Akangka wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:35 am
Any possible medial cluster restriction?
not sure yet...but I guess at least plosives must be both voiced or both voiceless.
Akangka wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:35 am
This is optional, but probably you may instead generalize definite suffix into a noun marker instead of dropping it. It occurs in some Oceanic languages.
this might have happened in pre-classical era
Akangka wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:35 am
More detail, please. Which obliques can be relativized? Is noun marked as ablative case and genitive case relativizable?
possessor cannot be relativized, obliques that are used as adverbial phrases can be relativized.
Akangka wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:35 am
You can just say that -w/y is dropped in some circumstances. Also, when do you use -che or -ache?
thanks for suggestion
also, the -ache form is used after stems that end in two consonants, i.e. to avoid disallowed combinations of clusters like CCC clusters.
I decide to introduce Serial Verb Construction(which is an extension of the use of "manner" I have previously described) into Classical Sitr as a part of the syntax.
Serial Verb Construction
Classical Sitr has Serial Verb Construction, in which two or more verbs or verb phrases are strung together in a single clause. Serial verb constructions are often described as coding a single event consisting of several actions, they can also be used to indicate concurrent or causally-related events.
To form the Serial Verb Construction in Classical Sitr, the last verb is the finite verb and takes inflections, all other verbs take the adverbial form. The order of verbal phrases often indicates the order of the actions in the event. For example:
- Tashasi danna nalda - Tashasi.ABS turn-ADV leave-PST.3.SG - Tashasi turned and left
In Classical Sitr, Serial Verb Construction is used to indicate two or more consecutive actions seen as parts of a single event in general. For example:
- Tashasi danna nalda - Tashasi.ABS turn-ADV leave-PST.3.SG - Tashasi turned and left
- ta saamsi kelquita naagna gemdak - that person.SG-GEN footprint.SG.ABS follow-ADV come-PST-1.SG - I followed him here.(lit. "I followed his footprint and came")
- chitsichi mukar pekna guta - farmer-ERG pig beat-ADV kill-PST.3.SG - the farmer beat the pig to death.
The Serial Verb Construction sometimes indicates the manner of a verb. For example:
- naksaani badna gamdak - school.SG-DAT.LOC run-ADV go-PST-1.SG - I ran to school/I went to school by running.
- saamchi waga kadna tu sakta - person.SG-ERG pipe use-ADV mountain see-PST.3.SG - he saw the mountain with a pipe/he used a pipe to see the mountain.
bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:17 pm
That does make a lot more sense now — thanks!
Hey, no worries!
So, k1234567890y, what do you yourself think?
uncertain if I will use your version >< but nicely done
So...would it be okay if I use the alphabet for my own work?
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uncertain if I will use your version >< but nicely done
So...would it be okay if I use the alphabet for my own work?
sure (: just use it yourself
Grand stuff! Many thanks!
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The numeral system in Classical Sitr was decimal, with 20 and 30 being irregular, and there's an archaic irregular form for 50 alongside with the regular form, with tens formed suffix -dal; also, Classical Sitr uses a system based on 100,000 and 10,000,000 when it comes to larger numbers, which is similar to Indian languages.
Cardinal Numbers
Below are the cardinal numerals in Classical Sitr:
-1: as
-2: daa
-3: das
-4: athal
-5: kal
-6: chas
-7: chad
-8: dagar
-9: asgad
-10: daal
-11: daal as
-12: daal daa
-13: daal das
-14: daal athal
-15: daal kal
-16: daal chas
-17: daal chad
-18: daal dagar
-19: daal asgad
-20: nvsaam
-30: dansa
-40: athaldal
-50: kaldal / kardaalna(archaic)
-60: chasdal
-70: chaddal
-80: dagardal
-90: asgaddal
-100: (as) daalna
-1,000: (as) mvnaat
-10,000: daal mvnaat / (as) paltvr(rare)
-100,000: (as) bektvr
-10,000,000: (as) maatvr
daalna, mvnaat, paltvr, bektvr and maatvr act like nouns, and are always preceded by smaller numerals when they are used as numerals.
paltvr is rarely used, one usually uses tens of mvnaat instead.
The way to form numerals are straightforward, larger numerals always come before smaller ones:
- 29 - nvsaam asgad(20+9)
- 36 - dansa chas(30+6)
- 188 - as daalna dagar daal dagar(1x100+8x10+8)
- 2,341 - daa mvnaat das daalna athaldal as(2x1,000+3x100+40+1)
- 38,835 - das daal dagar mvnaat dagar daalna dansa kal((3x10+8)x1,000+8x100+30+5) / das paltvr dagar mvnaat dagar daalna dansa kal(3x10,000+8x1,000+8x100+30+5)(rare)
- 131,072 - as bektvr das daal as mvnaat chaddal daa(1x100,000+(3x10+1)x1,000+70+2) / as bektvr das paltvr as mvnaat chaddal daa(1x100,000+3x10,000+1x1,000+70+2)(rare)
Larger numerals are listed below, they are basically formed by the repetitive use of daal, daalna, mvnaat, bektvr and maatvr:
- 10^8: (as) daal maatvr(10x10,000,000)
- 10^9: (as) daalna maatvr(100x10,000,000)
- 10^10: (as) mvnaat maatvr(1000x10,000,000)
- 10^11: (as) daal mvnaat maatvr(10x1000x10,000,000)
- 10^12: (as) bektvr maatvr(100,000x10,000,000)
- 10^14: (as) maatvr maatvr(10,000,000x10,000,000)
and so on.
Ordinal Numbers
Ordinal numbers are formed with the suffix -ni on the basis of the cardinal numbers; however, the word for "first" is irregular, and there's an archaic irregular form for "second" alongside with the regular form, and for ordinal numbers for numerals ending in "one", the ending is replaced with the corresponding word for "first" accordingly.
- 29th - nvsaam asgadni
- 36th - dansa chasni
- 188th - as daalna dagardal dagarni
- 2,341st - daa mvnaat das daalna athaldal gaani
- 38,835th - das daal dagar mvnaat dagar daalna dansa kalni / das paltvr dagar mvnaat dagar daalna dansa kalni(rare)
- 131,072nd - as bektvr das daal as mvnaat chaddal daani / as bektvr das paltvr as mvnaat chaddal daani(rare)
