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Bantu mutual intelligibility

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:20 pm
by Otto Kretschmer
Which Bantu languages are mutually intelligible with each other?

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 4:06 pm
by Creyeditor
Might be difficult because some areas where Bantu languages are spoken exhibit varying degrees of multilingualism.

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:19 am
by WeepingElf
There are lots of Bantu languages, so Otto's question is simply too generic to answer!

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:44 pm
by zompist
There are about 400 Narrow Bantu languages. One way to get an idea of how languages differ is to look at translations of the Lord's Prayer, as these are readily available. E.g. a few well-known Bantu languages are shown below. (This is from quick Googling, so I make no promises about the quality of the translations.)

Besides the phonological resemblances, it's pretty hard to see any relatedness at all. (The languages are related, and probably a Bantuist could point out cognates. But cognates don't mean mutual intelligibility; otherwise all IE speakers could understand each other!)

Zulu (Zone S)

Baba wethu osezulwini,
malingcweliswe igama lakho;
mawufike umbuso wakho;
mayenziwe intando yakho
emhlabeni njengasezulwini;
usiphe namuhla isinkwa sethu semihla ngemihla;
usithethelele amacala ethu,
njengalokhu nathi sibathethelela abanecala kithi;
ungasingenisi ekulingweni,
kodwa usikhulule kokubi;
ngokuba umbuso ungowakho,
namandla, nenkazimulo, kuze kubephakade.

Swahili (Zone G)

Baba Yetu uliye mbinguni, Jina lako litukuzwe;
Ufalme wako ufike,
Utakalo lifanyike
Duniani kama mbinguni.
Utupe leo mkate wetu wa kila siku,
Utusamehe makosa yetu,
Kama nasi tunavyowasamehe waliotukosea.
Usitutie katika kishawishi,
Lakini utuopoe maovuni.

Lingala (Zone C)

Tatá na bísó, ya Likoló,
Nkómbó ya Yɔ́ ezala na lokumo,
Bokonzi na Yɔ́ eya,
Nioso Yɔ́ olingi esalama awa na nsé
Ndenge esalamaka na likoló
Pésa bísó lɛlɔ́ biléi oyo ekoki
límbisa bísó mabé tosali yo,
lokóla bísó pe tolimbisi mabe basali bísó.
Kotika monguna ameka bísó tê
Kasi bikisa bíkisa bísó na mabé
Po bokonzi, nguya, pe lokumu ezali ya yo seko.

Kinyarwanda (Zone J)

Dawe uli mu ijuru,
Izina lyawe lyubahwe,
Ingoma yawe yogere hose.
Icyo ushaka gikorwe mu ijuru,
Nk'uko gikorwa mu ijuru.
Ifunguro lidutunga uliduhe none,
Utubabalire ibicumuro byacu.
Nk'uko natwe tubabalira abaducumuyeho.
Ntudutereranee mu bitwoshya Ahubwo udukize icyago.

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:47 pm
by zompist
Oh, as a bonus, one more from Zone S. Compare to Zulu.

Setswana (Zone S)

Rara wa rona yo o kwa legodimong,
leina ja gago a le itshepisiwe,
puso ya gago a e tle,
thato ya gago a e dirwe mo lefatsheng jaaka kwa legodimong.
O re fe gompieno bogobe jwa rona jwa malatsi,
O re itshwarele dibe rona
jaaka le rona re itshwarela ba ba re leofetseng,
O se ka wa re isa mo thaelong,
mme O re golole mo bosuleng.

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:41 am
by Raphael
Interesting, though I'm not sure how many of those differences might be due to different translators choosing different words to express similar concepts.

Independent of all this, one problem with mutual intelligibility is that it might well depend, in some cases, on whether people are speaking hastily or slowly and carefully.

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:18 pm
by Otto Kretschmer
Zulu and Xhosa are certainly very similar, like German and Dutch or even Swedish and Norwegian.

Zulu and Sotho are further away, like German and Icelandic.

Swahili is gibberish for Zulu speakers. It's like listening to Russian.

At least that's how things look like for Southern Bantu speakers

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:39 pm
by Creyeditor
If you are looking for closely related languages in contact you could look at Nguni languages in more detail.

Also, for me as a German, spoken Icelandic is gibberish.

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:23 pm
by Raphael
Creyeditor wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:39 pm Also, for me as a German, spoken Icelandic is gibberish.
Same.

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:23 pm
by Otto Kretschmer
Creyeditor wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:39 pm If you are looking for closely related languages in contact you could look at Nguni languages in more detail.

Also, for me as a German, spoken Icelandic is gibberish.
The eastern Bantu languages do share more cognates since they are from a more recent wave of migration

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:19 pm
by hwhatting
zompist wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:44 pm Swahili (Zone G)
Baba Yetu uliye mbinguni, Jina lako litukuzwe;
Ufalme wako ufike,
Utakalo lifanyike
Duniani kama mbinguni.
Utupe leo mkate wetu wa kila siku,
Utusamehe makosa yetu,
Kama nasi tunavyowasamehe waliotukosea.
Usitutie katika kishawishi,
Lakini utuopoe maovuni.
Oh, that's what the song is about..

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:55 pm
by zompist
hwhatting wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:19 pm Oh, that's what the song is about..
I assume you're referring to the song in Civilization 4, by Christopher Tin? Yes, it's the Lord's Prayer, but the wording Tin uses is different and can be found here.