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Clock Dragon
*b *d *dʲ *ɟ *gʲ *g *gʷ
*p *t *tʲ *c *kʲ *k *kʷ
*s *sʲ
*m *n *nʲ *ɲ *ŋ *ŋʷ

*i *u
*e *o
*a

nʲataasʲaanʲ kʲamiotakani tʲan niikʷigʷenʲdʲipa adesakoɟoma
1+Collective-ESS dragon+LNK+clock-DAT LAT 1.pl-D-bring-AOR-PERF shine+UNCNT-ACC
“We bring glory to the clock dragon”

oosa kʷibidinʲanekenna banipanima taadesakon
GEN+VERB.2 D+light+star+VERB.1-SUB friend-ACC 2.sg-shine+on
“May the light shine on you friend”

nʲa nʲatseime maɲɲa oo podonʲane gʲantadʲi
1 daughter-CONS name GEN map+star have-AOR
“My daughter has the name starmap”

nʲanetaa oo anamema teŋko ŋʷannadasʲaanʲ
star+Collective GEN animal-ACC-CONS sacred+NOM coyote-ESS
“The coyote is a sacred animal of the stars”

*b *d *g *gʷ
*p *t *k *kʷ
*z *zʲ *ʒ
*s *sʲ *ʃ
*ɬ *l *lʲ
*r *j *w
*m *n *nʲ *ɲ

*i *y *u
*e *ø *o
*ɛ *a

nʲataajaanʲ ʃawiotakari sʲan niikʷiwellʲipa alerakojuwa
oora kʷivininʲalekena maripaniwa taanerakon
nʲa nʲaɬeiwe maɲa oo ponunʲare ʒadalʲi
nʲaretaa oo anamiwa tego wanalasaanʲ

/b d dʲ ɟ gʲ g gʷ/ <b d d' j g' g gw>
/p t tʲ c kʲ k kʷ/ <p t t' c k' k kw>
/s sʲ/ <s s'>
/m n nʲ ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/ <m n n' y ĝ ĝw>

/i u/ <i u>
/e o/ <e o>
/a/ <a>

/nʲataasʲaanʲ kʲamiotakani tʲan niikʷigʷenʲdʲipa adesakoɟoma. oosa kʷibidinʲanekenna banipanima taadesakon. nʲa nʲatseime maɲɲa oo podonʲane gʲantadʲi. nʲanetaa oo anamema teŋko ŋʷannadasʲaanʲ./

N'ataas'aan' k'amiotakani t'an niikwigwend'ipa adesakojoma. Oosa kwibidin'anekenna banipanima taadesakon. N'a n'atseime mayya oo podon'ane g'antad'i. N'anetaa oo anamema tenko ĝwannadas'aan'.

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/b d g gʷ/ <b d g gw>
/p t k kʷ/ <p t k kw>
/z zʲ ʒ/ <z ÿ j>
/s sʲ ʃ/ <s x c>
/ɬ l lʲ/ <ł l ly>
/r j w/ <r y w>
/m n nʲ ɲ/ <m n ń ny>

/i y u/ <i ü u>
/e ø o/ <e ö o>
/ɛ a/ <ä a>

Ńataayaań cawiotakari xan niikwiwellyipa alerakoyuwa. Oora kwivinińalekena maripaniwa taanerakon. Ńa ńałeiwe manya oo ponuńare jadalyi. Ńaretaa oo anamiwa tego wanalasaań.

foxcatdog wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 4:41 am *m *n *nʲ *ɲ

Are you sure you mean *ɲ and not *ŋ? Those tailed n's are easy to confuse with each other, and a phonemic opposition between *nʲ and *ɲ seems weird.

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 9:59 am

foxcatdog wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 4:41 am *m *n *nʲ *ɲ

Are you sure you mean *ɲ and not *ŋ? Those tailed n's are easy to confuse with each other, and a phonemic opposition between *nʲ and *ɲ seems weird.

