Or maybe /ɬ d/ have allophones [l ɾ] in some positions, so that foreign liquids can get imported as /ɬ d/...?
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This is a good idea - I'm not sure where Rau is spoken yet, but it's probably on the mainland near Amqolic, to which it has some phonological resemblance, and interchange between liquids and plosives is common in that region: Rengni and Narng d > l (followed in Rengni by s z > θ ð > t~f d, j > z, ts dz > s z), Amqoli ɗ > r and j w > ʒ b, Kangshi b d > β ɾ intervocalically, Amqoli b d g > β ð ɣ / V_ P_ (but maybe d should > ɾ instead?)
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Re: The Allosphere
There are probably dialects of Kangshi that split *b d => ɓ ɗ (from Cb Cd clusters); => β ɾ everywhere else
But anyway, let's talk about conjugation. Amqolic having a single, fusional polypersonal verb prefix is a funny coincidence -- because so did Proto-Kaam-Yerte. In Ubghuuic the agreement calcifies and becomes a marker of egophoricity -- the egophoric transitive ʔdzi- is etymologically 1s>3s; the allophoric transitive ʔgi- is similarly historically a 3s>3s prefix.
This raises the possibility that this is another DEEP AREAL FEATURE. The problem, of course, is that Kangshuic conforms not at all to this pattern. Kangshi proper, for instance, mostly has agreement prefixes, but it also has one suffix and one tone change as an agreement marker; furthermore, while the realization of the individual person morphemes can be opaque, the combination is always analytic. So how did this happen?
In Proto-Kangshuic, verbs did only have a single agreement slot in the manner of Amqoli, but with third person being always unmarked -- the third-person object affix that existed in Proto-Qoic became vowel glottalization in Proto-Kangshuic and so stopped being productive, marking transitivization in certain verb pairs instead. A syntactic innovation of Proto-Kangshuic was the development of a set of classifier words that obligatorily accompanied each noun phrase. Since these classifiers were originally bleached demonstratives, they occurred in different positions depending on the role of the noun phrase they accompanied; in particular, since Proto-Qoic was SOV, they always preceded relativized verbs. At some point, "classifier incorporation" became an acceptable way of marking third-person objects, and the inherited system started decaying in various ways, usually because of phonological changes resulting in the loss of certain affixes.
The result is that each Kangshuic language essentially has a different hodgepodge of verbal agreement affixes, as well as wildly differing TAM systems, owing to the fact that some languages experienced an Ergative split, with intransitive/imperfective/non-past (depending on language) verbs retaining the old system, and the others switching to morphology originating in verbal nominalizations.
Eahswa is not such a language! But its system is nonetheless interesting:
The object affixes are used both for transitive verbs with a 3rd subject (which is zero-marked) as well as intransitive verbs where the S is a semantic O. Class markers, in general, precede all other agreement affixes except in 1p>3 and 2p>3 scenarios, where they occur between the plural prefix and the person prefix: ¹dǎ-¹mu-¹rǎ-¹go-¹ʔaǎh, "we killed them".
Unlike basically every other Kangshuic language, Eahswa also allows 3O prefixes to cooccur with portmanteau prefixes: ⁷the-⁸ngä-⁴pǎ, "we are giving it to you" (with consonant mutation from the final -s). However, such morphological ditransitives aren't possible when both the direct and indirect object are non-SAPs; in this case a serial verb construction must be used.
But anyway, let's talk about conjugation. Amqolic having a single, fusional polypersonal verb prefix is a funny coincidence -- because so did Proto-Kaam-Yerte. In Ubghuuic the agreement calcifies and becomes a marker of egophoricity -- the egophoric transitive ʔdzi- is etymologically 1s>3s; the allophoric transitive ʔgi- is similarly historically a 3s>3s prefix.
This raises the possibility that this is another DEEP AREAL FEATURE. The problem, of course, is that Kangshuic conforms not at all to this pattern. Kangshi proper, for instance, mostly has agreement prefixes, but it also has one suffix and one tone change as an agreement marker; furthermore, while the realization of the individual person morphemes can be opaque, the combination is always analytic. So how did this happen?
In Proto-Kangshuic, verbs did only have a single agreement slot in the manner of Amqoli, but with third person being always unmarked -- the third-person object affix that existed in Proto-Qoic became vowel glottalization in Proto-Kangshuic and so stopped being productive, marking transitivization in certain verb pairs instead. A syntactic innovation of Proto-Kangshuic was the development of a set of classifier words that obligatorily accompanied each noun phrase. Since these classifiers were originally bleached demonstratives, they occurred in different positions depending on the role of the noun phrase they accompanied; in particular, since Proto-Qoic was SOV, they always preceded relativized verbs. At some point, "classifier incorporation" became an acceptable way of marking third-person objects, and the inherited system started decaying in various ways, usually because of phonological changes resulting in the loss of certain affixes.
The result is that each Kangshuic language essentially has a different hodgepodge of verbal agreement affixes, as well as wildly differing TAM systems, owing to the fact that some languages experienced an Ergative split, with intransitive/imperfective/non-past (depending on language) verbs retaining the old system, and the others switching to morphology originating in verbal nominalizations.
Eahswa is not such a language! But its system is nonetheless interesting:
PERSON | AFFIX |
1sO | V-¹(⁶ng)aǎ |
2sO | ⁸phei-V |
1pO | ¹mu-V-¹(⁶ng)aǎ |
2pO | ¹sei-V |
1sA | ¹go-V |
2sA | ⁸phei-V |
1pA | ¹mu-¹go-V |
2pA | ¹mu-⁸phei-V |
1s>2s | ¹gös-V |
1s>2p | ¹pǎ-V |
2s>1s | ¹ko-V |
2s>1p | ⁹sei-V |
1p>2s | ⁸ngäs-V |
1p>2p | ¹sei-V |
2p>1s | ⁸phaă-V |
2p>1p | ¹pǎ-V |
Unlike basically every other Kangshuic language, Eahswa also allows 3O prefixes to cooccur with portmanteau prefixes: ⁷the-⁸ngä-⁴pǎ, "we are giving it to you" (with consonant mutation from the final -s). However, such morphological ditransitives aren't possible when both the direct and indirect object are non-SAPs; in this case a serial verb construction must be used.
Mbtrtcgf qxah bdej bkska kidabh n ñstbwdj spa.
Ogñwdf n spa bdej bruoh kiñabh ñbtzmieb n qxah.
Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf.
Ogñwdf n spa bdej bruoh kiñabh ñbtzmieb n qxah.
Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf.
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Re: The Allosphere
H13: The Amqolic verb prefix isn't polypersonal. There's only one role that's marked; the question is which role it marks.
It occurs to me that I should probably explain the Amqoli noun class system. There are three noun classes, 'standing', 'sitting', and 'lying down', abbreviated T, S, and L. These are to some extent semantic rather than lexical; as the old joke went about I forget which language, a penis is conventionally S, but an erect penis could be described as T.
In Amqoli, these noun classes have become somewhat more semantic than in the other Amqolic languages; the L class in particular has been extended for derogatory use, and some nouns that in Proto-Amqolic were in L have been moved to T or S.
(For a while I thought it would be a good idea to have this extended to the point of being completely semantic, and have ways to shift the personal pronouns etc. between the different classes, but I have since decided that that's stupid.)
On top of this, there is mostly-natural gender. All animate nouns are either masculine or feminine. This isn't relevant to adjectival agreement, but it is relevant to verbal agreement and pronoun selection.
Maybe, to make up for the lack of a 2/3 verbal contrast, there should be some sort of speech-act-participant marker (1/2 vs. 3). But I'm not sure how to derive that.
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Egophoricity is, possibly, another areal feature, existing also in Hlu (although allophoricity is unmarked) - and in Hlu, it blocks person agreement, with the result that 1SG agreement only appears in questions or involuntary actions.
It occurs to me that I should probably explain the Amqoli noun class system. There are three noun classes, 'standing', 'sitting', and 'lying down', abbreviated T, S, and L. These are to some extent semantic rather than lexical; as the old joke went about I forget which language, a penis is conventionally S, but an erect penis could be described as T.
In Amqoli, these noun classes have become somewhat more semantic than in the other Amqolic languages; the L class in particular has been extended for derogatory use, and some nouns that in Proto-Amqolic were in L have been moved to T or S.
(For a while I thought it would be a good idea to have this extended to the point of being completely semantic, and have ways to shift the personal pronouns etc. between the different classes, but I have since decided that that's stupid.)
On top of this, there is mostly-natural gender. All animate nouns are either masculine or feminine. This isn't relevant to adjectival agreement, but it is relevant to verbal agreement and pronoun selection.
Maybe, to make up for the lack of a 2/3 verbal contrast, there should be some sort of speech-act-participant marker (1/2 vs. 3). But I'm not sure how to derive that.
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Egophoricity is, possibly, another areal feature, existing also in Hlu (although allophoricity is unmarked) - and in Hlu, it blocks person agreement, with the result that 1SG agreement only appears in questions or involuntary actions.
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So! Amqoli noun classes and genders.
Noun classes, of course, govern verbal agreement:
bgul phrus tqare
the man (T) eats jerky
chegi phrus mqare
the mouse (S) eats jerky
ndrya phrus tuqare
the dog (L) eats jerky
They also govern adjectival agreement, but for adjectives the affixes are slightly different:
dgemgera bgul / damoq bgul / tsxug bgul
the green man / the fat man / the annoying man
lgemgera chegi / ndamoq chegi / ntsxug chegi
the green mouse / the fat mouse / the annoying mouse
jgemgera ndrya / jdamoq ndrya / chotsxug ndrya
the green dog / the fat dog / the annoying dog
There are three adjectival declensions, which we'll call K, T, and H. K-declension adjectives mostly begin with a non-coronal, non-aspirate consonant; T-declension adjectives mostly begin with a coronal consonant; and H-declension adjectives mostly begin with an aspirate. However, due to cluster reduction and aspirate dissimilation, these categories are not entirely reliable. Note that voicing assimilation is regressive, so ch-gemgera > jgemgera.
