Wow, I’m surprised I got so much right! I would say that this is a sign you’ve designed your romanisation well, more than anything else, since I was able to easily (and correctly) figure out what phonemes all the letters correspond to, even with zero knowledge of these languages.Birdlang wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:45 am Actually you got almost all of this right.
Modern Standard
G and g with dot are actually swapped around in the phonology.
Đ only occurs before e and i and is pronounced like a regular d.
V is actually a voiced bilabial fricative.
D is right but before e and i is pronounced /dz/. C and j are swapped around with ć and đ and ć is actually /c/.
Ś was supposed to be there as a voiceless ź which you got right.
A and ä are swapped around with ä being /æ/.
Central
Yep all right except a is /a/ and ä is /æ/.
Coastal
All actually are right.
Highland Birdish
All are right.
Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
Assurayexu
<m ń n ṇ ň ng>
<p b t́ d́ t d ṭ ḍ c ž c̣ ẓ k g q>
<f v s z x ř ṣ ṛ h>
<w j r l>
<a i e o u y>
<m ń n ṇ ň ng>
<p b t́ d́ t d ṭ ḍ c ž c̣ ẓ k g q>
<f v s z x ř ṣ ṛ h>
<w j r l>
<a i e o u y>
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
Assurayexu:
<m ń n ṇ ň ng> /m n̪ n ɳ ɲ ŋ/
<p b t́ d́ t d ṭ ḍ c ž c̣ ẓ k g q> /p b t̪ d̪ t d ʈ ɖ tʂ dʐ tɕ dʐ k ɡ ʔ/
<f v s z x ř ṣ ṛ h> /f v s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ h/
<w j r l> /w y r l/
<a i e o u y> /a e i o u y/
(By the way, this would have been a lot harder if you had arranged the letters in alphabetical order rather than phonological order…)
<m ń n ṇ ň ng> /m n̪ n ɳ ɲ ŋ/
<p b t́ d́ t d ṭ ḍ c ž c̣ ẓ k g q> /p b t̪ d̪ t d ʈ ɖ tʂ dʐ tɕ dʐ k ɡ ʔ/
<f v s z x ř ṣ ṛ h> /f v s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ h/
<w j r l> /w y r l/
<a i e o u y> /a e i o u y/
(By the way, this would have been a lot harder if you had arranged the letters in alphabetical order rather than phonological order…)
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
When I was much younger (as in, around 7 years old), I was fascinated by obscure Latin-script graphemes. (I suppose I still am.) I would sit for hours on end looking for interesting letters using Microsoft Word’s character map, and I would assemble them into alphabets. In retrospect, this was the beginning of my long journey into conlanging. (I suppose that, for a 7-year-old whose linguistic knowledge was limited to a bit of phonetics, creating alphabets was a perfectly valid method of conlanging.)
Now, I mention this because while poking around some old files on my computer earlier today, I stumbled across the directory where I saved all these alphabets so long ago. And, although some of them are normal enough, most of them are really, really, horrifyingly weird. (No, this isn’t an exaggeration; see below for examples.) In fact, some of the alphabets I made seem so unusual that, after I saw them, I would have sworn I was hallucinating when I made them, but for the fact that I have no memory of hallucinations as a younger child. And thus I decided to put them on this thread, in the hope that someone here is able to make sense out of any of them. Actually, these alphabets are so horrifyingly weird that I will phrase this as a challenge: I challenge you to reverse romanize any one of the alphabets below and get a sensible result. (I will be fairly surprised if anyone manages to do this for some of the more complicated alphabets.)