Agreed - a contrast between a palatalized nasal and a palatal nasal seems very strange to me.

*m *n *nʲ
*b *d *g
*p *t *k
*t͡ʃ
*v *z *zʲ *ʒ
*f *s *sʲ *ʃ *h
*r *l *lʲ
*w *j

*i *y *ɯ *u
*e *o
*æ *a

*elpo “dog” *dawon “person” *sent “holy” *pɯl “coin” *galipus “wolf” *naks “fox” *olʲo “sun” *barodo “sky” *azul “blue” *kreks “clothes” *t͡ʃælp “scallop” *kæp “seaweed” *mymoʃ “vole” *kanʲo “wind” *vago “bull” *adawl “cherry” *ʒoto “tax” *dalu “king” *kozʲur “to close” *sʲan “fire”

Before front vowels <ë i>:
d dʲ t tʲ n nʲ <dh d th t nh n>

Before other vowels:
d dʲ t tʲ n nʲ <d di t ti n ni>

Before front vowels <ë e i>:
b ɟ gʲ g gʷ <b g gh gu gü>
p c kʲ k kʷ <p c ch qu cu>
s sʲ <s ch>
m ɲ ŋ ŋʷ <m gn ngu ngü>

Before other vowels:
gʲ g gʷ <gi g gu>
kʲ k kʷ <ci c qu>
ɲ ŋ ŋʷ <gn ng ngu>

p b s sʲ m <p b s ch m>
ɲɲ ŋŋ <gnh ñg>

i ii u uu <i~y î~ih~ŷ u û~uh>
e ee o oo <e ê~eh o ô~oh>
a aa <ä a>, but <ë ëh> following /tʲ dʲ nʲ sʲ c ɟ kʲ gʲ ɲ/

<y> is written for /i/ adjacent to a vowel or at the end of a word. Word-final palatalizing <i> takes a breve.
Vowel length is written with <h> when preceding a consonant written without the letters <m n h>, otherwise with a circumflex.

nʲataasʲaanʲ kʲamiotakani tʲan niikʷigʷenʲdʲipa adesakoɟoma
Nëtachan chiamyotacanhy tën nhihcuigüendýpä ädesäcogiomä.

oosa kʷibidinʲanekenna banipanima taadesakon
Ohsä cuibidinënequennä bänhipänhimä tadesäcon.

nʲa nʲatseime maɲɲa oo podonʲane gʲantadʲi
Në nëtseyme mägnhä ô podonëne ghëntädy.

nʲanetaa oo anamema teŋko ŋʷannadasʲaanʲ
Nëneta ô änämemä tenco nguännädäsëhenĭ.

처음에 세상에는 언어가 하나뿐이어서, 모두가 같은 말을 썼다.
Cɐ·oum·oɐi sɐi·sao·oɐi·nun oɐn·oɐ·ga ôa·na·ppvn·oi·oɐ·sɐ, mʌ·dv·ga gat·oun mal·oul ssɐss·da.
Cehoumoey seysaooeynun oenoehga ôahnahppvnoyoehse, mʌhdvhga gatoun maloul ssessda.
Ceumẹ sẹsaoẹnun enega ôanap̄vniese, mʌdvga gatun malul s̄es̄da.
Çhëïme zezaŋenïn ënëga hanapuniëzë, moduga gathïn marïr sësda.

사람들이 동쪽에서 이동하여 오다가, 시날 땅 한 들판에 이르러서, 거기에 자리를 잡았다.
Sa·lam·dul·oi dʌo·jjʌg·oɐi·sɐ oi·dʌo·ôa·oɐ̈ oʌ·da·ga, si·nal ttao ôan dul·pan·oɐi oi·lu·lɐ·sɐ, gɐ·gi·oɐi ja·li·lul jab·oass·da.
Sahlamduloy dʌojjʌgoeyse oydʌoôahoë oʌhdahga, synal ttao ôan dulpanoey oyluhlehse, gehgyoey jahlylul jaboassda.
Salamduli dʌoj̄ʌgẹse idʌoôaë ʌdaga, sinal t̄ao ôan dulpanẹ ilulese, gegiẹ jalilul jabas̄da.
Zaramdïri doŋçogezë idëŋhayë ëdaga, zinar taŋ han dïrphane irïrëzë, gëgie carirïr cabasda.

