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Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:31 am
by Karch
Dlay long Ta' Weta haaè kempöè te' Lung Lejie
Hewin mensah selah kempöè paèt na'an
Ebing blun neha
Kepit mléang dengéah
Lejie dya' las hanguy
ne' pin mtan leléang
Ngendo téang nöng wellun
Hi' haaè tewüp mehbéang
mlang nyen ka ngeduen
wekèah toh mèang bléang
Neither Papuan nor Skouic.

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:47 pm
by Nortaneous
Is it spoken in Malaysia?

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:29 pm
by Karch
Nortaneous wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:47 pm Is it spoken in Malaysia?
No.

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:34 pm
by bradrn
Austroasiatic? If so, going by the consonant clusters I’d say it’s Aslian.

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:05 pm
by Karch
bradrn wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:34 pm Austroasiatic? If so, going by the consonant clusters I’d say it’s Aslian.
It's neither of these.

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:02 pm
by fusijui
Karch wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:11 pm I think I might have the correct answer - it's neither Turkic nor IE, it's very obviously not Tungusic, it looks like Persian but it's "unlikely to be still spoken". Is it Moghol? (If it is, then it must be in a transcription I'm unfamiliar with.)
Ding-dang it, this thread (usually dead) moves SO FAST that on the rare rounds I could actually Name That Language, it's gone before I even see it! :(

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:52 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Karch wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:31 am
Dlay long Ta' Weta haaè kempöè te' Lung Lejie
Hewin mensah selah kempöè paèt na'an
Ebing blun neha
Kepit mléang dengéah
Lejie dya' las hanguy
ne' pin mtan leléang
Ngendo téang nöng wellun
Hi' haaè tewüp mehbéang
mlang nyen ka ngeduen
wekèah toh mèang bléang
Neither Papuan nor Skouic.
Is it SInitic; if not, does it contain Sinitic loanwords? (Lung Lejie looks like it's probably a Mandarin given name).

If it's Sinitic, is it some form of Hokkien?

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:36 pm
by Karch
It's not Sinitic neither does it contain Sinitic loanwords.

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:39 pm
by bradrn
OK… is this spoken in Eurasia at all? If not, is it Oto-Manguean?
fusijui wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:02 pm Ding-dang it, this thread (usually dead) moves SO FAST that on the rare rounds I could actually Name That Language, it's gone before I even see it! :(
Quick, you still have a chance to name this one!

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:48 pm
by Karch
It's not Oto-Manguean, and it's spoken in the Old World (but not in Africa)

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:55 pm
by bradrn
Is it part of the Southeast Asian Linguistic Area? (Including Austronesian as a member of this category.)

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:56 pm
by Karch
Yeah, I think?

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:58 pm
by bradrn
Ooh, finally! So, it’s not Austroasiatic, it’s not Sinitic, it doesn’t look Kra-Dai or other Sino-Tibetan… is it Chamic?

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:06 pm
by Karch
It's not Chamic.

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:55 pm
by Karch
Karch wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:56 pmYeah, I think?
Actually it turns out that it isn't a part of the SALA, since I somehow thought it encompassed all Austronesian languages west of Sulawesi, so no, the typically SALA characteristics were innovated independently.

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:13 pm
by bradrn
Is it at least Austronesian?

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:41 pm
by Karch
It is indeed Austronesian.

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:51 pm
by bradrn
Spoken in the Philippines?

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:53 am
by Raholeun
Is it spoken on Borneo?

Re: Name That Language!

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:53 am
by dendana
It is Modang, spoken in Borneo.

How did I get here? Well first off it kind of looked like it was from Borneo - some languages there have sesquisyllabic structure and large vowel/diphthong systems (iirc it's likely substratum influence from an extinct branch of Austroasiatic). Then I found this awesome dissertation about the languages of Borneo. Skimming through it, the word dlay caught my eye since that was one in the text and it's a noteworthy cluster - it is listed for the Kelai (aka Selai) language. Looking at the Modang-Selai languages on Glottolog, I saw the source A note on 'spirit helpers' in the Lung Lejie epic of the Wehèa Modang (East Kalimantan) and knew it had to be from here, since we saw that name in the source text. Sure enough, the text is from pages 101-102 in that PDF.

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hauiɲenaa ke ere-naa

lejhiĩ katɕa=te miiŋka ke katɕa-ʉrʉ kuti-hjaĩ amia-rate, ʉtene-kʉrʉ-a=ne kujɲa kuriae sauki ora-ĩ amʉ-naanaha ne-ĩ enanihja kʉane
nii kahe-te tʉrʉ-a ʉ-e sonajɲa ɲãe hauini-a raj kakʉnʉ=ne hana
nii hãʉ=te kujɲadera-ĩ ari-tɕate
nii hãʉ=te ari-ĩ mʉkʉ-ʉre suru hana
mʉkʉ-ʉrʉ-a=ne hana=te kuhjuri
nii hana=te mʉkʉ-ĩ ra-e raj neba
raj ɲaka-netonaj=te ajɲa mʉkʉ-e
aladino na-a raj ɲaka kʉraa
marga na-a nii hauiɲenaa kʉraa
ɲãe sa-a