I suppose that I should go through the alphabets now; I’ll do it going roughly from least to most weird. Firstly, the least weird of the bunch is one which I appear to have called Molero Asreri. (Yes, they seem to have names; no, I have no idea where I got the names from.) The only real complication with this one is that each vowel can be modified by any one of four diacritics:
⟨a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z á é í ó ú à è ì ò ù â ê î ô û ä ë ï ö ü⟩
The next most weird is named Losen Yu. This has a couple of diacritics more than the previous one. It also seems to have an exclamation mark, to which I appear to have given the name of ‘Golal-usop’:
⟨a á à ã â ä b c ç d e é è ê ë f g h i í ì î ï j k l m n ñ o ó ò õ ô ö p q r s t u ú ù û ü v w x y z ă ą ę ů !⟩
Next is one called Lagemen, which appears to have a bunch of stroked letters and carons, as well as one letter with three allographs:
⟨a ā b b̌ ɓ c č ç ċ d đ ď e ē f g ġ h ȟ ħ i ī j ɉ k ǩ l ł ĺ ľ ̦l m n o ō ø p ҏ q ɋ r ɍ s t ƭ u ū v w/vv/v·v x y z ż⟩
The next alphabet is one I appear to have called Huvash/Hövax (some of them seem to have two or more names, for no apparent reason):
⟨a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z ỉ ſ ß ç ü ö ŏ ħ ă⟩
The last four alphabets are the most truly horrifying ones. In Zarhev, I appear to have mixed Latin and Cyrillic indiscriminately and in no particular order:
⟨ə a ư u χ ð ā Љ ŋ ī i þ ř b ġ ģ ĵ œ ſ ţ j ý y ß æ њ ђ и h й ж ž џ б p⟩
(Yes, that’s the order I originally listed the letters in.)
Kṣamba Ałfabèt uses some, well… unusual digraphs and letters:
⟨a à ã ą b b̊ ȸ c ć d ď e è ę é ê ë f ƒ g ġ ĝ ƣ h ȟ ı i j k ǩ l ľ/ł m n ŋ ɲ ƞ ñ hn hŋ hɲ hƞ hñ nh ŋh ƞh ñh o ó õ p q ɋ ȹ r ŕ ṙ s ș t ŧ u ü ú v w ẁ ẅ x y z ż ź ʒ ǯ⟩
The weirdest thing about this one is actually its capitals: I seem to have decreed that for this one, the capital of ⟨ȸ ȹ⟩ should be ⟨B̼ Q̊⟩ respectively.
Olinianese is another one which mixes Latin, Cyrillic — and also apparently Greek and some punctuation, this time — in no particular order:
⟨ĝ þ ð ā o ß ô ŏ ċ ő œ § ø æ ă ą ċ č ė ę ě ġ ĥ ħ ĩ į ij ĵ ķ ĺ ļ ľ ŀ ł ņ ŋ ŏ ő ſ β δ γ λ θ ε η μ ν χ σ τ υ φ ђ є е ҝ ө щ ш ч џ я ц ъ ь ю ж б в г⟩
Finally, the most horrifying one of the lot is Khn̍i͞ama/Kḧamna/Kẍhnim̩sxanxza (three names this time!):
⟨a b ɓ ƀ ᴃ ᵬ ᶀ c ċ ̦c ć d ḋ e ė f g h ḧ ı i ȷ j k k̗ ᶄ l ŀ ŀl ᶅ m ṁ μ ᶆ n ŋ ᶇ ᶇ̇ ᶇ͝ ᶇ͡ ᶇ͞͝ o ǫ ǭ p ᶈ q q̈ ɋ r ᶉ s ſ ʃ ß t ṫ tͦ u uͧ v w x ẍ y ÿ z ȥ ƶ ƣ ƣ̈ ƣͬ ʔ⟩
But the most truly horrifying thing about this one is the set of diacritics, which apparently may be applied to any letter:
⟨◌̄ ◌͞◌ ◌ͣ ◌ͨ ◌ͩ ◌ͤ ◌ͪ ◌ͥ ◌ͫ ◌ͦ ◌ͬ ◌ͭ ◌ͯ ◌ͣͦ ◌ͦͬ ◌̨ ◌̸ ◌́ ◌̍⟩
(I appear to have added a footnote to this one: ‘Some diacritics cannot be put over letters that have the same diacritics like ͬ cannot be put over ƣͬ.’ As I said, I was about 7 years old at the time.)
Needless to say, I will be very, very impressed if anyone manages to get a plausible phonetic inventory out of these last few alphabets.
(Also, one final note: at the time, my ultimate goal was to make a con-script which would be good enough to be able to submit to Omniglot. I never did make one which I was that happy with, but I suppose I should be pleased that at least I finally got to post these alphabets to the ZBB! (Even if it’s only to talk about how horrible they were…))
Now, I mention this because while poking around some old files on my computer earlier today, I stumbled across the directory where I saved all these alphabets so long ago. And, although some of them are normal enough, most of them are really, really, horrifyingly weird. (No, this isn’t an exaggeration; see below for examples.) In fact, some of the alphabets I made seem so unusual that, after I saw them, I would have sworn I was hallucinating when I made them, but for the fact that I have no memory of hallucinations as a younger child. And thus I decided to put them on this thread, in the hope that someone here is able to make sense out of any of them. Actually, these alphabets are so horrifyingly weird that I will phrase this as a challenge: I challenge you to reverse romanize any one of the alphabets below and get a sensible result. (I will be fairly surprised if anyone manages to do this for some of the more complicated alphabets.)