Natural genders, on the other hand, govern pronoun selection. This works pretty much as in English, except all animates take a gender. Masculine is the default. One irregularity, however, is that inanimate T-class nouns always take lu, which is otherwise the masculine.
bgul gemgera -> lu gemgera
the man (TM) is green -> he is green
bozhgat gemgera -> bo gemgera
the mare (TF) is green -> she is green
chxem gemgera -> lu gemgera
the tree (TI) is green -> he is green (!)
chegi gemgera -> lu gemgera
the mouse (SM) is green -> he is green
chxo gemgera -> zda gemgera
the table (SI) is green -> it is green
ndrya gemgera -> lu gemgera
the dog (LM) is green -> he is green
obzh gemgera -> zda gemgera
the swamp (LI) is green -> it is green
Noun classes, of course, govern verbal agreement:
bgul phrus tqare
the man (T) eats jerky
chegi phrus mqare
the mouse (S) eats jerky
ndrya phrus tuqare
the dog (L) eats jerky
They also govern adjectival agreement, but for adjectives the affixes are slightly different:
dgemgera bgul / damoq bgul / tsxug bgul
the green man / the fat man / the annoying man
lgemgera chegi / ndamoq chegi / ntsxug chegi
the green mouse / the fat mouse / the annoying mouse
jgemgera ndrya / jdamoq ndrya / chotsxug ndrya
the green dog / the fat dog / the annoying dog
There are three adjectival declensions, which we'll call K, T, and H. K-declension adjectives mostly begin with a non-coronal, non-aspirate consonant; T-declension adjectives mostly begin with a coronal consonant; and H-declension adjectives mostly begin with an aspirate. However, due to cluster reduction and aspirate dissimilation, these categories are not entirely reliable. Note that voicing assimilation is regressive, so ch-gemgera > jgemgera.
Natural genders, on the other hand, govern pronoun selection. This works pretty much as in English, except all animates take a gender. Masculine is the default. One irregularity, however, is that inanimate T-class nouns always take lu, which is otherwise the masculine.
bgul gemgera -> lu gemgera
the man (TM) is green -> he is green
bozhgat gemgera -> bo gemgera
the mare (TF) is green -> she is green
chxem gemgera -> lu gemgera
the tree (TI) is green -> he is green (!)
chegi gemgera -> lu gemgera
the mouse (SM) is green -> he is green
chxo gemgera -> zda gemgera
the table (SI) is green -> it is green
ndrya gemgera -> lu gemgera
the dog (LM) is green -> he is green
obzh gemgera -> zda gemgera
the swamp (LI) is green -> it is green
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v low quality draft map
this (excluding Whatic) is about the area of Vietnam + Laos + Cambodia + Thailand. I don't understand climatology yet but the coastal parts are probably like the Mid-Atlantic, although this is in the southern hemisphere so it'd be swampier up north.
Vengic isn't that much deeper than Romance, but cognates are obscured by compression - imagine Romance if everything was like French and every dialect area of late Vulgar Latin had a different stress system. Zotic + Narngic probably form a subfamily.
black is land (maybe Kangshuic? Whatic looks like it has a Kangshuic substrate), blue is sea. there are probably some Hathic relict areas; haven't mapped those yet.
this (excluding Whatic) is about the area of Vietnam + Laos + Cambodia + Thailand. I don't understand climatology yet but the coastal parts are probably like the Mid-Atlantic, although this is in the southern hemisphere so it'd be swampier up north.
Vengic isn't that much deeper than Romance, but cognates are obscured by compression - imagine Romance if everything was like French and every dialect area of late Vulgar Latin had a different stress system. Zotic + Narngic probably form a subfamily.
black is land (maybe Kangshuic? Whatic looks like it has a Kangshuic substrate), blue is sea. there are probably some Hathic relict areas; haven't mapped those yet.
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Re: The Allosphere
I have been Officially Recruited for continued development of the Allosphere.
Some of you may be wondering what the Allosphere's astronomical situation looks like. The details are still being debated, but Allosphere is a bit larger than Earth (radius 7100 km) and has a year about one and a half times as long as Earth's, with a day about an hour longer than Earth's. There are two moons, which transit fairly regularly (being in the same orbital plane); it hasn't been entirely worked out how large they are, nor how often the transits will be.
Allosun is approximately 10% larger than the sun, but a little smaller in the sky because Allosphere is farther away; nevertheless, our models (which amount to "run it in Universe Sandbox and see what number it spits out lol") suggest an average surface temperature of about 14 C, a tiny bit cooler than preindustrial Earth. There are a number of rocky planets closer to the sun than Allosphere, and at least two gas giants (probably (?) more). Some of these probably have moons, but since none of them are likely to be detectable before the invention of the telescope, we have not worried overly much about them.
There are two companion stars which we have titled Proximus and Procula until we can get better names for them, both appearing as bright red pinpricks in the sky. Proximus orbits (more precisely Allosun and Proximus orbit each *other*, or a point about halfway between them) at about 37.5 AU (for comparison, Neptune orbits the Sun at about 30 AU). It is a red dwarf about 130 times as massive as Jupiter and likely has a few (undetectable) planets of its own. Because its orbital period is fairly short (only about two Earth centuries), it should be clear from time immemorial that it is a planet, in the Aristotelian sense (a heavenly body that is not a fixed star).
Procula orbits Allosun and Procula at an average distance of about 126 AU; it is a bit heavier and more luminous (though not brighter, because further away) than Proximus. Its orbital period is about 1260 earth years, so hunter-gatherers are unlikely to realize that it's a planet (...maybe, though? It would take about three and a half Earth years or just over two Allospherian years for it to move one degree in the sky, so probably, yes--it would move about 20 degrees over the course of a fairly long premodern lifetime, and would not be in the same constellations at the end of somebody's life as it was at the beginning), but early civilizations making astronomical records over decades will. Like Proximus, it probably has a few planets, but these are not detectable until the invention of rather complicated telescopes or other gadgets and are broadly irrelevent.
Thank you, that will be all. The attached image is a non-canonical work-in-progress.
Some of you may be wondering what the Allosphere's astronomical situation looks like. The details are still being debated, but Allosphere is a bit larger than Earth (radius 7100 km) and has a year about one and a half times as long as Earth's, with a day about an hour longer than Earth's. There are two moons, which transit fairly regularly (being in the same orbital plane); it hasn't been entirely worked out how large they are, nor how often the transits will be.
Allosun is approximately 10% larger than the sun, but a little smaller in the sky because Allosphere is farther away; nevertheless, our models (which amount to "run it in Universe Sandbox and see what number it spits out lol") suggest an average surface temperature of about 14 C, a tiny bit cooler than preindustrial Earth. There are a number of rocky planets closer to the sun than Allosphere, and at least two gas giants (probably (?) more). Some of these probably have moons, but since none of them are likely to be detectable before the invention of the telescope, we have not worried overly much about them.
There are two companion stars which we have titled Proximus and Procula until we can get better names for them, both appearing as bright red pinpricks in the sky. Proximus orbits (more precisely Allosun and Proximus orbit each *other*, or a point about halfway between them) at about 37.5 AU (for comparison, Neptune orbits the Sun at about 30 AU). It is a red dwarf about 130 times as massive as Jupiter and likely has a few (undetectable) planets of its own. Because its orbital period is fairly short (only about two Earth centuries), it should be clear from time immemorial that it is a planet, in the Aristotelian sense (a heavenly body that is not a fixed star).
Procula orbits Allosun and Procula at an average distance of about 126 AU; it is a bit heavier and more luminous (though not brighter, because further away) than Proximus. Its orbital period is about 1260 earth years, so hunter-gatherers are unlikely to realize that it's a planet (...maybe, though? It would take about three and a half Earth years or just over two Allospherian years for it to move one degree in the sky, so probably, yes--it would move about 20 degrees over the course of a fairly long premodern lifetime, and would not be in the same constellations at the end of somebody's life as it was at the beginning), but early civilizations making astronomical records over decades will. Like Proximus, it probably has a few planets, but these are not detectable until the invention of rather complicated telescopes or other gadgets and are broadly irrelevent.
Thank you, that will be all. The attached image is a non-canonical work-in-progress.
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expansion
Hathic expands first - to Hathenai and along the Ketas Archipelago onto the mainland, where they settle the coastline, round the Zhjumna, and get into the ?desert.
Tsiic, which may or may not form a macrofamily with Hathic (probably not due to grammatical differences, but the phonologies are similar) expands from elsewhere in Tsalaysia, relatively recently, displacing Kaam-Yerte and (if Cuhbi is Tsiic) older Tsiic.
Kaam-Yerte is indigenous to Tsalaysia, didn't do much, and wasn't in the Hathic-Tsiic sprachbund. If it expanded from the mainland, it probably got there from Narngia rather than Ketas.
Kangshuic is in the northern Zhjumna (which should probably have a Kangshi name...?) and expands in some direction or other at some point in time.
Vengic ends up partially in Kangshuic territory but otherwise does a Vietic and crawls up from Cornwall to eat the coastline, completely displacing everything else in Narngia.
In recent historical times, the Rau (with backing from the Tsi Empire) invaded Narngia, tried to push further into the swamp, and were beaten back into the ?desert by a primarily Ziwanic army, leading to the imposition of Ziwan as a lingua franca across the Swamp Continent, although whatever was previously the prestige language of Narngia (Kangshuic unless they're sufficiently mercantile to not go in for prestige languages) probably sticks around as a classical language for a while.
The layout of Tsalaysia still needs to be fixed but the basics shouldn't be affected too much by that.
Hathic expands first - to Hathenai and along the Ketas Archipelago onto the mainland, where they settle the coastline, round the Zhjumna, and get into the ?desert.
Tsiic, which may or may not form a macrofamily with Hathic (probably not due to grammatical differences, but the phonologies are similar) expands from elsewhere in Tsalaysia, relatively recently, displacing Kaam-Yerte and (if Cuhbi is Tsiic) older Tsiic.
