-stand

xa

inside

|

|

kka

not

toi

would

mue

able

jehe

use

xua-s

LOC.3S.DEF.INAN-EP

oba

room

ti

PRF

g-uni

COP-GEN.1S.ICS

.
Yeah! It's not small! I can stand up inside it. It wouldn't be possible to use this in my old room.

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:07 amYaazhkwaay meshwoogem zelag-sileemik yaagidi. Zhaagek kaangik YAAGIZHBEESHIMEN riʔaa — deenig yaaywabihnem sileemek niigbe yaazhem zobegin riʔaa!
/jaːʒkwaːj meʃwoːɡem zelaɡsileːmik jaːɡidi || ʒaːɡek kaːŋik jaːɡizbeːʃimen riʔaː | deːnig jaːjwabihnem sileːmek niːɡbe jaːʒem zobeɡin riʔaː/
I see you have pitcher plants. I really HATE those — plants that eat animals are really creepy!

(No, really — I do have a serious fear of carnivorous plants, to the extent that I feel uncomfortable even typing those words ‘pitcher plant’ in the English translation! Well, at least the ones in your photos look fairly healthy, even if I’m a bit uncomfortable with them.)

To, ka xabas eui lo mahu zuos ebazo kka ba lore xu euos ojogu kka xa lubuenio.

to

well;then;thus

|

|

xaba-s

(make).happy-EP

eui

DAT.2S.ICS

lo

ADV

mahu

known

zuo-s

NOM.C-EP

ebazo

right.now

kka

not

ba

very

lore

healthy

xu

NOM.3S.DEF.INAN

euo-s

two-EP

ojogu

Nepenthes

kka

not

xa

inside

lubu-enio

box;cage-plant

Well, you'll be pleased to know that the two pitcher plants that are not in the terrarium are not particularly healthy right now.

Kijogu! Bokas eni zuos aio egue kue jogu iexi zuo zo hue lika xu aia xua malasenio.

ki-jogu

without-cup

|

|

boka-s

hoped

eni

DAT.1S.ICS

zuo-s

NOM.C-EP

aio

help

egue

again

kue

create

jogu

cup

iexi

DAT.3P.DEF.INAN

zuo

NOM.C

zo

underway;PROG

hue

more;COMP

lika

wet

xu

NOM.3S.DEF.INAN

aia

air;space

xua

LOC.3S.DEF.INAN

mala-s-enio

house-EP-plant

They don't have any pitchers! I'm hoping the higher humidiy in the greenhouse helps them grow pitchers again.


EDIT: BTW, using colour doesn't mean I'm in character, as at least was the custom a while back. It's just because the gloss text is also in bold and colour was needed to make it readable. Green = me.

Imralu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:44 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:07 amYaazhkwaay meshwoogem zelag-sileemik yaagidi. Zhaagek kaangik YAAGIZHBEESHIMEN riʔaa — deenig yaaywabihnem sileemek niigbe yaazhem zobegin riʔaa!
/jaːʒkwaːj meʃwoːɡem zelaɡsileːmik jaːɡidi || ʒaːɡek kaːŋik jaːɡizbeːʃimen riʔaː | deːnig jaːjwabihnem sileːmek niːɡbe jaːʒem zobeɡin riʔaː/
I see you have pitcher plants. I really HATE those — plants that eat animals are really creepy!

(No, really — I do have a serious fear of carnivorous plants, to the extent that I feel uncomfortable even typing those words ‘pitcher plant’ in the English translation! Well, at least the ones in your photos look fairly healthy, even if I’m a bit uncomfortable with them.)

To, ka xabas eui lo mahu zuos ebazo kka ba lore xu euos ojogu kka xa lubuenio.

to

well;then;thus

|

|

xaba-s

(make).happy-EP

eui

DAT.2S.ICS

lo

ADV

mahu

known

zuo-s

NOM.C-EP

ebazo

right.now

kka

not

ba

very

lore

healthy

xu

NOM.3S.DEF.INAN

euo-s

two-EP

ojogu

Nepenthes

kka

not

xa

inside

lubu-enio

box;cage-plant

Well, you'll be pleased to know that the two pitcher plants that are not in the terrarium are not particularly healthy right now.

