Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:31 pmgoing to shouldn't shouldn't've starting to have to 've got to didn't can't won't
(Note that I mean the pronunciations you actually use.)
[ˈgɞ̟͡ʉɪŋtˢə] (distinct from gonna [ˈgɞ̟na], which is a prospective aspect marker)
[ˈʃʊᵈn̩tˢ]
[ˈʃʊᵈn̩ˌtˢə(v)]
[ˈstɑˑ(ɾ)ɪŋtˢə]
[ˈhæftˢə]
[-vˈgɒɾə] (changes to [-vˈgɒn̩-] before voiced stops and possibly others)
[ˈd(ᶻ)ɪᵈn̩tˢ]
[ˈkʰɑˑntˢ]
[ˈwɞ̟͡ʉntˢ]
Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:31 pmgoing to shouldn't shouldn't've starting to have to 've got to didn't can't won't
(Note that I mean the pronunciations you actually use.)
[(g)ʌ̃(ɾ̃ə̃|ː)]
[ʃᵿ(d)n̩(ʔ)]
[ʃᵿ(d)n̩(ə|ː)]
anywhere from [stɒɹɽɪŋ tʰə] to [stɒɹʔn̺̩ə]
[(æ|ɛə)ftə] (rarely with [h])
[(g̟|ɣ)ɑ(ɾə|ː)]
[dɪ(d)n̩(ʔ)]
[kẽə̃(n)(ʔ|ˀ|ː)]
[wõʊ̯̃(n)(ʔ|ˀ|ː)]
These are pretty much like what I am used to here, aside from that the vowels differ some as one would expect, that some people have long nasals while others have prestopped nasals (e.g. I have long nasals where my parents have prestopped nasals), that gotta is not pronounced with [ɣ], and that starting to normally loses the glottal stop. I have almost the same pronunciation of going to except that in addition to the formal pronunciation I have an intermediate pronunciation [ˈkɔɪ̯ɾ̃ə(ː)], i.e. the hiatus smoothed into a diphthong.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:02 pm
… that gotta is not pronounced with [ɣ] …
Why would gotta be pronounced with [ɣ]? As far as I’m aware, most English dialects don’t even have that sound.
I personally sometimes pronounce okay with it, i.e. as [aːˈɣe(ː)] - but then that is an interjection, and oftentimes interjections act weird phonologically.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
"has to"
"wanna"
"I'll"
"while we're at it"
"for a while"
"caramel"
"television"
"Walmart" (If you don't have this store in your country, you can skip this one.)
"2020" (the year)
I grew up Catholic literally not knowing that "caramel" and "Carmel" were different words. I thought the candy was called that because the Carmelites invented it.
has to: [ˈ(h)ɛsʲtʲə(ː)] wanna: [ˈwɒ̃ɾ̃əː~wɒ̃ə̯̃] I'll: [a(ː)ɤ̯] while we're at it: [ˈwaːwˌwʁ̩ːɛɾɘʔ] for a while: [fʁ̩ːʁəːˈwa(ː)ɤ̯~fɔːʁʷəːˈwa(ː)ɤ̯] caramel: [ˈkʰɑ̃ːʁ̃mɯ(ː)] television: [ˌtʰɜːɤ̯əːˈvɘːʒɘ̃(ː)(n)] Walmart: [ˈwɒ̃ːõ̯ˌmʌʁʔ] 2020: [ˈtʰwʌ̃ĩ̯ˌtʰwʌ̃ĩ̯]
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Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
I grew up Catholic literally not knowing that "caramel" and "Carmel" were different words. I thought the candy was called that because the Carmelites invented it.
Lol.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka ha wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate ha eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
[ˈhæstˢə]
[ˈwɐnɐ]
[(ɑ~ɔ)ˑw] (also [ɑ͡i(ɰ~w)] or [ˈɑj(ɯ~u)] in very careful speech)
[ˌwɔˑwwəˈæɾətˢ]
[ˌfoˑəˈwaːj(ɯ~u)]
[ˈkʰæɹʷəˌm(ɯ~u)]~[ˌkʰæɹʷəˈme̞(ɰ~w)]
[ˌtˢe̞ləˈvɪʒə̃n]
Don’t have [ˈwɔwmɑːtˢ] in my country
[ˌtˢʉː ˈθæ͡ʉzənən ˈtˢwe̞niˑ] or [ˈtˢwe̞niˑˈtˢwe̞niˑ]
I think the most interesting sound change here is l-vocalisation: I have /ɫ/ → [ɰ~w] (or → [ɯ~u] if syllabic), which can then cause the vowel immediately proceeding it to shift more back. It can also cause some resyllabication; for instance, while is two syllables for me (/wa͡iɫ/ → /wai(ɰ~w)/ → [ˈwaːj(ɯ~u)]), reduced to one syllable if unstressed ([wɔˑw]).
