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/ˌnɐ.ˈɾɛn.dɚ.ˌduːd/ wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2026 12:05 pm I must admit that I have attempted understanding and reading the poems to myself, and I can say that it certainly is pleasing to the ear. good work!

Thank you!

I've gotten busy with other writing and haven't done much on Heláin for a while. But I will come back to it sooner or later.

rotting bones wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2026 2:30 am I liked reading this. Thanks for posting.

Thanks for reading! (:

ancoráv, erannen arreaiye Abrames ellu talfinis il, tainiros: Abram, andár m’ una. tea son m’age fi medarre antalam’ adanne. seu aián Abrame: Al Arir, ñunnus so mur fiem, anire undenire, u dendarren e setelinis Eliesare Damascuside cu? u aián Abrame: ammu, ñunt so mur denithes unem; faiye tea clerit...

Als ik kristen war, skulde ik seggen "Hi is upstaan". isthent e isthenis! alleluya! stand.up-PERF ABS.M truth-OBL.F alleluia (An unplanned play on words: the noun isthén 'existence, reality, truth' comes from the verb isthen 'stand up, rise; exist'. alleluya appears to mean 'a little lu o...

I'm leaving all the many hyphens in place. I need to settle on a number for 5. For many years it was tangei , but all other plurals end in -a, so I altered it to tanga , forgetting that tanga already meant 'symbol, glyph' (< tag 'be arranged; mean'). I know some homonyms are naturalistic but I think...

I'm editing my reference grammar to print (not publish, just put onto normal printer-paper in a binder for personal use) and can't decide when to use hyphens. Which seems better? The suffixes -éid, -éin, -éis, -éiv (Old Heláin -idi*, -ini*, -ise*, -ive* ) have -i- rather than -ei- in their stem. If ...

I think I'll leave <tr> for now -- my lexicon is organised by Old Heláin roots so it makes sense to use the spelling that better reflects the OH here -- but will keep in mind that I might want to change it later.

The explanation for <tr> is that almost every <tr> or <tl> (however I decide to romanise it) etymologically comes from an Old Heláin <r> -- the only one that might not is <tras> (<tlas>?), perhaps from PH *stælas (I'm not sure what the OH was).

Since romanisation has come up ... I mentioned weirdness with <l> early on. The blends t + l/r are realised as /tɬ/, but I've romanised it as <tr> to make it look less alien. Should I just use <tl>? It's somewhat rare; I don't think it shows up in either poem that I've posted here, for instance. Loo...

I think I've now been convinced to use <nc ng> instead of <ŋc ŋg>. I use <th dh> because they're easier to type and read than <þ ð> (anyone who doesn't know that <dh> = voiced <th> can still slaughter it to get something in the dental/alveolar area). I like <c> (and <cw>) and have no plans to change...

The only minor thing which throws me off is the use of ⟨c⟩, which I instinctively read as some kind of palatal — especially since you also use ⟨ŋ⟩, which of course comes straight from IPA. I’d suggest either changing ⟨c⟩ to ⟨k⟩, or lean into the European-ness by substituting ⟨n(g)⟩ for /ŋ/ and poss...

I find both the language and the poetry very beautiful. eladaiye! thank-INF.ABS Thanks! (editing to add) One of my goals is to make the language beautiful to me, so it makes me happy when other people find it beautiful, too. I think my favourite bit from this poem is l. 2, aistwín mur, allún mur, a...

Teigla Sig Let the Spheres Glorify teiglad sig e ’lv’ adhaid elfis il alle dette: aistwín mur, allún mur, annuneru, ecra cwarin, seim, ava, teler, siurr’ artalama; cleisaman mu, iscamm mu seir iŋ eve, cussenad annimirtha. sky be.glorified.IMP ABS.M whole-VOC praise-OBL.PL kind-OBL.F LOC.F god-ABS.M...

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Thu Feb 26, 2026 5:30 am I'm chiming in late, and don't have much to say, except that it looks good. I love diachronic conlanging like this.

Thanks for commenting! I'm starting fifteen years late on the proto-lang so it's a bit hard to get it all to work with the developed lexicon.

Three probably-related roots: *tʰæ, *tʰæn, *tʰæs *stʰæ > tea ‘be’ *tʰæn > then ‘stand’ *stʰænr > ter ‘doorway’ *stʰin > tein ‘end, stop’ *stʰini-*ti/tʰi ‘boundary-marker?’ > tindi ‘string’ (I don't yet have a proto-word *ti or *tʰi) *tʰæs > thes ‘lie’ *øtʰæs > des ‘crouch’ *stʰæs > tes ‘sit’ *stʰæs ...

More Proto-Heláin. (Now ø = disappearing mystery vowel.) *pʰan *pʰanr > far ‘be attended, be obeyed’ *øpʰanr > var ‘be conquered’ *pʰæn > fen ‘come’ *øpʰæn > ven ‘turn; happen’ *pʰin > fin ‘be seen’ = ‘come into view’ Unrelated *øpar > bar ‘be held’, as well as maybe brec 'fruit, grape' (through a d...

I'm trying to understand the gloss in the first post, and I'm confused by the lowercase a, as in a.ABS.F. I couldn't figure out how it fits as the English word 'a, an', nor as 'agent-like argument of canonical transitive verb'. What does it mean? It's a pronoun/determiner with minimal lexical infor...

I'm trying to understand the gloss in the first post, and I'm confused by the lowercase a, as in a.ABS.F. I couldn't figure out how it fits as the English word 'a, an', nor as 'agent-like argument of canonical transitive verb'. What does it mean? It's a pronoun/determiner with minimal lexical infor...

All right, I think I've worked out my b/v problem. Here are the sound changes, with commentary. (Note that these get us from Proto-Heláin to Old Heláin; there are a few more changes from OH to Liturgical Heláin, but I do those by hand.) Categories (I'm not sure all these letters actually show up): V...

I’d be very interested to see the sound changes for this thing. I'll post them after I've sorted a problem with b and v that I found today... Perhaps you could use - for affixes and = for compounds? For disappearing, unreconstructable vowels, I think ‘V’ is the most sensible choice. I thought about...