*m *n *nʲ | m n ń
*b *d *g | b d g
*p *t *k | p t c
*t͡ʃ | č
*v *z *zʲ *ʒ | v z ź ž
*f *s *sʲ *ʃ *h | f s ś š h
*r *l *lʲ | r l ĺ
*w *j | w y

*i *y *ɯ *u | i ü ï u
*e *o | e o
*æ *a | ä a

elpo "dog"
dawon "person"
sent "holy"
pïl "coin"
galipus "wolf"
nacs "fox"
oĺo "sun"
barodo "sky"
azul "blue"
crecs "clothes"
čälp "scallop"
cäp "seaweed"
mümoš "vole"
cańo "wind"
vago "bull"
adawl "cherry"
joto "tax"
dalu "lking"
coźur "close"
śan "fire"

/p pʰ t c k kʰ ʔ/ <p ph t ch k kh h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/s~ʃ h/ <s h>
/w l j/ <w l y>

/i ɨ u e ə o a/ <i ö u e ü o a>

/a o u/ are lengthened before approximants.

There are three tones: level (unmarked), rising and falling.

/hǐpəkjoʔoŋe tajtaki wâkcɨŋme nôkcâ ŋoʔ || tə̌wnôkme henloŋʃe mɨ̌npu ʃɨkonahacâ ŋoʔ || jaə nawja joʔoŋe məje ŋoʔ || ecəj liʔwaŋə enaw henloŋ nawja məjpu ŋee eə majne meənhǔêtəjʔ || tə̌wkʰəj eə miʔpannawʃe kǐʔe enôkte jacəjʔe ənme pəjŋe ŋoʔ/
Hipükyoh-onge taitaki wakchöngme nokcha ngoh. Tüwnokme henlongshe mönpu shökonahacha ngoh. Yaü nauya yoh-onge müye ngoh. Echüi lihwangü enau henlong nauya müipu ngee eü maine meünhuetüih. Tüwkhüi eü mihpannaushe kih-e enokte yachüih-e ünme püinge ngoh.

Karch wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:09 pm /i ɨ u e ə o a/ <i ö u e ü o a>

Seriously?

/p pʰ t c k kʰ ʔ/ <π φ τ ξ κ χ VV>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <μ ν νι γ(γ)>
/s~ʃ h/ <σ ◌̔>
/w l j/ <(ο)υ λ ι>

/i ɨ u e ə o a/ <ι υ ου η ε ο/ω α>

There are three tones: level, rising (acute) and falling (circumflex).

/hǐpəkjoʔoŋe tajtaki wâkcɨŋme nôkcâ ŋoʔ || tə̌wnôkme henloŋʃe mɨ̌npu ʃɨkonahacâ ŋoʔ || jaə nawja joʔoŋe məje ŋoʔ || ecəj liʔwaŋə enaw henloŋ nawja məjpu ŋee eə majne meənhǔêtəjʔ || tə̌wkʰəj eə miʔpannawʃe kǐʔe enôkte jacəjʔe ənme pəjŋe ŋoʔ/
Ἵπεκιοοογγη ταιτακι ουα̑κξυγμη νῶκξα̑ γγοο. Τέυνῶκμη ἡνλογση μύνπου συκοναἁξᾶ γγοο. Ιαε ναυια ιοοογγη μειη γγοο. Ηξει λιιουαγγε ηναυ ἡνλογ ναυια μειπου γγηη̈ ηε μαινη μηενὁύῆτεει. Τέυχει ηε μιιπανναυση κιιη̈ ηνῶκτη ιαξεειε ενμη πειγγη γγοο.