Space60 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:27 pm
"has to"
"wanna"
"I'll"
"while we're at it"
"for a while"
"caramel"
"television"
"Walmart" (If you don't have this store in your country, you can skip this one.)
"2020" (the year)
[(h)æstə]
[wɑ̃ɾ̃ə]
[ɔɫ] (not sure if this has ɑ or ɔ)
[wɔɫ wə˞ æɾɪ(ʔ|ɾ)] (again, not sure if this has ɑ or ɔ)
[fə˞ ə waəɫ]
[ˈkʰeɹəmɛɫ]
[ˈtʰɛɫəviʒən]
[wɔlmɒɹʔʈ]
[tʰwɛ̃̆ɾ̃ĭtʰwɛ̃̆ɾ̃ĭ]
"gonna"
"gotta"
"gimme"
"lemme" (I have the pin-pen merger, but "gimme" and "lemme" don't rhyme for me.)
"walkie-talkie"
"video"
"radio"
"movie"
"blu ray"
"toilet"
"dictionary"
"encyclopedia"
"library"
"librarian"
"Coca-Cola"
Space60 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:32 am
"gonna"
"gotta"
"gimme"
"lemme" (I have the pin-pen merger, but "gimme" and "lemme" don't rhyme for me.)
"walkie-talkie"
"video"
"radio"
"movie"
"blu ray"
"toilet"
"dictionary"
"encyclopedia"
"library"
"librarian"
"Coca-Cola"
[ˌgou̟̯nə ~ gənə ~ ənə] with the schwa being replaced by [ʊw] before a vowel.
[ˈgɔtə ~ gɔ(d)ə] with [ʊw]
[ˈgɪmɪi̯]
[le̞(ʔ)mɪi̯]
[ˌwʊːkʰɪi̯ˈtʰʊːkʰɪi̯]
[ˈvɪdɪi̯ou̟̯]
[ˈræi̯dɪi̯ou̟̯]
[ˈmʉu̯vɪi̯]
[ˈblʉu̯ˌɻʷæi̯]
[ˈtʰʊi̯lᵊt’̚]
[ˈdɪkʂᵊnᵊɻʷɪi̯]
[ɪnsɑi̯kʰləˈpʰiːdɪi̯ə]
[ˈlɑi̯b(ᵊ)ɻʷɪi̯]
[lɑi̯ˈbɻʷe̞ːɻʷɪi̯ᵊn]
[ˌkʰou̟̯kʰəˈkʰou̟̯lə]
Space60 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:32 am
"gonna"
"gotta"
"gimme"
"lemme" (I have the pin-pen merger, but "gimme" and "lemme" don't rhyme for me.)
"walkie-talkie"
"video"
"radio"
"movie"
"blu ray"
"toilet"
"dictionary"
"encyclopedia"
"library"
"librarian"
"Coca-Cola"
[ˈɡɔnɜ]
[ˈɡɔɾɜ]
[ˈɡ̟ɪmiˑ]
[ˈle̞miˑ] (although usually I don’t use this one: I say [ˈle̞t̚miˑ])
[ˈwoˑkʰiˈtoˑkʰi]
[ˈvɪdᶻiˌɞ̟͡ʉ]
[ˈɻʷæ͡idiˌɞ̟͡ʉ]
[ˈmʉˑvi]
[ˈblʉˑɻʷæ͡i]
[ˈtˢo͡iɫətˢ]
[ˈdɪkʃɘnˌɻʷiː]
[ənˌsɐ͡it͡ɬəˈpiːdi.ɜ]
[ˈlɐ͡ibɻʷi]
[lɐ͡ibˈɻʷɛːɻʷi.ən]
[ˌkʰɞ̟͡ʉkʰəˈkʰɞ̟͡ʉɫə]
(I’m a bit uncertain about some of this. I’m particularly unsure about the vowel lengths (particularly mid-long vs long vowels) and the exact realisation of /r/. But it should be reasonably accurate.)
Yes. I think I used to be on the other side of the divide, or at least in free variation, but I learned to very carefully enunciate my words when I got a job in sales. I hear both pronunciations in day to day life.