I suppose that I should go through the alphabets now; I’ll do it going roughly from least to most weird. Firstly, the least weird of the bunch is one which I appear to have called Molero Asreri. (Yes, they seem to have names; no, I have no idea where I got the names from.) The only real complication with this one is that each vowel can be modified by any one of four diacritics:
⟨a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z á é í ó ú à è ì ò ù â ê î ô û ä ë ï ö ü⟩
The next most weird is named Losen Yu. This has a couple of diacritics more than the previous one. It also seems to have an exclamation mark, to which I appear to have given the name of ‘Golal-usop’:
⟨a á à ã â ä b c ç d e é è ê ë f g h i í ì î ï j k l m n ñ o ó ò õ ô ö p q r s t u ú ù û ü v w x y z ă ą ę ů !⟩
Next is one called Lagemen, which appears to have a bunch of stroked letters and carons, as well as one letter with three allographs:
⟨a ā b b̌ ɓ c č ç ċ d đ ď e ē f g ġ h ȟ ħ i ī j ɉ k ǩ l ł ĺ ľ ̦l m n o ō ø p ҏ q ɋ r ɍ s t ƭ u ū v w/vv/v·v x y z ż⟩
The next alphabet is one I appear to have called Huvash/Hövax (some of them seem to have two or more names, for no apparent reason):
⟨a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z ỉ ſ ß ç ü ö ŏ ħ ă⟩
The last four alphabets are the most truly horrifying ones. In Zarhev, I appear to have mixed Latin and Cyrillic indiscriminately and in no particular order:
⟨ə a ư u χ ð ā Љ ŋ ī i þ ř b ġ ģ ĵ œ ſ ţ j ý y ß æ њ ђ и h й ж ž џ б p⟩
(Yes, that’s the order I originally listed the letters in.)
Kṣamba Ałfabèt uses some, well… unusual digraphs and letters:
⟨a à ã ą b b̊ ȸ c ć d ď e è ę é ê ë f ƒ g ġ ĝ ƣ h ȟ ı i j k ǩ l ľ/ł m n ŋ ɲ ƞ ñ hn hŋ hɲ hƞ hñ nh ŋh ƞh ñh o ó õ p q ɋ ȹ r ŕ ṙ s ș t ŧ u ü ú v w ẁ ẅ x y z ż ź ʒ ǯ⟩
The weirdest thing about this one is actually its capitals: I seem to have decreed that for this one, the capital of ⟨ȸ ȹ⟩ should be ⟨B̼ Q̊⟩ respectively.
Olinianese is another one which mixes Latin, Cyrillic — and also apparently Greek and some punctuation, this time — in no particular order:
⟨ĝ þ ð ā o ß ô ŏ ċ ő œ § ø æ ă ą ċ č ė ę ě ġ ĥ ħ ĩ į ij ĵ ķ ĺ ļ ľ ŀ ł ņ ŋ ŏ ő ſ β δ γ λ θ ε η μ ν χ σ τ υ φ ђ є е ҝ ө щ ш ч џ я ц ъ ь ю ж б в г⟩
Finally, the most horrifying one of the lot is Khn̍i͞ama/Kḧamna/Kẍhnim̩sxanxza (three names this time!):
⟨a b ɓ ƀ ᴃ ᵬ ᶀ c ċ ̦c ć d ḋ e ė f g h ḧ ı i ȷ j k k̗ ᶄ l ŀ ŀl ᶅ m ṁ μ ᶆ n ŋ ᶇ ᶇ̇ ᶇ͝ ᶇ͡ ᶇ͞͝ o ǫ ǭ p ᶈ q q̈ ɋ r ᶉ s ſ ʃ ß t ṫ tͦ u uͧ v w x ẍ y ÿ z ȥ ƶ ƣ ƣ̈ ƣͬ ʔ⟩
But the most truly horrifying thing about this one is the set of diacritics, which apparently may be applied to any letter:
⟨◌̄ ◌͞◌ ◌ͣ ◌ͨ ◌ͩ ◌ͤ ◌ͪ ◌ͥ ◌ͫ ◌ͦ ◌ͬ ◌ͭ ◌ͯ ◌ͣͦ ◌ͦͬ ◌̨ ◌̸ ◌́ ◌̍⟩
(I appear to have added a footnote to this one: ‘Some diacritics cannot be put over letters that have the same diacritics like ͬ cannot be put over ƣͬ.’ As I said, I was about 7 years old at the time.)