Kaam-Yerte is indigenous to Tsalaysia, didn't do much, and wasn't in the Hathic-Tsiic sprachbund. If it expanded from the mainland, it probably got there from Narngia rather than Ketas.
Kangshuic is in the northern Zhjumna (which should probably have a Kangshi name...?) and expands in some direction or other at some point in time.
Vengic ends up partially in Kangshuic territory but otherwise does a Vietic and crawls up from Cornwall to eat the coastline, completely displacing everything else in Narngia.
In recent historical times, the Rau (with backing from the Tsi Empire) invaded Narngia, tried to push further into the swamp, and were beaten back into the ?desert by a primarily Ziwanic army, leading to the imposition of Ziwan as a lingua franca across the Swamp Continent, although whatever was previously the prestige language of Narngia (Kangshuic unless they're sufficiently mercantile to not go in for prestige languages) probably sticks around as a classical language for a while.
The layout of Tsalaysia still needs to be fixed but the basics shouldn't be affected too much by that.
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Re: The Allosphere
after reading about Aghem I have decided that there should be a dialect of Zzyxwqnp where the characteristic Swamp-Cornwallish vowel raising happens twice, so ja wa > e o, e o > i u, i u > z= v=, and then z= v= > z@ v@
Kuntqx jje chip yutrqn kqtye chaxmq yep yattznt.
Jjotryp yep yattznt tq kqtye pexjje Kuntqx.
Chatvx. Chatvx. Chatvx. Chatvx. Chatvx. Chatvx. Chatvx.
kv̩ʷto ⁿdʑi tɕʑ̩ jv̩ʷtʂõ koji tɕemo ji jetɨ̃
ⁿdʑutʂɘ ji jetɨ̃ to koji piⁿdʑi kṽ̩ʷto
tɕetfɘ tɕetfɘ tɕetfɘ tɕetfɘ tɕetfɘ tɕetfɘ tɕetfɘ
presumably further developments would lead to full CCV syllable structure and/or redevelopment of coda clusters. Zzyxwqnp has (should have) a Mandarinoid disyllabicity constraint (which could be violated in certain environments... maybe noun incorporation? or a large class of pronouns/determiners?), so common root extensions could collapse and condition some things
standard Mandarin uses diminutives a lot, right? hm
pfot ⁿdʑi tɕa bjotʂompfi tɕembvi jətəŋ
ⁿdʑutʂai ji jətəŋ topfi piⁿdʑi pfot
tɕepfa tɕepfa tɕepfa tɕepfa tɕepfa tɕepfa tɕepfa
wun-mwan tywe-wen-chi ywe-te tya ddi-wan wa pu-te syi u twa. ga-ten tywe-ti wa ge-ge tyi ya-ga ddye kwu-ha wu he-chi kye mun na gwu-gwa ke
v̩ʷ.mõ tɕu.wũ.tɕə ju.tɨ tɕe ⁿdzə.wõ wo pv̩ʷ.tɨ ɕʑ̩ v̩ʷ to || ga.tɨ̃ tɕu.tɨ wo gɨ.gɨ tɕʑʷ je.ga ⁿdʑi kv̩ʷ.xa v̩ʷ xɨ.tɕə ki m̩ ⁿda gv̩ʷ.go kɨ
vɨmoŋ tɕumtɕa jutə tɕe ⁿdzoŋ wo pfɨtəɕvɨt || gatəŋ tɕut wo gəg pjə jega ⁿdʑi pfa vɨ ɨtɕa kim ⁿda bvukkɨ
(+ tones of course; presumably this is where the weird floating tone stuff would start to develop, or at least the development of a lot more tones, and then root stress -> word tone but plenty of tonal ablaut from lost near-affixal tone)
this is probably what Zzyxwqnp ends up like in the time of Enze
Kuntqx jje chip yutrqn kqtye chaxmq yep yattznt.
Jjotryp yep yattznt tq kqtye pexjje Kuntqx.
Chatvx. Chatvx. Chatvx. Chatvx. Chatvx. Chatvx. Chatvx.
kv̩ʷto ⁿdʑi tɕʑ̩ jv̩ʷtʂõ koji tɕemo ji jetɨ̃
ⁿdʑutʂɘ ji jetɨ̃ to koji piⁿdʑi kṽ̩ʷto
tɕetfɘ tɕetfɘ tɕetfɘ tɕetfɘ tɕetfɘ tɕetfɘ tɕetfɘ
presumably further developments would lead to full CCV syllable structure and/or redevelopment of coda clusters. Zzyxwqnp has (should have) a Mandarinoid disyllabicity constraint (which could be violated in certain environments... maybe noun incorporation? or a large class of pronouns/determiners?), so common root extensions could collapse and condition some things
standard Mandarin uses diminutives a lot, right? hm
pfot ⁿdʑi tɕa bjotʂompfi tɕembvi jətəŋ
ⁿdʑutʂai ji jətəŋ topfi piⁿdʑi pfot
tɕepfa tɕepfa tɕepfa tɕepfa tɕepfa tɕepfa tɕepfa
wun-mwan tywe-wen-chi ywe-te tya ddi-wan wa pu-te syi u twa. ga-ten tywe-ti wa ge-ge tyi ya-ga ddye kwu-ha wu he-chi kye mun na gwu-gwa ke
v̩ʷ.mõ tɕu.wũ.tɕə ju.tɨ tɕe ⁿdzə.wõ wo pv̩ʷ.tɨ ɕʑ̩ v̩ʷ to || ga.tɨ̃ tɕu.tɨ wo gɨ.gɨ tɕʑʷ je.ga ⁿdʑi kv̩ʷ.xa v̩ʷ xɨ.tɕə ki m̩ ⁿda gv̩ʷ.go kɨ
vɨmoŋ tɕumtɕa jutə tɕe ⁿdzoŋ wo pfɨtəɕvɨt || gatəŋ tɕut wo gəg pjə jega ⁿdʑi pfa vɨ ɨtɕa kim ⁿda bvukkɨ
(+ tones of course; presumably this is where the weird floating tone stuff would start to develop, or at least the development of a lot more tones, and then root stress -> word tone but plenty of tonal ablaut from lost near-affixal tone)
this is probably what Zzyxwqnp ends up like in the time of Enze
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Re: The Allosphere
Would you like some conlang stuff? Here is some conlang stuff.
This one is a Kànnow (you remember Kànnow, right?) translation of a Hlu fragment of the Zzyxwqnp epic that tells of the founding of Zzxzzyx. Very likely an anachronism, but it was nonetheless a handy text.
Pvpchqpye Vtsznxmqpye Zzxzzyx
Řqʼoqʼy! mypʼyyksʼòqduuwow gròłsytjaawow, małebosqʼaqʼowow,
Shquqou! Demon of the north, who laid waste to all he beheld,
Shquqou (< Rau /ʃqʌqɯ/) is simultaneously the protagonist and the main villain of the Vtsznxmqp, somewhat like Genghis Khan in the Târikh-e Jahângoshây, if the Târikh was bad poetry rather than prose. A historical figure, Shquqou was a priest of Qapi Mongkoush who assumed command over a combined Tsi and Rau army attacking the Narngic port city of Big Yeet and subsequently turned out to be both a religious fanatic and completely insane. In consequence, the relevant part of the Vtsznxmqp is mostly a long list of his war crimes interspersed with records of the sermons he delivered to the corpses. In this verse, he is introduced with the appropriate dramatism.
Linguistically, we are introduced to several specialties of Kànnow already. The word for "demon", "evil spirit" is literally "who moves through the shadows", originally possibly a taboo term, but now firmly lexicalised. Kànnow does not like overusing its possessive construction, instead producing something like "Shquqou! Demon who came from the north, who destroyed everything".
An artefact of Kànnow's morphological system is the frequency with which epithets end in -owow (a class 1 nominalization of an active verb with a class 1 agent). The preverb malʼ- in the final epithet serves as emphasis: who laid waste to all he beheld; its realization as mał- is due to the fact that except for the final element, MOA distinctions are neutralized in clusters. In this way, /h/ (when it occurs anywhere but the beginning of a word) acts as a sort of zero consonant, whose only surface realization is that it triggers cluster mechanics.
Řqʼoqʼy sgałán třpinyłr'eqnènowow, iġytktʼaaja Qʼotʼnasòo tkìmbyyja łṇàk'àksuṛġaán
Shquqou who killed myriads, he is evilest among the red spears of Katnahl.
"Killed myriads" is more explicitly specified as "myriads of men" by incorporating the word for man into the verbal complex. Note the height harmony: -rpi-nal- assimilates to -rpi-nyl-; this process goes left-to-right (with two harmony sets < e a o > vs < i y u >) and is blocked by clusters. There are morphemes that are exempt from height harmony; a prominent example is the class 5 definite marker -ija (and not *-ijy).
The superlative is constructed by adding a dative to the normally univalent middle "be evil": "he is most evil to the red spears of Katnahl" (< Rau /qʌtnas/, 'people of the qutna', a generic term for the Rau religio-cultural zone, named after a holy plant of Qapi Mongkoush).
The zero consonant nature of /h/ can be seen in the fact that it disappears between vowels. This phrase contains a particularly egregious example: |mbyh-ah-ija| being realized as mbyyja, with the vowel hiatus resolving from left to right.
Eňeew ijyņuw małġyyblaknòw, rowesenán Pʼiqįeetʼén kmaapckʼołamnòw
He transgressed sorely against great Kömthag, he reduced the great city of Big Yeet to rubble.
Eňeew (< Kett Ainabe) is a borrowed name for the supreme being in the general Antipodean cultural area; it serves here to translate Zzyxwqnp Kuntqx, the Vengic personification of Nature. "Reduce to rubble", in the Kànnow, is a zero derivation of ck'ołam, "rubble", with causative conjugation.
