kårroť scratchpad (necroes still welcome)

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Is there anything in particular you guys would like to see added to the wiki?

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That wiki is empty. Is that normal?
I don't know then. Something on religion perhaps? Your signature is kind of intriguing.

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https://karrot.miraheze.org/wiki/Religions
From September 4th

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From September 4th

Oh. So I guess an index page would be helpful

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Index link added to the main page

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I am willing to adopt orphaned conlangs without their original background for my conworld kårroť. Conlangs with ejectives, aspirates, a relatively small set of voiced consonants, no implosives, simple vowels sets, or any combination of these are particularly welcome. Click languages are not welcome at all (I have no problems with those, but I arbitrarily decided that click languages do not exist on kårroť).

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Nevermind I have a solution

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I would like help
From Discord:

I'm trying to figure out how the gender roles in one of societies change and I'm stuck
"But they don't even have "man" and "woman" as genders!
They have a different gender system, although still have biological males and females
Gender is chosen in a solemn ceremony once you reach adulthood. There are two of them, and a marriage is between the two
The conculture eventually abandoned it to the same kind of gender system there was in early modern Europe (no sworn virgins though) after the collapse and conquest of their great cities"

as in the new system was from whoever conquered them?

Yes, but it is not forced but I can't figure out the how
The details of the end culture are pretty open to mucking around with, so the how greatly affects that

"forced" is a pretty nebulous term. In real examples of colonialism, cultural things are sometimes not forced at gunpoint, but the colonial society rewards people for participating in the colonisers' culture

Could you have some sort of puritanical religious order?

(but the gunpoint method is there too very often obviously)
you could have for instance, if the institutions of the conquerors just don't acknowledge the conquered culture's gender system, and to be a part of them you have to conform to the conquerors' system instead

There is some settlement, but it isn't a settler colony. The religion gets all 'interpretatio romana'ed. I agree that the institutions wouldn't recognise the system but that isn't enough of an obstacles
They could just assume outside roles for the sake of interacting with outsiders

I think it would still affect them outside that interaction with the conquerors, but you're right, it isn't a lot
Who owns the media? If it's the conquerors, there's opportunity there for indoctrinating the foreign system

Media? Most people are illiterate in both cultures

assuming the society is modern enough to have some kind of mass media

no, it is iron age

rip

Could you have prominent leaders who wish to get in the good graces refuse the cerimony?

You mean refuse to let their children do the ceremony?

I feel like an iron age society with no settlement of conquered territories and no "forceful" spread of its culture simply would not have the means or will to change the gender system of a conquered cultural group in a dramatic way

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Also the realisticness of the first gender system isn't up to debate.

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Societies also change gender roles all on their own so there must be some way

gender systems emerge from division of labour as far as i know, so a change in the gender system would come about as the division of labour changes
for instance some changes in western european gender systems during WW2 as women entered the workforce
or changes in russian gender system following the russian revolution

that could work well, the gender system makes one gender responsible for all offense and defense
remove war due to the empire's peace and they have societal problems
remove the power of the soldier-gender to make political decisions due to governance by a provincial governor and you have problems
now I need steps of the evolution

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Issue resolved

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Some male (and non-males with conditions causing abnormal hair growth) humans in my conworld have hair on their necks and shoulders
How would people wear them? How does it affect clothing?
My main cultures have full cloth clothes (like kimonos or hanfu); how does growing the shoulder hair out affect the design?
You could basically cover most of that upper area with a slit for hair, but that doesn't strike me as a design that would realistically evolve within such a society unless if they used to shave their hair and then stopped. What change can I do to the hanfu so that it could evolve with the manmanes not being shaved during the evolution?

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Some male (and non-males with conditions causing abnormal hair growth) humans in my conworld have hair on their necks and shoulders

So do I. Oh, you mean like a mane...

Some male (and non-males with conditions causing abnormal hair growth) humans in my conworld have hair on their necks and shoulders
How would people wear them? How does it affect clothing?
My main cultures have full cloth clothes (like kimonos or hanfu); how does growing the shoulder hair out affect the design?
You could basically cover most of that upper area with a slit for hair, but that doesn't strike me as a design that would realistically evolve within such a society unless if they used to shave their hair and then stopped. What change can I do to the hanfu so that it could evolve with the manmanes not being shaved during the evolution?

First, am I picturing correctly that this hair is similar to a lion's mane (but shorter, presumable, since a lion's mane also extends to his chest and back)? Assuming that's correct, I'd expect lower collars, deeper necklines, perhaps even off-the-shoulder designs if the mane is thick enough to warrant it. This is a little problematic for hanfu, which is rather...drapey and supported by the shoulders. Option B: humans put things on top of their head-hair, so you could layer the hanfu over the shoulder hair. You'll still probably want to lower the collars and open up the necklines, though.

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It grows as fast and with the same colour and texture as scalp hair, although it doesn't grow until puberty
It only grows on the top, not the sides, of the sholder

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I found my work on the vowel root languages. It's most recent version was not deleted as I thought. This is amazing stuff.

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My problem is that I made sound changes for three sister languages to that language family but can only find one sister

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Found them!

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How can horses and humans be made less fragile for the kind of tasks they often do?

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Is anyone willing to help put content I've posted on the wiki? karrot.miraheze.org
I want to update but never end up doing so. Help would be appreciated.

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I managed to figure out the mass of the star! About 0.539 solar masses.