Zompist Bboard Again

I created another web toy: a phonology builder.

You can use it to create categories for gen or SCA2; it will also output HTML tables or ZZB BBCode tables.

I had to zoom out to get the table to make sense — the rows get broken up into multiples. Which is fine, I realise not everyone is plugging their computer into a TV screen, and using it from the couch .

More seriously, in the default setting, you have a typo in the first row. I'm pretty sure they're not labials (which the first column is, they look like plosives.

Ryan of Tinellb wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:40 amMore seriously, in the default setting, you have a typo in the first row. I'm pretty sure they're not labials (which the first column is, they look like plosives.

Thanks, should be fixed.

It's awesome.

But you've given me yet another thing to procrastinate with...

Testing.... Very, very cool!

1 suggestion: what about an additional row for clicks? I realize we can change the row names, but 1 of my conlangs would take all of the currently available rows + 1 for clicks as well.

Vardelm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:12 am Testing....

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Consonants

	Labials	Dentals	Retroflex	Palatals	Velars	Uvular	Glottal
Plosives	b	d			g		ʔ
Fricatives	f v	s z ʃ ʒ			x ɣ		h
Affricates		ʣ
Nasals	m	n			ŋ
Approximants		l r				ʀ
Semivowels				j

Vowels

	Front	Central	Back
High	i y	ʉ	u
Close			o
Open	ɛ
Low	æ		ɑ

Very, very cool!

1 suggestion: what about an additional row for clicks? I realize we can change the row names, but 1 of my conlangs would take all of the currently available rows + 1 for clicks as well.

I believe a whole non-pulmonics table would be a better idea than just clicks.

yangfiretiger121 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:59 amI believe a whole non-pulmonics table would be a better idea than just clicks

Even better!

Vardelm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:12 am What about an additional row for clicks? I realize we can change the row names, but 1 of my conlangs would take all of the currently available rows + 1 for clicks as well.

I learned javascript when I needed to adapt the sca to my own needs. You could do the same with this. Alternatively, follow zompist's suggestion in the how-to, and simply do the rows separately.

You may want to redo the coronals so that all post-alveolars are in one column as you have [ʃ ʒ š ž] with the dentals and alveolars, which may confuse some. Yes, the IPA separates post-alveolars and retroflexes, but they're all, technically, post-alveolars.

I just tried it out. Very good because I had no idea how to make tables and now I do ... or at least some idea. Nice work!

It very nicely ignored the extra empty row in the vowel chart, but it didn't ignore the extra empty column in the consonant chart. (Yes, I know I could manually go through and delete the empty cells.) Also, separating all the characters within each cell was pretty unexpected ... the ejective symbol is separated, affricates have been awkwardly ripped apart and brackets have been pulled out. I wanted to include allophones in brackets just to see what it looked like. Can you maybe turn off the adding spaces? I.e. if we have /p/ and /b/, we should write "p b" there and not "pb". Would that also work?

Consonants

	Bilabial	Labiodental	Alveolar	Palatal	Velar	Glottal
Nasal	m		n	( ɲ )	ŋ
Plosive	b		t	( t ͡ s ~ t ͡ ɕ )	k	ʔ
Ejective			t ʼ	( t ͡ s ʼ )	k ʼ
Fricative		v	s z	ʃ ʒ		h
Tap			ɾ	( d ͡ z ~ d ͡ ʑ )
Lateral			l

Vowels

	Front	Central	Back
High	i		u
Mid	e		o
Low		a

That's a good idea, I'll probably add a checkbox.

Checkbox added.

Sorry for the newbie question, but why does the consonant grid have different labels than the ones used in the LCK? The LCK has the levels of obstruction as labial, labiodental, dental, alveolar, palato-alveolar, palatal, velar, uvular, and glottal, while phono has them as labial, dental, retroflex, palatal, velar, uvular, and glottal. The LCK has the degrees of closure as plosives, fricatives, affricates, and approximants, while phono has them as plosives, fricatives, affricates, nasals, liquid, and semivowels.

For the points of articulation, it's because I didn't want to create loads of extra columns, when languages almost always use just a subset.

As for "semivowels", it's just habit.

zompist wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:58 pm For the points of articulation, it's because I didn't want to create loads of extra columns, when languages almost always use just a subset.

As for "semivowels", it's just habit.

Ah, thank you!

I think there's a bug in your S/Z categories: when you take the default set, voiceless stops pattern with voiced fricatives/affricates, and vice versa.