Kkìpʼymtaán nalén tcʼiņkàpłrytìninuw, sʼaaņusbiłc'aán ġatkuu tcʼiņkàpjandòw
He gathered barbarians and men to him, he made peasants and spears come to him
It is difficult to say now who counted as a barbarian to the original author of the Vtsznxmqp. It is likely that both Rau and Tsi would have been foreign barbarians to the Vengic tribes, so the word "men" will have referred to Vengic or even Ziwanic speakers that were "recruited" by the advancing armies to swell the ranks as they prepared for siege on land.
In Kànnow, a barbarian is someone whose speech is not understood; similarly, as an originally nomadic people, there is no basic word for "farmer" or "peasant", but there are rather people who habitually dig furrows in the soil. Note the non-assimilation of /u/ caused by the deleted /i/: sʼaaṇusbiłcʼaán rather than *sʼaaṇòsbiłcʼaán.
"Coordination" of objects is often achieved by the distributive preverb c'iṇ-, whose semantic effect is, in general, one of deindividualization. Note also that the venitive preverb in Kànnow is relative to the subject of the verb rather than to the speaker.
Tsʼaapraṛkmoṛnènow, tsʼaapkomgokmoṛnènow, malʼopkròqrʼałkmoṛà kkssèṇseka
He threatened them with arrows, he threatened them with swords, they were so afraid to die that they did not scatter
This phrase illustrates, on the one hand, the use of the nonfinite to background information. Rather than explicitly marking the act of scattering as a consequence, in Kannow one instead says: "being so very afraid to die, they did not scatter". It also provides a nice example of Kànnow's capacity for instrumental noun incorporation.
Sła Qʼotʼnasòo kkìp'ymtaaw łecadnènòw, sła Ciłewoo nalow łecadnènòw
He spoke to the barbarians like one does in Katnahl, to the men like one does in Cihlae
The word sła combined with something in the adjectival case has roughly the same effect as the French à la would have: he spoke to them à la Katnahlaise.
This one is a Kànnow (you remember Kànnow, right?) translation of a Hlu fragment of the Zzyxwqnp epic that tells of the founding of Zzxzzyx. Very likely an anachronism, but it was nonetheless a handy text.
Pvpchqpye Vtsznxmqpye Zzxzzyx
Řqʼoqʼy! mypʼyyksʼòqduuwow gròłsytjaawow, małebosqʼaqʼowow,
Shquqou! Demon of the north, who laid waste to all he beheld,
- řqʼoqʼy
- Shquqou!
- mpʼy-
- demon(through-
- i-
- NF.ACT.NP-
- ksʼò-
- shadow-
- qdu-
- go-
- ow-
- C1A)-
- ow
- C1.DEF
- gw-
- VEN-
- ro-
- NF.ACT.P-
- łsytʼ-
- north-
- ja-
- come-
- ow-
- C1.A.SG-
- ow
- C1.DEF
- t-
- P.PL-
- malʼ-
- truly-
- he-
- FP.IND.A-
- bos-
- everything-
- qʼaqʼ-
- destroy-
- ndw-
- C8.P.PL-
- ow-
- C1.A.PL-
- ow
- C1.SG
Shquqou (< Rau /ʃqʌqɯ/) is simultaneously the protagonist and the main villain of the Vtsznxmqp, somewhat like Genghis Khan in the Târikh-e Jahângoshây, if the Târikh was bad poetry rather than prose. A historical figure, Shquqou was a priest of Qapi Mongkoush who assumed command over a combined Tsi and Rau army attacking the Narngic port city of Big Yeet and subsequently turned out to be both a religious fanatic and completely insane. In consequence, the relevant part of the Vtsznxmqp is mostly a long list of his war crimes interspersed with records of the sermons he delivered to the corpses. In this verse, he is introduced with the appropriate dramatism.
Linguistically, we are introduced to several specialties of Kànnow already. The word for "demon", "evil spirit" is literally "who moves through the shadows", originally possibly a taboo term, but now firmly lexicalised. Kànnow does not like overusing its possessive construction, instead producing something like "Shquqou! Demon who came from the north, who destroyed everything".
An artefact of Kànnow's morphological system is the frequency with which epithets end in -owow (a class 1 nominalization of an active verb with a class 1 agent). The preverb malʼ- in the final epithet serves as emphasis: who laid waste to all he beheld; its realization as mał- is due to the fact that except for the final element, MOA distinctions are neutralized in clusters. In this way, /h/ (when it occurs anywhere but the beginning of a word) acts as a sort of zero consonant, whose only surface realization is that it triggers cluster mechanics.
Řqʼoqʼy sgałán třpinyłr'eqnènowow, iġytktʼaaja Qʼotʼnasòo tkìmbyyja łṇàk'àksuṛġaán
Shquqou who killed myriads, he is evilest among the red spears of Katnahl.
- řqʼoqʼy
- shquqou
- sgał-
- myriad-
- nw
- C4.PL
- t-
- P.PL-
- rpi-
- NF.CAUS.IND-
- nal-
- man-
- r'éq-
- die-
- nen-
- C4.P.PL-
- ow-
- C1.A.SG-
- ow,
- C1.DEF,
- i-
- POSS-
- ġatk-
- spear-
- tʼa-
- C5.D.SG
- ija
- C5.DEF
- qʼotʼnas-
- Katnahl-
- uu
- C5.ADJ.SG
- t-
- P.PL-
- kì-
- NF.MP.NP-
- mbyh-
- be_red-
- ah-
- C5.P.PL-
- ija
- C5.DEF
- ł-
- D.PL-
- ṅk'à-
- most-
- ksw-
- INF.MP.FP-
- yṛġa-
- evil-
- ah-
- C5.D.PL-
- nw
- C1.P.SG
"Killed myriads" is more explicitly specified as "myriads of men" by incorporating the word for man into the verbal complex. Note the height harmony: -rpi-nal- assimilates to -rpi-nyl-; this process goes left-to-right (with two harmony sets < e a o > vs < i y u >) and is blocked by clusters. There are morphemes that are exempt from height harmony; a prominent example is the class 5 definite marker -ija (and not *-ijy).
The superlative is constructed by adding a dative to the normally univalent middle "be evil": "he is most evil to the red spears of Katnahl" (< Rau /qʌtnas/, 'people of the qutna', a generic term for the Rau religio-cultural zone, named after a holy plant of Qapi Mongkoush).
The zero consonant nature of /h/ can be seen in the fact that it disappears between vowels. This phrase contains a particularly egregious example: |mbyh-ah-ija| being realized as mbyyja, with the vowel hiatus resolving from left to right.
Eňeew ijyņuw małġyyblaknòw, rowesenán Pʼiqįeetʼén kmaapckʼołamnòw
He transgressed sorely against great Kömthag, he reduced the great city of Big Yeet to rubble.
- eňe-
- Ainabe-
- ow
- C1.DEF
- i-
- NF.ACT.NP-
- jáṇ-
- be_great-
- ow
- C1.A
- mal'-
- truly-
- ġy-
- MALF-
- he-
- INF.ACT.FP-
- blak'-
- transgress-
- nw-
- C1.D.SG-
- ow,
- C1.A.SG,
- ro-
- NF.P.A-
- wese-
- great_settlement-
- na-
- C4.D.SG-
- nw
- C4.DEF
- p'iqįeet'-
- Big Yeet-
- nw
- C4.DEF
- kma-
- fully-
- hap-
- INF.CAUS.FP-
- ck'ołam-
- rubble-
- nw-
- C4.P.SG-
- ow
- C1.A.SG
Eňeew (< Kett Ainabe) is a borrowed name for the supreme being in the general Antipodean cultural area; it serves here to translate Zzyxwqnp Kuntqx, the Vengic personification of Nature. "Reduce to rubble", in the Kànnow, is a zero derivation of ck'ołam, "rubble", with causative conjugation.
Kkìpʼymtaán nalén tcʼiņkàpłrytìninuw, sʼaaņusbiłc'aán ġatkuu tcʼiņkàpjandòw
He gathered barbarians and men to him, he made peasants and spears come to him
- k-
- barbarian(NEG-
- kì-
- NF.MP.NP-
- p'amt-
- understand-
- a-
- C1.A.PL)-
- én
- C1.INDEF.PL
- nal-
- man-
- én
- C1.INDEF.PL
- t-
- P.PL-
- c'iṇ-
- DISTR-
- gw-
- VEN-
- hap-
- INF.CAUS.FP-
- lrytì-
- be_together-
- nen-
- C1.P.PL-
- ow,
- C1.A.PL,
- s'a-
- HABIT-
- i-
- NF.ACT.NP-
- ṇus-
- earth-
- biłc'-
- dig_creases-
- a-
- C1.A.PL-
- én
- C1.INDEF.PL
- ġatk-
- spear-
- uu
- C5.INDEF.PL
- t-
- P.PL-
- c'iṇ-
- DISTR-
- gw-
- VEN-
- hap-
- INF.CAUS.FP-
- ja-
- on_foot-
- ndw-
- C8.P.PL-
- ow
- C1.A.SG
It is difficult to say now who counted as a barbarian to the original author of the Vtsznxmqp. It is likely that both Rau and Tsi would have been foreign barbarians to the Vengic tribes, so the word "men" will have referred to Vengic or even Ziwanic speakers that were "recruited" by the advancing armies to swell the ranks as they prepared for siege on land.
In Kànnow, a barbarian is someone whose speech is not understood; similarly, as an originally nomadic people, there is no basic word for "farmer" or "peasant", but there are rather people who habitually dig furrows in the soil. Note the non-assimilation of /u/ caused by the deleted /i/: sʼaaṇusbiłcʼaán rather than *sʼaaṇòsbiłcʼaán.
"Coordination" of objects is often achieved by the distributive preverb c'iṇ-, whose semantic effect is, in general, one of deindividualization. Note also that the venitive preverb in Kànnow is relative to the subject of the verb rather than to the speaker.