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:52 pm /p pʰ t c k kʰ ʔ/ <π φ τ ξ κ χ VV>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <μ ν νι γ(γ)>
/s~ʃ h/ <σ ◌̔>
/w l j/ <(ο)υ λ ι>

/i ɨ u e ə o a/ <ι υ ου η ε ο/ω α>

There are three tones: level, rising (acute) and falling (circumflex).

/hǐpəkjoʔoŋe tajtaki wâkcɨŋme nôkcâ ŋoʔ || tə̌wnôkme henloŋʃe mɨ̌npu ʃɨkonahacâ ŋoʔ || jaə nawja joʔoŋe məje ŋoʔ || ecəj liʔwaŋə enaw henloŋ nawja məjpu ŋee eə majne meənhǔêtəjʔ || tə̌wkʰəj eə miʔpannawʃe kǐʔe enôkte jacəjʔe ənme pəjŋe ŋoʔ/
Ἵπεκιοοογγη ταιτακι ουα̑κξυγμη νῶκξα̑ γγοο. Τέυνῶκμη ἡνλογση μύνπου συκοναἁξᾶ γγοο. Ιαε ναυια ιοοογγη μειη γγοο. Ηξει λιιουαγγε ηναυ ἡνλογ ναυια μειπου γγηη̈ ηε μαινη μηενὁύῆτεει. Τέυχει ηε μιιπανναυση κιιη̈ ηνῶκτη ιαξεειε ενμη πειγγη γγοο.

Wow - a sane Nort-orthography!

Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:31 pm

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:52 pm /p pʰ t c k kʰ ʔ/ <π φ τ ξ κ χ VV>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <μ ν νι γ(γ)>
/s~ʃ h/ <σ ◌̔>
/w l j/ <(ο)υ λ ι>

/i ɨ u e ə o a/ <ι υ ου η ε ο/ω α>

There are three tones: level, rising (acute) and falling (circumflex).

/hǐpəkjoʔoŋe tajtaki wâkcɨŋme nôkcâ ŋoʔ || tə̌wnôkme henloŋʃe mɨ̌npu ʃɨkonahacâ ŋoʔ || jaə nawja joʔoŋe məje ŋoʔ || ecəj liʔwaŋə enaw henloŋ nawja məjpu ŋee eə majne meənhǔêtəjʔ || tə̌wkʰəj eə miʔpannawʃe kǐʔe enôkte jacəjʔe ənme pəjŋe ŋoʔ/
Ἵπεκιοοογγη ταιτακι ουα̑κξυγμη νῶκξα̑ γγοο. Τέυνῶκμη ἡνλογση μύνπου συκοναἁξᾶ γγοο. Ιαε ναυια ιοοογγη μειη γγοο. Ηξει λιιουαγγε ηναυ ἡνλογ ναυια μειπου γγηη̈ ηε μαινη μηενὁύῆτεει. Τέυχει ηε μιιπανναυση κιιη̈ ηνῶκτη ιαξεειε ενμη πειγγη γγοο.

Wow - a sane Nort-orthography!

yeah but technically not a romanisation

foxcatdog wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:07 pm yeah but technically not a romanisation

Ich würde das Pedanterie nennen.

Anitu Mii
*b *d *g
*p *t *k
*ts
*ɸ *s *h
*w *ɾ~ɺ
*m *n

*i *u
*e *(o)
*a

*į *ų
*ę *(ǫ)
*ą

*o is an allophone of *u in words with a nasal vowel

*eɾe “one”
*nai “two”
*ɸusi “three”
*kui “four”
*me “five”
*ɸoe “house fox”
*tęę “person”
*ɾę “mother”
*mine "fish"
*ma "spear"
*hata “tooth”
*noɾet “tree”
*norecį “forest”
*tųų “bird”
*tiina “boy”
*wuna “shell”
*sabuna “sky”
*sedi “finger”
*tąda “to touch”
*higa “be long”
*ɸetowa “be lucky”
*utse "okra"