Kijogu! Bokas eni zuos aio egue kue jogu iexi zuo zo hue lika xu aia xua malasenio.

ki-jogu

without-cup

|

|

boka-s

hoped

eni

DAT.1S.ICS

zuo-s

NOM.C-EP

aio

help

egue

again

kue

create

jogu

cup

iexi

DAT.3P.DEF.INAN

zuo

NOM.C

zo

underway;PROG

hue

more;COMP

lika

wet

xu

NOM.3S.DEF.INAN

aia

air;space

xua

LOC.3S.DEF.INAN

mala-s-enio

house-EP-plant

They don't have any pitchers! I'm hoping the higher humidiy in the greenhouse helps them grow pitchers again.

Yaagazhbeeshimen reeʔ, yaagehen riʔaa sileemikem waalenin. Yaazhyoog ang yaganikem waalin!
/jaːɡaʒbeːʃimen reːʔ | jaːɡehen riʔaː sileːmikem waːlenin || jaːʒjoːɡ aŋ jaganikem waːlin/

Even if I don’t like them, it’s sad when plants don’t grow. I hope they start growing now!

Gloss: (Also — you mentioned two pitcher plants, so yay, I finally got an opportunity to use my dual number! I specifically included it in my language because I wanted to do something a bit different, but I haven’t had an opportunity to use it in a sentence up till now.)

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:32 am Yaagizhbeeshimen reeʔ, yaagehen riʔaa sileemikem waalenin. Yaazhyoog ang yaganikem waalin!
/jaːɡiʒbeːʃimen reːʔ | jaːɡehen riʔaː sileːmikem waːlenin || jaːʒjoːɡ aŋ jaganikem waːlin/

Even if I don’t like them, it’s sad when plants don’t grow. I hope they start growing now!

Mies ahe guana! Zola zuo kka kue jogu. Kuaxiie to xumes a hamia kiuelos a hamia les aia lika.
They are growing though! They're just not making pitchers. For that they need enough light and humidity.

Tiia kijogu xuue. Ti bilo ixu va jogu toua lazai.
Here's a picture without pitchers. The pitchers had all died so I cut them off.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:32 am(Also — you mentioned two pitcher plants, so yay, I finally got an opportunity to use my dual number! I specifically included it in my language because I wanted to do something a bit different, but I haven’t had an opportunity to use it in a sentence up till now.)

Nice!

Imralu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:12 am Mies ahe guana! Zola zuo kka kue jogu. Kuaxiie to xumes a hamia kiuelos a hamia les aia lika.
They are growing though! They're just not making pitchers. For that they need enough light and humidity.

Si pei nor mair plante me onsem pe iogopen monnor?
/si pəi̯ noɹ mɛa̯ɹ ˈplɛntə mə ˈonsəm pə ˈjoʁowən ˈmonːʊɹ/
Q cup also be-3s plant POSS.INAL flower or component be.another.kind-3s
Are the pitchers also the plant's flowers, or are they a distinct part of the plant?

Imralu wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:54 amDid everybody's signatures disappear?

Mi neba af siynaca, an mi in co dem, so mi in go se.
I've never had a signature, and I don't show them, so I wouldn't know.

Now you can see my plants.

Maynifsan!
Wonderful!

It wasn't me.

Yu ray! Mi di komfyus kos yu pos nes fo-bradrn pos, an im swel geda "here it is" an wan link.
You are right! I was confused because your post followed bradrn's post, and it also included "here it is" and a link.


JAL

din wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:05 pm

Imralu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:12 am Mies ahe guana! Zola zuo kka kue jogu. Kuaxiie to xumes a hamia kiuelos a hamia les aia lika.
They are growing though! They're just not making pitchers. For that they need enough light and humidity.

Si pei nor mair plante me onsem pe iogopen monnor?
/si pəi̯ noɹ mɛa̯ɹ ˈplɛntə mə ˈonsəm pə ˈjoʁowən ˈmonːʊɹ/
Q cup also be-3s plant POSS.INAL flower or component be.another.kind-3s
Are the pitchers also the plant's flowers, or are they a distinct part of the plant?

Za stiãt com șe dionate avroditiie, lèie fiorae și lèie pieje di mustioc̦e nè sãt misme. (Șe dionate avroditiie ãt delle minutie fiorae albe.)
If they're like Venus' flytraps, their flowers and their fly traps aren't the same. (Venus' flytraps have very small white flowers.)

din wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:05 pm

Imralu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:12 am Mies ahe guana! Zola zuo kka kue jogu. Kuaxiie to xumes a hamia kiuelos a hamia les aia lika.
They are growing though! They're just not making pitchers. For that they need enough light and humidity.