Tsʼaapraṛkmoṛnènow, tsʼaapkomgokmoṛnènow, malʼopkròqrʼałkmoṛà kkssèṇseka
He threatened them with arrows, he threatened them with swords, they were so afraid to die that they did not scatter
- t-
- P.PL-
- s'a-
- HABIT-
- hap-
- INF.CAUS.FP-
- raṛ-
- arrow-
- kmóṛ-
- fear-
- nen-
- C1.P.PL-
- ow
- C1.A.SG
- t-
- P.PL-
- s'a-
- HABIT-
- hap-
- INF.CAUS.FP-
- komgo-
- sword-
- kmóṛ-
- fear-
- nen-
- C1.P.PL-
- ow
- C1.A.SG
- mal'-
- truly-
- ob-
- such-
- krò-
- NF.MP.P-
- qr'ał-
- death-
- kmóṛ-
- fear-
- a
- C1.A.PL
- k-
- NEG-
- ksw-
- INF.MP.FP-
- seṇsek-
- scatter-
- a
- C1.A.PL
This phrase illustrates, on the one hand, the use of the nonfinite to background information. Rather than explicitly marking the act of scattering as a consequence, in Kannow one instead says: "being so very afraid to die, they did not scatter". It also provides a nice example of Kànnow's capacity for instrumental noun incorporation.
Sła Qʼotʼnasòo kkìp'ymtaaw łecadnènòw, sła Ciłewoo nalow łecadnènòw
He spoke to the barbarians like one does in Katnahl, to the men like one does in Cihlae
- sła
- like
- Q'ot'nas-
- katnahl-
- uu
- C5.ADJ.SG
- k-
- barbarian(NEG-
- kì-
- NF.MP.NP-
- p'amt-
- understand-
- a-
- C1.A.SG)-
- ow
- C1.DEF
- ł-
- D.PL-
- he-
- INF.ACT.IND.FP-
- cád-
- speak-
- nw-
- C4.P.SG-
- nén-
- C1.D.PL-
- ow,
- C1.A.SG,
- sła
- like
- Ciłe-
- cihlae-
- uu
- C5.ADJ.SG
- nal-
- man-
- ow
- C1.DEF
- ł-
- D.PL-
- he-
- INF.ACT.IND.FP-
- cád-
- speak-
- nw-
- C4.P.SG-
- nén-
- C1.D.PL-
- ow
- C1.A.SG
The word sła combined with something in the adjectival case has roughly the same effect as the French à la would have: he spoke to them à la Katnahlaise.
Mbtrtcgf qxah bdej bkska kidabh n ñstbwdj spa.
Ogñwdf n spa bdej bruoh kiñabh ñbtzmieb n qxah.
Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf.
Ogñwdf n spa bdej bruoh kiñabh ñbtzmieb n qxah.
Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf. Qiegf.
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Re: The Allosphere
Some Haedus files.
Proto-Vengic to Proto-Ziwanic:
Proto-Ziwanic to V'ëng:
Proto-Vengic to Proto-Hluic:
Proto-Hluic to Proto-Hlu:
Old Hlu to Gejaehl Hlu:
Proto-Vengic to Proto-Whatic: (well-commented because batshit)
Proto-Whatic to What:
Proto-Vengic to Proto-Ziwanic:
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K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Re: The Allosphere
Huh, so Morrigan's Haedus SCA allows comments. And now I'm wondering why most other SCAs don't, that's definitely a welcome feature.
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Re: The Allosphere
It also allows writing intermediate forms to file. (I've mostly been playing with Phonix, and that's a feature I wish it had.)
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Re: The Allosphere
Indeed, it's not even especially complex to support them. They're even really popular, as I learnt when I asked for adding them to my SCA.
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Re: The Allosphere
Messed with the SCs a little to provide RUKI-style variety in details in an early Ziwanic-Hluic-Whatic isogloss - namely, I've decided (from going through some very old notes on Vengic) that *B were actually prenasalized stops, and *V were plain voiced stops. These values are preserved in Zotic but nowhere else.
However, there are details!
- In Whatic, nothing of particular interest happens.
- In Vengic, *t *z were both dental, so *z gives Proto-Ziwanic *ð. In V'eng, this ends up merging into /r/. (I haven't implemented the Zzyxwqnp sound changes yet.)
- In Hluic, this was preceded by a collapse of the voicing distinction intervocalically - but *t was dental, whereas *z was alveolar, so *-t- gives Proto-Hluic *ð, whereas *-z- gives Proto-Hluic *z.
It is possible that, in Proto-Vengic proper, *t *z were /t̪ d/ respectively, like in Proto-Austronesian or whichever branch thereof. But I'm not going to do the *t > k thing; that's just silly.
Anyway, cognates. Zzyxwqnp (worked out by hand from the V'eng forms) - Gejaehl Hlu - Bor Hlu - What. Some of these will probably be replaced.
Orthography:
However, there are details!
- In Whatic, nothing of particular interest happens.
- In Vengic, *t *z were both dental, so *z gives Proto-Ziwanic *ð. In V'eng, this ends up merging into /r/. (I haven't implemented the Zzyxwqnp sound changes yet.)
- In Hluic, this was preceded by a collapse of the voicing distinction intervocalically - but *t was dental, whereas *z was alveolar, so *-t- gives Proto-Hluic *ð, whereas *-z- gives Proto-Hluic *z.
It is possible that, in Proto-Vengic proper, *t *z were /t̪ d/ respectively, like in Proto-Austronesian or whichever branch thereof. But I'm not going to do the *t > k thing; that's just silly.
Anyway, cognates. Zzyxwqnp (worked out by hand from the V'eng forms) - Gejaehl Hlu - Bor Hlu - What. Some of these will probably be replaced.
Proto-Ziwanic | Proto-Hluic | Proto-Whatic | Zzyxwqnp | Hlu (Gejaehl) | Hlu (Bor) | What |
ʔaβéŋi | ʔwæɲ | ʔeɲeŋ | vùŋ | ʔwɤɲ | ʔwɤɲ | ʔɲaŋ |
miká | meɣ | mʲeke: | gā | mɯj | mɯj | mkij |
hutéŋa | hðeŋ | mʷoteŋe | tsə̄ŋ | hɯɲ | hɯɲ | mnˀiah |
nakása | ŋgaθ | n̆eke: | gâ | ŋgɒɬ | ŋgaɬ | lkij |
fuké | huɣ | fʷuke: | tsjə̂ | hu | hɒw | wkij |
cĩ | sæ̃ | sẽ: | tɕīŋ | se | si | sĩj |
cuʔáca | ʔaɟ | soʔes | tɕjə̄ | ʔɒc | ʔac | sʔas |
mirúja | mrɤj | mʲiroɲe | ɖì | jwɤj | rwɤj | mrɲah |
majá | maj | mʲɨe | mbjā | mæ | maj | mah |
tóŋa | tog | toge | twə̄ŋ | ɗok | ɗok | tgiah |
téŋa | teŋ | ti:ŋ | tsə̄ŋ | ɗɯɲ | ɗɯɲ | tiŋ |
tã́ŋa | tãg | tẽŋe | tɕjāŋ | ɗɒk | ɗak | nˀiah |
péra | per | pʲi:r | pjə̂ | ɓi | ɓir | pir |
yã | yã | ɲãː | jāŋ | jɒ | ja | ɲẽj |
kusá | kɤθ | pʷoɲe: | sà | ɠɤɬ | ɠɤɬ | pɲij |
maxúra | ŋgur | mefʷore | gwû | ŋgwi | ŋgwir | mwra̤h |
pikĩ́ra | wcʌ̃r | pʲĩkĩne | tɕjî | ʄwɤ | ʄwɤr | mˀŋna̤h |
rakáru | rɣɤr | reker | kwə̂ | jɯ | rɯr | rkiar |
tirṹxu | trɔ̃h | terũx | ʈû | tɒh | tɒh | trɨ̃h |
túba | tɤb | ʈū | tu:bʲe | ɗɤp | ɗɤp | tbah |
jinápa | jnaw | ɲen̆epʲ | ȵdʑjá | jno | jnaw | ɲlap |
ðipúmʲa | jwɤr | ɹupʷoɲẽ | pjíŋ | jwɤ | jwɤr | lmˀãh |
ɖéβa | rãw | jĩ:mʷ | ʈwù | jo | raw | jĩm |
kímu | cim | kæ:mʷ | tɕjīŋ | ʄim | ʄim | kijm |
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Re: The Allosphere
toqqá mo bzéagum ɳɖą ŋgigórrøm yea ccoaχojóaqq steŋŋ
to-qqa mo b-zeagum ɳ-ɖą ŋ-ki=korr-øm=yea ccoaχojoaqq s=tteŋŋ
AN.T-heaven REAL CONT-bear.MAJ INAN-thing INAN-NEG=count-NMLZ=DAT nourish.MAJ POSS=mankind
tteŋŋ mo kʉnéarr ŋgiðą́ hø̨n kiɭo kimǿduŋ toqqá
0-tteŋŋ mo ki=b-nearr ŋ-ki-dã hø̨n ki=ɭo ki-møduŋ to-qqa
AN.H-mankind REAL NEG-CONT-take INAN-NEG-thing INS RECIP pay AN.T-heaven
dull dull dull dull dull dull dull
dull
kill
to-qqa mo b-zeagum ɳ-ɖą ŋ-ki=korr-øm=yea ccoaχojoaqq s=tteŋŋ
AN.T-heaven REAL CONT-bear.MAJ INAN-thing INAN-NEG=count-NMLZ=DAT nourish.MAJ POSS=mankind
tteŋŋ mo kʉnéarr ŋgiðą́ hø̨n kiɭo kimǿduŋ toqqá
0-tteŋŋ mo ki=b-nearr ŋ-ki-dã hø̨n ki=ɭo ki-møduŋ to-qqa
AN.H-mankind REAL NEG-CONT-take INAN-NEG-thing INS RECIP pay AN.T-heaven
dull dull dull dull dull dull dull
dull
kill
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Re: The Allosphere
introducing
THE PAN-SWAMPISH ALPHABET
Hlu:
Ykvku yxllx ccv ttwm jjqngnill yvhhngq lliddxſx i ttfiyill
Ykvku ttwſxhhyi i ddvñ kwñ yKqtnqll myqlltwn yemqk yllvyttwñ
Kvntw gqlle fqng llitwſx yo gqs yDw nnqmi vbqnſx
ggfqk gqs ddvñ gqs bodicilq cxddw ttwñ qybolli lillq
nfqyq lillq kokkq ykvt mmi llyomllq yngfe yyi yqc hhfiyoyi
hvñ i Kqtnqll ggfqkmmun fvñq hvñ i Cillx ddvñmmun fvñq
What:
khvn nlrlif ñle ſmlvf ñqſqſvqnhvfh v mnqx
ñfvd n yñkiy gyhgx mnqx ſmlvf ppuftñfvfnhvfh v khv
dufl dufl dufl dufl dufl dufl dufl
Qoa:
tokkhaj mo bzxjgum ndranh ñgigojrrvm yx ccqhodcqjkkh ſteññ
