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I remember someone saying that it was. They said that it is better to create bridges rather than walls between the different varieties of English. Noah Webster created a wall between American and Commonwealth English.

Probably the only challenging spelling for Americans is manoeuvre. Otherwise I can safely say that Americans have no trouble with -re, -our, or even -ae- spellings. I don't see where the alleged wall is.

Yeah, all of the changes were pretty superficial. The only British-American spelling difference that's ever caused me trouble is draught. I went years not realizing it was the same as draft, thinking it was pronounced the same as drought.

I can't imagine anyone objecting to Webster Reformed Spelling on the grounds that it is difficult to comprehend. Presumably the issue some people take with it is its nationalist symbolism. Since Webster was in good company at the time, with numerous proposed spelling reforms buzzing around the English speaking world and in other countries, I think his image as a jingoist is simply the curse of success. I don't think anyone is mourning the extra passengers on the word "plow," or weeping on the tiny two-part gravestones of all the ligatures forced onto unconsenting words by the Graecophiles.

That said, I do appreciate the historical spelling of English, and I cringe at modern-day Websterites who brought us "tonite" and "lite yogurt." Spelling reform should only take place in the remote past from now on.

missals wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:02 pm Yeah, all of the changes were pretty superficial. The only British-American spelling difference that's ever caused me trouble is draught. I went years not realizing it was the same as draft, thinking it was pronounced the same as drought.

Ah, yes, that's another one, though I pronounced it to rhyme with ought before learning better.

There's also "hiccough" and "gaol". However these spellings are usually considered old fashioned these days even in Commonwealth English.

I never liked the spelling hiccough—it's a spelling based on a false etymology that gives it a counter-intuitive pronunciation. (Rant: Tell me ONE other word in the world that has <gh> pronounced /p/. And by "in the world", I mean non-English words count, too.) Draught and gaol can trip us Americans up, too, but other than those, I don't think there are any major barriers in being able to read texts from the other side of the pond.

Barriers between American and British standards are more likely to be lexical, I find. For the longest time I (American) didn't know whether "knackered" meant hungry, angry, or tired.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/gaol

Pabappa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:31 pm https://www.etymonline.com/word/gaol

Of course it was a bad idea! It's caused the whole of the US to spell lots of words wrongly, which is very irritating to read...

Yalensky wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:50 pmBarriers between American and British standards are more likely to be lexical, I find. For the longest time I (American) didn't know whether "knackered" meant hungry, angry, or tired.

Pro-tip: a waste facility (vulgo "dump") is known in dear old Blighty as a "tip".

Salmoneus wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:56 am Of course it was a bad idea! It's caused the whole of the US to spell lots of words correctly, which is very irritating to read...

Fixed it for you.

Besides, the only reason British spellings remain relevant in the largely homogenized English speaking world is their prevalence in major population centers such as India, the eastern African countries, and parts of South America.

Also, not to put too fine a point on it, but Webster was not the progenitor of these differences... most (almost all) of them already existed, he simply made a decision about which version(s) to standardize for American use.

Pabappa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:31 pm https://www.etymonline.com/word/gaol

I want to laugh at this:

see jail (n.), you tea-sodden football hooligan.

masako wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:57 am

Salmoneus wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:56 amOf course it was a bad idea! It's caused the whole of the US to spell lots of words correctly, which is very irritating to read...

Fixed it for you.

Besides, the only reason British spellings remain relevant in the largely homogenized English speaking world is their prevalence in major population centers such as India, the eastern African countries, and parts of South America.

American spellings are the odd ones out. British spellings are also used in Australia and New Zealand (and South Africa and Singapore...).

(Canada exists in a bit of a limbo position, using British spellings for Latinate affixes but American spellings for Greek stems and affixes... We also write "grey" and "cheque", but "tire" and "annex".)

Ser wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:25 pm

masako wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:57 am

Salmoneus wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:56 amOf course it was a bad idea! It's caused the whole of the US to spell lots of words correctly, which is very irritating to read...

Fixed it for you.

Besides, the only reason British spellings remain relevant in the largely homogenized English speaking world is their prevalence in major population centers such as India, the eastern African countries, and parts of South America.

American spellings are the odd ones out. British spellings are also used in Australia and New Zealand (and South Africa and Singapore...).

(Canada exists in a bit of a limbo position, using British spellings for Latinate affixes but American spellings for Greek stems and affixes... We also write "grey" and "cheque", but "tire" and "annex".)

I'm American but also write "grey" and "cheque." Gray is just obscenely ugly.

Ser wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:25 pm American spellings are the odd ones out. British spellings are also used in Australia and New Zealand (and South Africa and Singapore...).

Note to self: Don't assume that Ser will pick up on obstinate humor.

We can do better.

"Color, colour" "kuller"
"favor, favour" "faver"
"Neighbor, neighbour" "naber"
"Acre" "aker"
"Liter, litre" "leeter"

masako wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:39 pm

Ser wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:25 pmAmerican spellings are the odd ones out. British spellings are also used in Australia and New Zealand (and South Africa and Singapore...).

Note to self: Don't assume that Ser will pick up on obstinate humor.

That's not a bad thing to do.

Zaarin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:43 pm Gray is just obscenely ugly.

May, day, bay, lay, play, say, ray, way...etc

Those must be hideous, huh.