Si pei nor mair plante me onsem pe iogopen monnor?
/si pəi̯ noɹ mɛa̯ɹ ˈplɛntə mə ˈonsəm pə ˈjoʁowən ˈmonːʊɹ/
Q cup also be-3s plant POSS.INAL flower or component be.another.kind-3s
Are the pitchers also the plant's flowers, or are they a distinct part of the plant?

Wikipiidiya yaaygzhoom meshyaagik sileemem siidepikem nang zo.
/wikipiːdija jaːɡʒoːm meʃjaːɡik sileːmem siːdepikem naŋ zo/

Wikipedia says they’re part of the plant’s leaves.

Wikipiidiya

Wikipedia

yaa-y-gzhoom

3s.ABS-3s.ERG-say

mesh=[yaagik-∅

C=3p-ABS

sileem-em

plant-GEN

siidep-ik-em

leaf-PLU-GEN

nang-∅

part-ABS

zo].

EQ

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:54 pmWikipedia says they’re part of the plant’s leaves.

Ye, mi ja bo tok dis, oba taym da mi rit fo-yu notis. An it a sen, kos bwit an it a tu difa mata.
Yes, I was just going to say this, when I read your comment. And it makes sense, because procreation and eating are two different things.


JAL

Laa nonig Yegoerid Goa deana!
Happy Easter!


Wedain Adyaame raida!
Christ is risen!

Api an blesful Ista! Jisas stan op ota det!
A happy and blessed Easter! Jesus has risen from the dead!


JAL

din wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:05 pmSi pei nor mair plante me onsem pe iogopen monnor?
/si pəi̯ noɹ mɛa̯ɹ ˈplɛntə mə ˈonsəm pə ˈjoʁowən ˈmonːʊɹ/
Q cup also be-3s plant POSS.INAL flower or component be.another.kind-3s
Are the pitchers also the plant's flowers, or are they a distinct part of the plant?

Jema taga vanis ixu li jogu.

jema

extremity

taga

midrib

vani-s

leaf

ixu

NOM.3P.DEF.INAN

li

become;INCH

jogu

cup

The pitchers form from the ends of the leaves' midribs.
(What becomes the pitchers are the ends of the leaves' midribs.)

Zinuua xu taga to molino xu jemaiti to joginu.

z‹in›uua

long‹PFV.INCH›

xu

NOM.3S.DEF.INAN

taga

midrib

to

then;thus

mol‹in›o

swollen‹PFV.INCH›

xu

NOM.3S.DEF.INAN

jema-iti

end-small

to

then;thus

jog‹in›u

cup‹PFV.INCH›

The midrib gets longer and the tip swells and then grows into a pitcher.

Xevua xuue viriio xi zoe.

xev‹u›a

visible‹CAUS›

xuue

NOM.3S.DEF.INAN.PROX

viriio

video

xi

ACC.3S.DEF.INAN

zoe

manner;way;method

This video shows how.

Maju ixu ahi azo giuxi ho bitiabalanta za ho zauasiniia xue ho taligitoniia xue ho hiliiamvora zas alumu migio zauasiniieisiiei.

maju

different

ixu

NOM.3P.DEF.INAN

ahi

type;kind

azo

other

g-iuxi

COP-GEN.3P.DEF.INAN

ho

QUOT

bitiabalanta

pitcher.plant

za

REL

ho

QUOT

zauasiniia

Sarracenia

xue

and(VP)

ho

QUOT

taligitoniia

Darlingtonia

xue

and(VP)

ho

QUOT

hiliiamvora

Heliamphora

za-s

REL-EP

alumu

member;belong

migio

family

zauasiniieisiiei

Sarraceniaceae

The other types of pitcher plants, Sarracenia, Darlingtonia and Heliamphora, which are members of the family Sarraceniaceae, are different.

Ko vuuitis ixu vahu vani.

ko

similar

vuuiti-s

tube-EP

ixu

NOM.3P.DEF.INAN

vahu

entirety

vani

leaf

The whole leaves are tube-like.