tteññ mo kwnxjrr ñgidhajn hvnnn kilro kimvjduñ tokkhaj
dull dull dull dull dull dull dull
Kangſhi:
1. Vrot ñzvbzaj ſkae xri nax
2. Vrot ñgbodut bñdau bvñbdoxſiej
3. Vrot ñxſaex n imaeit ſiabdv nix u ññwit itog nix
diſcuſs
THE PAN-SWAMPISH ALPHABET
Hlu:
Ykvku yxllx ccv ttwm jjqngnill yvhhngq lliddxſx i ttfiyill
Ykvku ttwſxhhyi i ddvñ kwñ yKqtnqll myqlltwn yemqk yllvyttwñ
Kvntw gqlle fqng llitwſx yo gqs yDw nnqmi vbqnſx
ggfqk gqs ddvñ gqs bodicilq cxddw ttwñ qybolli lillq
nfqyq lillq kokkq ykvt mmi llyomllq yngfe yyi yqc hhfiyoyi
hvñ i Kqtnqll ggfqkmmun fvñq hvñ i Cillx ddvñmmun fvñq
What:
khvn nlrlif ñle ſmlvf ñqſqſvqnhvfh v mnqx
ñfvd n yñkiy gyhgx mnqx ſmlvf ppuftñfvfnhvfh v khv
dufl dufl dufl dufl dufl dufl dufl
Qoa:
tokkhaj mo bzxjgum ndranh ñgigojrrvm yx ccqhodcqjkkh ſteññ
tteññ mo kwnxjrr ñgidhajn hvnnn kilro kimvjduñ tokkhaj
dull dull dull dull dull dull dull
Kangſhi:
1. Vrot ñzvbzaj ſkae xri nax
2. Vrot ñgbodut bñdau bvñbdoxſiej
3. Vrot ñxſaex n imaeit ſiabdv nix u ññwit itog nix
diſcuſs
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Re: The Allosphere
It will at some point be necessary to describe Rau, since it is a major language of the area north and west of the Zhjumna, and the liturgical language of the local variety of Institutional Tengrism.
/p b~v t d~ð~ɾ z̺~dz̺~ʐ~ɖʐ~ɹ k g~j~ʝ~ɣ q ɢ~ʁ~ʕ ʔ/ <p b t d z k g q r 0>
/ɬ s̻ ɕ x~h~f ꭓ/ <l s sh h kh>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/a e ʌ o i (u)/ <a e u o i ou>
/a: e: ʌ: o: i: u:/ <â ê û ô î oû>
ʇ ᵑʇ ᶢʇ <c nc gc>
ǁ ᵑǁ ᶢǁ <x nx gx>
ǂ ᵑǂ ᶢǂ <ç nç gç>
/u u:/ are rare. Historically, /u:/ became /u/ in a few environments, otherwise generally /ib/ outside the influence of uvulars. (Non-central long vowels diphthongized in general - so e: o: i: u: > eg ob ig ub. See below. They were later reintroduced from loans.) Also, note that s z sh all have different places of articulation.
There is no contrast between voiced plosives, voiced fricatives, and sonorants; furthermore, /g/ is often fronted to [ɟ], and admits the allophone [j]. The voiced series can even be syllabic, as in bsoukhashd /b.su.ꭓa.ʃd/. Syllabic voiced plosives are usually pronounced as sonorants preceded or followed by an extra-short schwa. Initial clusters can only appear in stressed syllables, and have certain phonotactic restrictions that have yet to be defined.
Coda consonants are generally phonetically mangled, with effects on the preceding vowel; and the inventory of finals is restricted. For example, consider the stressed finals with voiced plosives:
/ab eb-ʌb ob ib-ub/ [ɔo̯ ɛw ʌw ɪw~ʏw~ʊw]
/ad ed ʌd od ið uð/ [æð eð ʌð øð ið yð]
/az ʌz oz ez-iz-uz/ [æɻ ɑɻ oɻ iɻ]
/ag eg ʌg og ig-ug/ [æe̯ ej ʌj oj~uj ɪj]
/aɢ eɢ-ʌɢ oɢ iɢ-uɢ/ [ɔˤ ʊˤ oˤ uˤ]
Voiced plosives and nasals can be followed by another consonant, although /ŋ/ affects non-front vowels similarly to /ɢ/:
zdogs [s̺ɾujs]
bdang [bɾɔˤŋ]~[bɾɔ̃ˤ]
nxeml [ᵑǁɛmɬ]~[ᵑǁɛw̃ɬ]
zart [dz̺ɔˤt]
Voiced plosives and clusters cannot occur after long vowels.
Some Kangshi loans:
irsda /iɢ.sda/ [uˤs̺ɾa] "Zhjumna" < igzda "highland"
ngzumhib /ŋ.zum.xib/ [əŋ.ndzʏ̃.fʏw] "fox" < ñzwmxox "fox"
bshtad /b.ɕtad/ [əv.ɕtæð] "market" < bstct "market"
The lexical situation of Northern Continental Hathic merits comment. There is relatively little lexical inheritance from Proto-Hathic, with many words loaned from an unknown substrate and some seemingly from para-Amqolic, and a predominantly religious or otherwise high-cultured register of loans from Kangshuic. The argument for the connection of Northern Continental Hathic to the remainder of the Hathic family rests primarily on the resemblance of the determiners, the inheritance (albeit often as elements of compounds) of a small amount of core vocabulary, and the preservation of what little morphology Proto-Hathic had, such as the formation of comparative adjectives.
In addition, the Proto-Hathic people had a tradition of lexically conservative epic poetry, known generally as r!ər ɕogoɭɨg c!aam "celestial and chthonic recitations", handed down with concomitant glosses; and Hathic languages, including Northern Continental Hathic, tend to contain an elevated stratum of loans from the Recitations, informed by the glosses. These loans are often reinforced by compounding with common-register nouns, but it is not uncommon for the glosses to be wrong, or the assumed correspondences between the glosses and the words of the Recitations to be incorrect, with the result that this lexical stratum often shows semantic shifts that would be generally considered implausible.
For example, the name of the Liminal Chariot by which the Forgers of the Æon descended from the Celestial Sphere, fʷʌʌ ŋɛr, has, in the earliest texts, an alternant fʷʌʌŋ ci, which appeared for complex metrical reasons in the set phrase fʷʌʌŋ ci nt!a rɛs "shining fʷʌʌ ŋɛr". A later gloss, which must have been composed after a number of phonological mergers, assumed that fʷʌʌŋ was related to hoŋ "moon", and that fʷʌʌŋ ci nt!a rɛs referred to the "shining skin of the moon", thus inventing a word ci "skin, exoskeleton" which was compounded with substratal *fʌl "skin" to produce Rau shtibor "skin", and compounded with Amqolic *besúg-xan "mass of critters" (preserved in Amqoli bzugxal) to produce bsoukhashd "chitin".
Complicating matters further, the conversion of the Continental and Archipelagic Hathics to various denominations of Institutional Tengrism has resulted in the loss of the tradition of the Recitations; the main language in which they are preserved is Hathe, which takes the tendency of consonantal simplification present in non-Archipelagic Hathic to an extreme, leading to exceptional difficulty of reconstruction, and which has on occasion versified its glosses, elevated them to the status of Celestial Recitation, and then developed to such an extent that it was deemed necessary to produce glosses on those. However, the Hathic range overlapped to some extent with that of the Vengic pagans, and some of the Recitations were taken down by the Narng. Also available to future Enzean philologists is a very confused but extensive Ziwan codex, containing a few Celestial Recitations that had been taken up and hopelessly garbled by a Hathic-influenced pagan sect, as well as what is presumably a mechanical translation of a lost Hlu epic consisting of a collection and re-versification of a variety of glosses, and numerous written recordings (which agree to a surprising extent) of the "Keys of Heaven", the most incomprehensible, and most sacred to the early Hathics, of the Recitations.
The content of the Celestial Recitations, as will be discovered much later by the aforementioned Enzean philologists, generally relates to the nature of magic and of the gods; the creation of the world by the gods out of metals and æthers at the beginning of the historical era; sprawling, psychohistorical ramblings about prehistory dating back to the beginning of the previous historical era, in which mankind inhabited the celestial sphere; and garbled mathematical and alchemical musings promising mankind the power to liquefy gold, create stars, ascend bodily to higher spheres, and suchlike. The most important recitation was a wildly inaccurate star chart followed by several hours of uninterpretable, formulaic, vaguely numerological babble which the earliest glosses held to be somehow the language of the celestial sphere itself, and to which structural similarities were later found in the occult incantations of certain rural Kett populations on the other side of the world.
Several millennia later, Hierarch Renxau of Enze would quietly relocate the philology departments of Enze's top universities to the imperial capital.