Needless to say, I will be very, very impressed if anyone manages to get a plausible phonetic inventory out of these last few alphabets.
(Also, one final note: at the time, my ultimate goal was to make a con-script which would be good enough to be able to submit to Omniglot. I never did make one which I was that happy with, but I suppose I should be pleased that at least I finally got to post these alphabets to the ZBB! (Even if it’s only to talk about how horrible they were…))
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z á é í ó ú à è ì ò ù â ê î ô û ä ë ï ö ü
/p t ʦ k ʔ/ <p t c k q>
/b d ʣ ɡ/ <b d j g>
/m n/ <m n>
/f s x h/ <f s x h>
/v z/ <v z>
/w r l j/ <w r l y>
/ā ē ī ō ū/ <a e i o u> (vowels have mid tone by default)
/á à â ǎ/ <á à â ä>
a á à ã â ä b c ç d e é è ê ë f g h i í ì î ï j k l m n ñ o ó ò õ ô ö p q r s t u ú ù û ü v w x y z ă ą ę ů !
/p t c k q ʔ/ <p t c k q !>
/b d ɟ ɡ ɢ/ <b d j g ç>
/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/f s χ h/ <f s x h>
/v z/ <v z>
/w r l j/ <w r l y>
/ā ē ī ō ū/ <a e i o u> (vowels have mid tone by default)
/á à â ǎ/ <á à â ä>
there are also some nasal vowels and some vowels that can't take tone:
/ã́ ã̀ ẽ̀ ṍ ə ɨ/ <ã ą ę õ ă ů>
/p t ʦ k ʔ/ <p t c k q>
/b d ʣ ɡ/ <b d j g>
/m n/ <m n>
/f s x h/ <f s x h>
/v z/ <v z>
/w r l j/ <w r l y>
/ā ē ī ō ū/ <a e i o u> (vowels have mid tone by default)
/á à â ǎ/ <á à â ä>
a á à ã â ä b c ç d e é è ê ë f g h i í ì î ï j k l m n ñ o ó ò õ ô ö p q r s t u ú ù û ü v w x y z ă ą ę ů !
/p t c k q ʔ/ <p t c k q !>
/b d ɟ ɡ ɢ/ <b d j g ç>
/m n ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/f s χ h/ <f s x h>
/v z/ <v z>
/w r l j/ <w r l y>
/ā ē ī ō ū/ <a e i o u> (vowels have mid tone by default)
/á à â ǎ/ <á à â ä>
there are also some nasal vowels and some vowels that can't take tone:
/ã́ ã̀ ẽ̀ ṍ ə ɨ/ <ã ą ę õ ă ů>
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
Ok I’ll do the others.
1
⟨a ā b b̌ ɓ c č ç ċ d đ ď e ē f g ġ h ȟ ħ i ī j ɉ k ǩ l ł ĺ ľ ̦l m n o ō ø p ҏ q ɋ r ɍ s t ƭ u ū v w/vv/v·v x y z ż⟩
/a aː b bʲ ɓ ʦ ʧ ʤ ʣ d ð ɟ e eː f g ɠ h ç x i iː j ʝ k c l ɬ ɮ ʎ ʕˡ m n o oː øː p pʲ q qʲ r r̝ s t t̺ u uː v β æː yː z ʒ/
2
⟨a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z ỉ ſ ß ç ü ö ŏ ħ ă⟩
/a b ʦ d ɤ f g x ɨ ʤ k l m n o p ʧ r s t u β w ʃ j z ɪ ʕ θ ʒ y ø ɔ h ɛ~æ/
3
⟨ə a ư u χ ð ā Љ ŋ ī i þ ř b ġ ģ ĵ œ ſ ţ j ý y ß æ њ ђ и h й ж ž џ б p⟩
(Yes, that’s the order I originally listed the letters in.)