Ttu eni zuo hue kos ojogu ixu zevalotasa zas alumu migios azos azo mie tehi euos ahi vanis ixua.

ttu

likely.truth

eni

DAT.1S.ICS

zuo

NOM.C

hue

more;COMP

ko-s

similar-EP

ojogu

pitcher.plant;Nepenthes

ixu

NOM.3P.DEF.INAN

zevalotasa

Cephalotus

za-s

REL

alumu

member

migio-s

family-EP

azo-s

other-EP

azo

other

mie

but

tehi

maybe

euo-s

two-EP

ahi

kind;type

vani-s

leaf

ixua

LOC.3P.DEF.INAN

I think Cephalotus, which belongs to yet another family, is more similar to Nepenthes but maybe they have two types of leaves.

Zolas ojogus uni.

zola-s

solely

ojogu-s

Nepenthes-EP

nua

GEN.1S.ICS

I only have Nepenthes.

Zola ojogu xua Qu.

zola-s

solely

ojogu

Nepenthes

xua

LOC.3S.DEF.INAN

Qu

Qu

There are only Nepenthes in Qu.

jal wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:06 am Ye, mi ja bo tok dis, oba taym da mi rit fo-yu notis. An it a sen, kos bwit an it a tu difa mata.
Yes, I was just going to say this, when I read your comment. And it makes sense, because procreation and eating are two different things.

I cîn sen athar o sihtadolli, tiorno misott sihpantaiôgott oimaumênieiott i sodon ma plante pender tionie.
/i kɪi̯n sən ˈɛθaɹ ʊ ˈsiɕtɪˌðojːə | ˈtɕoɹnʊ ˈmisʊt ˈsiɕpɪntɛˌjoʊʁʊt ˈʊi̯moʊ̯məːˌɲəjʊt i ˈsoðʊn ma ˈplɛntə pənːəɹ ˈtɕoɲə/
this here NEG.3s be.true-3s with spider, thus want<PRF>-1s avoid<PRF>-1s underestimate<PRF>-1s CL strangeness POS.INAL plant eat-3s flying.insect
That's not the case for spiders, so I didn't want to underestimate the strangeness of insect-eating plants.

Ben, ohta mountos ma iddesîro iddersgair!
/pən | ˈohta ˈmʏʊ̯ntʊs ma ˈidːəˌsɪi̯ɹʊ ˈidːəɹsʁɛa̯ɹ/
Ben, MOD thanks for explanation be.interesting-3s
Thanks a lot for the interesting explanation, Ben!

din wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:09 pmI cîn sen athar o sihtadolli, tiorno misott sihpantaiôgott oimaumênieiott i sodon ma plante pender tionie.
/i kɪi̯n sən ˈɛθaɹ ʊ ˈsiɕtɪˌðojːə | ˈtɕoɹnʊ ˈmisʊt ˈsiɕpɪntɛˌjoʊʁʊt ˈʊi̯moʊ̯məːˌɲəjʊt i ˈsoðʊn ma ˈplɛntə pənːəɹ ˈtɕoɲə/
this here NEG.3s be.true-3s with spider, thus want<PRF>-1s avoid<PRF>-1s underestimate<PRF>-1s CL strangeness POS.INAL plant eat-3s flying.insect
That's not the case for spiders, so I didn't want to underestimate the strangeness of insect-eating plants.

Lo itie tos aza xai, ha?
[ló i̯tsé tó sàzá ʃàí | há]

lo

ADV

itie

unimportant

to-s

then;thus

aza

other

xai

hole

|

|

ha

Q

It's still a different hole though, innit?

din wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:09 pmBen, ohta mountos ma iddesîro iddersgair!
/pən | ˈohta ˈmʏʊ̯ntʊs ma ˈidːəˌsɪi̯ɹʊ ˈidːəɹsʁɛa̯ɹ/
Ben, MOD thanks for explanation be.interesting-3s
Thanks a lot for the interesting explanation, Ben!

Kka tieua.
[kʼá tsèwâ]

kka

not

t‹i›eua

thank‹GDV›

You're welcome!

Guegue xevaloes eni akuo geio meje.

guegue

happen.repeatedly

xeva-loe-s

seen-sleep-EP

eni

DAT.1S.ICS

akuo

LOC.C.TEMP

geio

night

meje

previous

I had a lot of dreams last night.

Xevaloe lo nios euo zuo kue iju ali guni jo kka vai ahu nu lo zoie xu igombo.

xeva-loe

seen-sleep

lo

ADV

nio-s

event-EP

euo

two

zuo

NOM.C

kue

cause

iju

NOM.3P.DEF.ICS

ali

friend

g-uni

COP-GEN.1S.ICS

jo

ACC.C

kka

not

vai

stay

ahu

one;alone

nu

NOM.1S.ICS

lo

ADV

zoie

order

xu

NOM.3S.DEF.INAN

igombo

government

I had two dreams about my friends making me break quarantine orders.