Anyway! Rau, being a fairly average Continental Hathic language, shares with Kangshuic and the general Zhjumna linguistic area a generally but not entirely prefixing morphology, pervasive use of noun classes, and a wide array of auxiliary verbs. In addition, it has a large class of 'bipartite verbs' in which object and past/non-past markers are infixed into the verb (diachronically, these are descended from unitized V-N compounds with markers of possession serving as person markers), Amqolic-like verbalizers of location, and a distinction between absolute, conjunct, pronominal, and auxiliary forms of verbs.
This distinction merits some comment. Proto-Rau did not have "words"; it instead had stress groups. Unfortunately, this post is too long, so the aforementioned point at which Rau will have to be described is not yet.
/p b~v t d~ð~ɾ z̺~dz̺~ʐ~ɖʐ~ɹ k g~j~ʝ~ɣ q ɢ~ʁ~ʕ ʔ/ <p b t d z k g q r 0>
/ɬ s̻ ɕ x~h~f ꭓ/ <l s sh h kh>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/a e ʌ o i (u)/ <a e u o i ou>
/a: e: ʌ: o: i: u:/ <â ê û ô î oû>
ʇ ᵑʇ ᶢʇ <c nc gc>
ǁ ᵑǁ ᶢǁ <x nx gx>
ǂ ᵑǂ ᶢǂ <ç nç gç>
/u u:/ are rare. Historically, /u:/ became /u/ in a few environments, otherwise generally /ib/ outside the influence of uvulars. (Non-central long vowels diphthongized in general - so e: o: i: u: > eg ob ig ub. See below. They were later reintroduced from loans.) Also, note that s z sh all have different places of articulation.
There is no contrast between voiced plosives, voiced fricatives, and sonorants; furthermore, /g/ is often fronted to [ɟ], and admits the allophone [j]. The voiced series can even be syllabic, as in bsoukhashd /b.su.ꭓa.ʃd/. Syllabic voiced plosives are usually pronounced as sonorants preceded or followed by an extra-short schwa. Initial clusters can only appear in stressed syllables, and have certain phonotactic restrictions that have yet to be defined.
Coda consonants are generally phonetically mangled, with effects on the preceding vowel; and the inventory of finals is restricted. For example, consider the stressed finals with voiced plosives:
/ab eb-ʌb ob ib-ub/ [ɔo̯ ɛw ʌw ɪw~ʏw~ʊw]
/ad ed ʌd od ið uð/ [æð eð ʌð øð ið yð]
/az ʌz oz ez-iz-uz/ [æɻ ɑɻ oɻ iɻ]
/ag eg ʌg og ig-ug/ [æe̯ ej ʌj oj~uj ɪj]
/aɢ eɢ-ʌɢ oɢ iɢ-uɢ/ [ɔˤ ʊˤ oˤ uˤ]
Voiced plosives and nasals can be followed by another consonant, although /ŋ/ affects non-front vowels similarly to /ɢ/:
zdogs [s̺ɾujs]
bdang [bɾɔˤŋ]~[bɾɔ̃ˤ]
nxeml [ᵑǁɛmɬ]~[ᵑǁɛw̃ɬ]
zart [dz̺ɔˤt]
Voiced plosives and clusters cannot occur after long vowels.
Some Kangshi loans:
irsda /iɢ.sda/ [uˤs̺ɾa] "Zhjumna" < igzda "highland"
ngzumhib /ŋ.zum.xib/ [əŋ.ndzʏ̃.fʏw] "fox" < ñzwmxox "fox"
bshtad /b.ɕtad/ [əv.ɕtæð] "market" < bstct "market"
The lexical situation of Northern Continental Hathic merits comment. There is relatively little lexical inheritance from Proto-Hathic, with many words loaned from an unknown substrate and some seemingly from para-Amqolic, and a predominantly religious or otherwise high-cultured register of loans from Kangshuic. The argument for the connection of Northern Continental Hathic to the remainder of the Hathic family rests primarily on the resemblance of the determiners, the inheritance (albeit often as elements of compounds) of a small amount of core vocabulary, and the preservation of what little morphology Proto-Hathic had, such as the formation of comparative adjectives.
In addition, the Proto-Hathic people had a tradition of lexically conservative epic poetry, known generally as r!ər ɕogoɭɨg c!aam "celestial and chthonic recitations", handed down with concomitant glosses; and Hathic languages, including Northern Continental Hathic, tend to contain an elevated stratum of loans from the Recitations, informed by the glosses. These loans are often reinforced by compounding with common-register nouns, but it is not uncommon for the glosses to be wrong, or the assumed correspondences between the glosses and the words of the Recitations to be incorrect, with the result that this lexical stratum often shows semantic shifts that would be generally considered implausible.
For example, the name of the Liminal Chariot by which the Forgers of the Æon descended from the Celestial Sphere, fʷʌʌ ŋɛr, has, in the earliest texts, an alternant fʷʌʌŋ ci, which appeared for complex metrical reasons in the set phrase fʷʌʌŋ ci nt!a rɛs "shining fʷʌʌ ŋɛr". A later gloss, which must have been composed after a number of phonological mergers, assumed that fʷʌʌŋ was related to hoŋ "moon", and that fʷʌʌŋ ci nt!a rɛs referred to the "shining skin of the moon", thus inventing a word ci "skin, exoskeleton" which was compounded with substratal *fʌl "skin" to produce Rau shtibor "skin", and compounded with Amqolic *besúg-xan "mass of critters" (preserved in Amqoli bzugxal) to produce bsoukhashd "chitin".
Complicating matters further, the conversion of the Continental and Archipelagic Hathics to various denominations of Institutional Tengrism has resulted in the loss of the tradition of the Recitations; the main language in which they are preserved is Hathe, which takes the tendency of consonantal simplification present in non-Archipelagic Hathic to an extreme, leading to exceptional difficulty of reconstruction, and which has on occasion versified its glosses, elevated them to the status of Celestial Recitation, and then developed to such an extent that it was deemed necessary to produce glosses on those. However, the Hathic range overlapped to some extent with that of the Vengic pagans, and some of the Recitations were taken down by the Narng. Also available to future Enzean philologists is a very confused but extensive Ziwan codex, containing a few Celestial Recitations that had been taken up and hopelessly garbled by a Hathic-influenced pagan sect, as well as what is presumably a mechanical translation of a lost Hlu epic consisting of a collection and re-versification of a variety of glosses, and numerous written recordings (which agree to a surprising extent) of the "Keys of Heaven", the most incomprehensible, and most sacred to the early Hathics, of the Recitations.
The content of the Celestial Recitations, as will be discovered much later by the aforementioned Enzean philologists, generally relates to the nature of magic and of the gods; the creation of the world by the gods out of metals and æthers at the beginning of the historical era; sprawling, psychohistorical ramblings about prehistory dating back to the beginning of the previous historical era, in which mankind inhabited the celestial sphere; and garbled mathematical and alchemical musings promising mankind the power to liquefy gold, create stars, ascend bodily to higher spheres, and suchlike. The most important recitation was a wildly inaccurate star chart followed by several hours of uninterpretable, formulaic, vaguely numerological babble which the earliest glosses held to be somehow the language of the celestial sphere itself, and to which structural similarities were later found in the occult incantations of certain rural Kett populations on the other side of the world.
Several millennia later, Hierarch Renxau of Enze would quietly relocate the philology departments of Enze's top universities to the imperial capital.
Anyway! Rau, being a fairly average Continental Hathic language, shares with Kangshuic and the general Zhjumna linguistic area a generally but not entirely prefixing morphology, pervasive use of noun classes, and a wide array of auxiliary verbs. In addition, it has a large class of 'bipartite verbs' in which object and past/non-past markers are infixed into the verb (diachronically, these are descended from unitized V-N compounds with markers of possession serving as person markers), Amqolic-like verbalizers of location, and a distinction between absolute, conjunct, pronominal, and auxiliary forms of verbs.
This distinction merits some comment. Proto-Rau did not have "words"; it instead had stress groups. Unfortunately, this post is too long, so the aforementioned point at which Rau will have to be described is not yet.
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Re: The Allosphere
Rau is a stress-timed language with vowel reduction, so it's difficult to know where even to begin. How about with the system of juncture?
So! There are five degrees of juncture in Rau:
- Open juncture, or the absence of juncture
- Semi-close juncture, in which vowel length is lost on secondary stress peaks
- Old close juncture, in which vowel length is lost on secondary stress peaks, unvoiced consonants at the juncture are voiced, and certain alternations occur
- New close juncture, in which vowel length is lost on secondary stress peaks and unvoiced consonants at the juncture are voiced
- Clitic juncture, in which one element of the juncture, the clitic, is made unstressed and its non-medial unmarked consonants are voiced, and resyllabification occurs
On top of this, each junctural structure has a rule for stress peak placement. What is stress? Well, every basic morph in Rau - including compounds that have become opaque - has either one or zero primary stress peaks. For example:
b̲soú:khashd̲ 'chitin'
b̲shtád 'market'
g̲ '1SG.M'
Basic morphs of more than three syllables, which are rare, have predictable secondary stress peaks on every other syllable from the primary stress, unless that syllable contains an unstressed schwa.
Every bound group must have at least one stress peak.
A word on orthographic conventions:
- Bound groups are written separated with vertical bars.
- Syllabic consonants are written with an underline, and long vowels are written with colons.
- Open junctures are written with a space.
- Semi-close junctures are written with a tilde.
- Old close junctures are written with one hyphen.
- New close junctures are written with two hyphens.
- Clitic junctures are written with =.
- Because the velar nasal can be syllabic, it will be written <ñ>.
- The lateral fricative will be written <lh>, and /ɢ/ resulting from the old voiced lateral fricative will be written <ll>, because I keep getting confused when I try to do it otherwise.
An example of open juncture is that between a non-lexicalized sequence of a noun and an adjective:
césh pánd "red cat"
An example of semi-close juncture is that between the two elements of an ad-hoc compound:
pánd~çigçì "cat bell" (cf. çigçí: "bell")
An example of old close juncture is that between a verb and an incorporated object:
lhòu-bánd "...sees the cat"
An example of new close juncture is that between a verb and an incorporated subject: (however, in this case the verb also becomes completely unstressed)
pànd--lle "the cat hears..."