/ə a ɯ u x ð aː ʎ ŋ iː i θ ʀ b g ʕ ɟ ɶ ʂ ʈ ʒ ɥ j s ɛ ɲ ʤ ɨ h i̯ ʒ z ʥ ɓ r/
4
⟨a à ã ą b b̊ ȸ c ć d ď e è ę é ê ë f ƒ g ġ ĝ ƣ h ȟ ı i j k ǩ l ľ/ł m n ŋ ɲ ƞ ñ hn hŋ hɲ hƞ hñ nh ŋh ƞh ñh o ó õ p q ɋ ȹ r ŕ ṙ s ș t ŧ u ü ú v w ẁ ẅ x y z ż ź ʒ ǯ⟩
The weirdest thing about this one is actually its capitals: I seem to have decreed that for this one, the capital of ⟨ȸ ȹ⟩ should be ⟨B̼ Q̊⟩ respectively.
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/ m n ƞ ɲ ŋ ñ
/p t c k q/ p t c k q
/b d ɟ g ɢ/ b d j g ƣ
/ɓ ɠ ʛ/ b̊ ġ ɋ
/ɸ f v θ ð θ̪͆ ɦ̪͆ s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ ƒ f v ŧ ď ż ȟ s z ş ź x ĝ h
/k͝p g͝b/ ȸ ȹ
/ʦ ʧ ʣ ʤ/ ć ǩ ʒ ǯ
/l ʎ j ɥ ɰ w/ l ľ/ł y ẅ ẁ w
/ɾ ɽ/ r ṙ
/r̝/ ŕ
/i y ɯ u e ɤ o ɜ a/ i ü ı u e ë o ê a
Ogonek indicates nasality, tilde is creaky Voice, acute is high, grave is low, no accent is mid.
5
⟨ĝ þ ð ā o ß ô ŏ ċ ő œ § ø æ ă ą ċ č ė ę ě ġ ĥ ħ ĩ į ij ĵ ķ ĺ ļ ľ ŀ ł ņ ŋ ŏ ő ſ β δ γ λ θ ε η μ ν χ σ τ υ φ ђ є е ҝ ө щ ш ч џ я ц ъ ь ю ж б в г⟩
/ʕ θ ð aː o ʃ oː ɔ ɕ ø œ ʡ ɜː æ ə ɛ ɕ ʧ ɝ e ɪ g h ɦ x i ɿ ɔɪ̯ j k l ɭ ɮ ɬ ɫ ʎ ɲ ŋ o ɔː s sː ɓ ɗ ɠ ʄ ʛ ʕ ɘ ɧ ɦ ʒ ɵ ɶ ɶː ʒː ʒʷ ʥ ʤ ʥʷ ʤʷ ʔ ɖ ʅ ɨː ʉ̆̊ v̴ gʱɬ bʱ dʱ gɬ gʱ/
6
Sorry.
I’ll have to let someone else do this, it’s too tough!
⟨a b ɓ ƀ ᴃ ᵬ ᶀ c ċ ̦c ć d ḋ e ė f g h ḧ ı i ȷ j k k̗ ᶄ l ŀ ŀl ᶅ m ṁ μ ᶆ n ŋ ᶇ ᶇ̇ ᶇ͝ ᶇ͡ ᶇ͞͝ o ǫ ǭ p ᶈ q q̈ ɋ r ᶉ s ſ ʃ ß t ṫ tͦ u uͧ v w x ẍ y ÿ z ȥ ƶ ƣ ƣ̈ ƣͬ ʔ⟩
But the most truly horrifying thing about this one is the set of diacritics, which apparently may be applied to any letter:
⟨◌̄ ◌͞◌ ◌ͣ ◌ͨ ◌ͩ ◌ͤ ◌ͪ ◌ͥ ◌ͫ ◌ͦ ◌ͬ ◌ͭ ◌ͯ ◌ͣͦ ◌ͦͬ ◌̨ ◌̸ ◌́ ◌̍⟩
P.s.
I used to do this too at 9-10 years old!
1
⟨a ā b b̌ ɓ c č ç ċ d đ ď e ē f g ġ h ȟ ħ i ī j ɉ k ǩ l ł ĺ ľ ̦l m n o ō ø p ҏ q ɋ r ɍ s t ƭ u ū v w/vv/v·v x y z ż⟩
/a aː b bʲ ɓ ʦ ʧ ʤ ʣ d ð ɟ e eː f g ɠ h ç x i iː j ʝ k c l ɬ ɮ ʎ ʕˡ m n o oː øː p pʲ q qʲ r r̝ s t t̺ u uː v β æː yː z ʒ/
2
⟨a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z ỉ ſ ß ç ü ö ŏ ħ ă⟩
/a b ʦ d ɤ f g x ɨ ʤ k l m n o p ʧ r s t u β w ʃ j z ɪ ʕ θ ʒ y ø ɔ h ɛ~æ/
3
⟨ə a ư u χ ð ā Љ ŋ ī i þ ř b ġ ģ ĵ œ ſ ţ j ý y ß æ њ ђ и h й ж ž џ б p⟩
(Yes, that’s the order I originally listed the letters in.)