Ila likas eni mu ali guni.

ila

speak

lika-s

wet

eni

DAT.1S.ICS

mu

NOM.3S.SPEC.ICS

ali

friend

g-uni

COP-GEN.1S.ICS

One of my friends "spoke moistly" on me.

Xevaloe lo nios euo zuo vara nu eji taxo ti guni tejo varu nu.

xeva-loe

seen-sleep

lo

ADV

nio-s

event-EP

euo

two

zuo

NOM.C

vara

anger(VB)

nu

NOM.1S.ICS

eji

DAT.3S.DEF.ICS

taxo

boss

ti

PRF;former

g-uni

COP-GEN.1S.ICS

tejo

CAUS.C

varu

bad;inept

nu

NOM.1S.ICS

I had two dreams about my old boss getting angry with me because I was incompetent.

EDIT: While glossing, I noticed I mistakenly used zoi "say", "tell" instead of ila "speak", "talk".

Imralu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:31 am Zoi likas eni mu ali guni.
One of my friends "spoke moistly" on me.

Gen armu nageinolha oryeg?
What on earth does that mean?

Oi dad areadeara inwe hean?
That her breath was wet?

quinterbeck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:55 pmGen armu nageinolha oryeg?
What on earth does that mean?

Oi dad areadeara inwe hean?
That her breath was wet?

E hales eji Jasiti Nturo. (E xevia!)

e

IMP

hale-s

ask-EP

eji

DAT.3S.DEF.ICS

Jasiti

Justi-

Nturo

-n Trudeau

|

e

IMP

xevia

look;watch

Ask Justin Trudeau. (Watch!)

Ti mahu eui texi mo zuo mele ju ali guni?

ti

PRF

mahu

known

eui

DAT.2S.ICS

texi

CAUS.3S.DEF.INAN

mo

what

zuo

NOM.C

mele

FEMALE

ju

NOM.3S.DEF.ICS

ali

friend

g-uni

COP-GEN.1S.ICS

How did you know that my friend was female?

quinterbeck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:55 pmOi dad

Evu banana!

evu

VOC.2S.ICS

banana

father

Oi, Dad!

Imralu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:10 pm Ti mahu eui texi mo zuo mele ju ali guni?

ti

PRF

mahu

known

eui

DAT.2S.ICS

texi

CAUS.3S.DEF.INAN

mo

what

zuo

NOM.C

mele

FEMALE

ju

NOM.3S.DEF.ICS

ali

friend

g-uni

COP-GEN.1S.ICS

How did you know that my friend was female?

Hegu den araugmu! Wan warai den reo gei...

he-

DUB-

gu

INF

den

ACT.PST.2s

araug

say

-mu

-MED |

wan

but.then

wa-

MIR-

rai

VIS

den

ACT.PST.2s

reo

NEG

gei

do

I thought that you had said it! But I can see that you didn't...

Pronouns in Leima don't have gender, so I should probably have translated -we as 'they' anyway

Imralu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:10 pm

quinterbeck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:55 pmOi dad

Evu banana!

evu

VOC.2S.ICS

banana

father

Oi, Dad!

oi = subjunctive
dad = past tense of ad, the PROP (property) auxiliary

Imralu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:10 pm Evu banana!

evu

VOC.2S.ICS

banana

father

Oi, Dad!

Si tiauladohi tope panân ma na siesca? Î cin si mair «tota mulier in utero» o miullist ma ie, ciu?
/si ˈtɕoʊ̯lɪðʊɕ ˈtowə ˈpɛnɛa̯n ma na ˈɕəska | ɪi̯ kin si mɛa̯ɹ ˈtota ˈmʏʊ̯jəɹ in ˈʏʊ̯təɹʊ ʊ ˈmʏʊ̯lːɪst ma jə kʏʊ̯/
Q diminish<IPFV>-2s dad banana POSS.INAL 3s to? this here Q COP-3s CL 'all woman in womb' by language POSS.INAL 2s MOD?
Did you reduce dad to his banana? Is this your conlang's 'tota mulier in utero'?



(I never thought I'd be using my conlang to translate a message like this. Or that I would ever transcribe Latin as if it were pronounced by a Tormiott speaker)