Old close juncture takes precedence over new close juncture: (also note the stress shift and [analogical] vowel alternation)
tàgm̲--lle-bánd "the dog hears the cat"
The only case in which clitic juncture is used is between a verb and a pronominal clitic:
g̲-lhá "I hear..."
The first thing to note is that none of this has anything to do with either voicing or length. So! Historical phonology.
Rau collapsed its inherited voicing contrast. Voiced consonants mutated preceding stressed vowels: (voiced / unvoiced / unstressed)
(TODO)
There is one exception: voiced lateral affricates became <r>, whereas voiceless ones became <l> - hence the variation between lhou and lle. (Really the variation is between lhib and lle, since /u:/ became /iw/* in most cases -- cf. lhib-irsda "...hears Zhjumna". This is a little contrived, but "see" is not a basic verb. In fact, it is not just any phrasal verb, but an inverse possessive phrasal verb, meaning that, when it takes person indices, its object marking is where its subject marking should be, and it takes a completely different set of subject markers, which are both obligatory and infixed. A little too advanced for the Caecilius-est-in-horto stage.)
Old close juncture is simply the close juncture old enough for an earlier phase of junctural voicing to have applied before the collapse and redevelopment of the voicing contrast.
So! How many ways are there to say "the dog hears the cat"? It depends:
The unmarked form is tàgm̲--lle-bánd.
What happens if you want to emphasize the dog? Well, several things.
- First, tagm must not be incorporated; incorporated objects are background information.
- Since tagm is definite and not incorporated, it needs an article - tagm and pand both take the article for animals, n=.
- Also since tagm is not incorporated, it no longer forms a bound group. This is fine, because it is not a pronoun, meaning that it can form its own bound group.
- Since it is not incorporated, the bound group it forms may appear either before or after the verb.
Word order is somewhat free, but these two options have different pragmatic meanings: placing it before the verb establishes it as a new topic ("the dog heard the cat, and then..."), whereas placing it after the verb draws attention to the agency of the dog. ("The dog heard the cat!") These also have different grammatical implications: in the first case (the introductory construction), the dog must be indexed on the verb, but can then be indexed as a subject by the sequential marker, whereas in the second case (the adjunct construction), the dog needs explicit case marking. Also, for definite newly-introduced topics, the article is joined by a semi-close juncture with loss of stress on the article; otherwise, the article is usually joined by clitic juncture.
Thankfully, there is one simplification: non-human third-person indexal clitics are not distinct from cliticized articles. This is because they are from demonstratives and demonstratives also served as pronouns. So:
Introductory construction: ne~tágm̲ | n̲=lhoù-bánd DEF(ANIMAL)~dog | 3SG.A(ANIMAL)=hear-cat.P
Adjunct construction: lhoù-bánd | n̲=tágm̲=d̲ hear-cat.P | DEF(ANIMAL)=dog=NOM
([neˈtæjᵊm ᵊnɬʏwˈand] and [ɬʏwˈand ᵊnˈtæjᵊmᵊð]. Remember resyllabification? Voiced plosives and nasals are preferentially syllabified as codas. Also, secondary stress just means you get the stressed form instead of the unstressed form.)
If you want to emphasize the cat, most of the same applies, although of course you'd use the genitive; and the genitive, not being the nominative, must be marked even when it occurs before the verb. Also, lhe, being vowel-final, will resyllabify the clitic =n. So:
Introductory construction: ne~pánd=tn̲ | tágm̲--lle=n DEF(ANIMAL)~cat=GEN | dog.A--hear=3SG.P(ANIMAL)
Adjunct construction: tágm̲--lle | m̲=pánd=tn̲ dog.A--hear | DEF(ANIMAL)=cat=GEN
There is also the option of incorporating neither - perhaps to introduce a folktale featuring the characters Dog and Cat.
* dhok didn't like u: > ib even though Rau "voiced plosives" are clearly fake and actually sonorants >:|
So! There are five degrees of juncture in Rau:
- Open juncture, or the absence of juncture
- Semi-close juncture, in which vowel length is lost on secondary stress peaks
- Old close juncture, in which vowel length is lost on secondary stress peaks, unvoiced consonants at the juncture are voiced, and certain alternations occur
- New close juncture, in which vowel length is lost on secondary stress peaks and unvoiced consonants at the juncture are voiced
- Clitic juncture, in which one element of the juncture, the clitic, is made unstressed and its non-medial unmarked consonants are voiced, and resyllabification occurs
On top of this, each junctural structure has a rule for stress peak placement. What is stress? Well, every basic morph in Rau - including compounds that have become opaque - has either one or zero primary stress peaks. For example:
b̲soú:khashd̲ 'chitin'
b̲shtád 'market'
g̲ '1SG.M'
Basic morphs of more than three syllables, which are rare, have predictable secondary stress peaks on every other syllable from the primary stress, unless that syllable contains an unstressed schwa.
Every bound group must have at least one stress peak.
A word on orthographic conventions:
- Bound groups are written separated with vertical bars.
- Syllabic consonants are written with an underline, and long vowels are written with colons.
- Open junctures are written with a space.
- Semi-close junctures are written with a tilde.
- Old close junctures are written with one hyphen.
- New close junctures are written with two hyphens.
- Clitic junctures are written with =.
- Because the velar nasal can be syllabic, it will be written <ñ>.
- The lateral fricative will be written <lh>, and /ɢ/ resulting from the old voiced lateral fricative will be written <ll>, because I keep getting confused when I try to do it otherwise.
An example of open juncture is that between a non-lexicalized sequence of a noun and an adjective:
césh pánd "red cat"
An example of semi-close juncture is that between the two elements of an ad-hoc compound:
pánd~çigçì "cat bell" (cf. çigçí: "bell")
An example of old close juncture is that between a verb and an incorporated object:
lhòu-bánd "...sees the cat"
An example of new close juncture is that between a verb and an incorporated subject: (however, in this case the verb also becomes completely unstressed)
pànd--lle "the cat hears..."
Old close juncture takes precedence over new close juncture: (also note the stress shift and [analogical] vowel alternation)
tàgm̲--lle-bánd "the dog hears the cat"
The only case in which clitic juncture is used is between a verb and a pronominal clitic:
g̲-lhá "I hear..."
The first thing to note is that none of this has anything to do with either voicing or length. So! Historical phonology.
Rau collapsed its inherited voicing contrast. Voiced consonants mutated preceding stressed vowels: (voiced / unvoiced / unstressed)
(TODO)
There is one exception: voiced lateral affricates became <r>, whereas voiceless ones became <l> - hence the variation between lhou and lle. (Really the variation is between lhib and lle, since /u:/ became /iw/* in most cases -- cf. lhib-irsda "...hears Zhjumna". This is a little contrived, but "see" is not a basic verb. In fact, it is not just any phrasal verb, but an inverse possessive phrasal verb, meaning that, when it takes person indices, its object marking is where its subject marking should be, and it takes a completely different set of subject markers, which are both obligatory and infixed. A little too advanced for the Caecilius-est-in-horto stage.)
Old close juncture is simply the close juncture old enough for an earlier phase of junctural voicing to have applied before the collapse and redevelopment of the voicing contrast.
So! How many ways are there to say "the dog hears the cat"? It depends:
The unmarked form is tàgm̲--lle-bánd.
What happens if you want to emphasize the dog? Well, several things.
- First, tagm must not be incorporated; incorporated objects are background information.
- Since tagm is definite and not incorporated, it needs an article - tagm and pand both take the article for animals, n=.
- Also since tagm is not incorporated, it no longer forms a bound group. This is fine, because it is not a pronoun, meaning that it can form its own bound group.
- Since it is not incorporated, the bound group it forms may appear either before or after the verb.
Word order is somewhat free, but these two options have different pragmatic meanings: placing it before the verb establishes it as a new topic ("the dog heard the cat, and then..."), whereas placing it after the verb draws attention to the agency of the dog. ("The dog heard the cat!") These also have different grammatical implications: in the first case (the introductory construction), the dog must be indexed on the verb, but can then be indexed as a subject by the sequential marker, whereas in the second case (the adjunct construction), the dog needs explicit case marking. Also, for definite newly-introduced topics, the article is joined by a semi-close juncture with loss of stress on the article; otherwise, the article is usually joined by clitic juncture.
Thankfully, there is one simplification: non-human third-person indexal clitics are not distinct from cliticized articles. This is because they are from demonstratives and demonstratives also served as pronouns. So:
Introductory construction: ne~tágm̲ | n̲=lhoù-bánd DEF(ANIMAL)~dog | 3SG.A(ANIMAL)=hear-cat.P
Adjunct construction: lhoù-bánd | n̲=tágm̲=d̲ hear-cat.P | DEF(ANIMAL)=dog=NOM
([neˈtæjᵊm ᵊnɬʏwˈand] and [ɬʏwˈand ᵊnˈtæjᵊmᵊð]. Remember resyllabification? Voiced plosives and nasals are preferentially syllabified as codas. Also, secondary stress just means you get the stressed form instead of the unstressed form.)
If you want to emphasize the cat, most of the same applies, although of course you'd use the genitive; and the genitive, not being the nominative, must be marked even when it occurs before the verb. Also, lhe, being vowel-final, will resyllabify the clitic =n. So:
Introductory construction: ne~pánd=tn̲ | tágm̲--lle=n DEF(ANIMAL)~cat=GEN | dog.A--hear=3SG.P(ANIMAL)
Adjunct construction: tágm̲--lle | m̲=pánd=tn̲ dog.A--hear | DEF(ANIMAL)=cat=GEN
There is also the option of incorporating neither - perhaps to introduce a folktale featuring the characters Dog and Cat.
* dhok didn't like u: > ib even though Rau "voiced plosives" are clearly fake and actually sonorants >:|
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
Re: The Allosphere
coptic is fake. only fake coptic can actually be real
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