/ə a ɯ u x ð aː ʎ ŋ iː i θ ʀ b g ʕ ɟ ɶ ʂ ʈ ʒ ɥ j s ɛ ɲ ʤ ɨ h i̯ ʒ z ʥ ɓ r/
4
⟨a à ã ą b b̊ ȸ c ć d ď e è ę é ê ë f ƒ g ġ ĝ ƣ h ȟ ı i j k ǩ l ľ/ł m n ŋ ɲ ƞ ñ hn hŋ hɲ hƞ hñ nh ŋh ƞh ñh o ó õ p q ɋ ȹ r ŕ ṙ s ș t ŧ u ü ú v w ẁ ẅ x y z ż ź ʒ ǯ⟩
The weirdest thing about this one is actually its capitals: I seem to have decreed that for this one, the capital of ⟨ȸ ȹ⟩ should be ⟨B̼ Q̊⟩ respectively.
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/ m n ƞ ɲ ŋ ñ
/p t c k q/ p t c k q
/b d ɟ g ɢ/ b d j g ƣ
/ɓ ɠ ʛ/ b̊ ġ ɋ
/ɸ f v θ ð θ̪͆ ɦ̪͆ s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h/ ƒ f v ŧ ď ż ȟ s z ş ź x ĝ h
/k͝p g͝b/ ȸ ȹ
/ʦ ʧ ʣ ʤ/ ć ǩ ʒ ǯ
/l ʎ j ɥ ɰ w/ l ľ/ł y ẅ ẁ w
/ɾ ɽ/ r ṙ
/r̝/ ŕ
/i y ɯ u e ɤ o ɜ a/ i ü ı u e ë o ê a
Ogonek indicates nasality, tilde is creaky Voice, acute is high, grave is low, no accent is mid.
5
⟨ĝ þ ð ā o ß ô ŏ ċ ő œ § ø æ ă ą ċ č ė ę ě ġ ĥ ħ ĩ į ij ĵ ķ ĺ ļ ľ ŀ ł ņ ŋ ŏ ő ſ β δ γ λ θ ε η μ ν χ σ τ υ φ ђ є е ҝ ө щ ш ч џ я ц ъ ь ю ж б в г⟩
/ʕ θ ð aː o ʃ oː ɔ ɕ ø œ ʡ ɜː æ ə ɛ ɕ ʧ ɝ e ɪ g h ɦ x i ɿ ɔɪ̯ j k l ɭ ɮ ɬ ɫ ʎ ɲ ŋ o ɔː s sː ɓ ɗ ɠ ʄ ʛ ʕ ɘ ɧ ɦ ʒ ɵ ɶ ɶː ʒː ʒʷ ʥ ʤ ʥʷ ʤʷ ʔ ɖ ʅ ɨː ʉ̆̊ v̴ gʱɬ bʱ dʱ gɬ gʱ/
6
Sorry.
I’ll have to let someone else do this, it’s too tough!
⟨a b ɓ ƀ ᴃ ᵬ ᶀ c ċ ̦c ć d ḋ e ė f g h ḧ ı i ȷ j k k̗ ᶄ l ŀ ŀl ᶅ m ṁ μ ᶆ n ŋ ᶇ ᶇ̇ ᶇ͝ ᶇ͡ ᶇ͞͝ o ǫ ǭ p ᶈ q q̈ ɋ r ᶉ s ſ ʃ ß t ṫ tͦ u uͧ v w x ẍ y ÿ z ȥ ƶ ƣ ƣ̈ ƣͬ ʔ⟩
But the most truly horrifying thing about this one is the set of diacritics, which apparently may be applied to any letter:
⟨◌̄ ◌͞◌ ◌ͣ ◌ͨ ◌ͩ ◌ͤ ◌ͪ ◌ͥ ◌ͫ ◌ͦ ◌ͬ ◌ͭ ◌ͯ ◌ͣͦ ◌ͦͬ ◌̨ ◌̸ ◌́ ◌̍⟩
P.s.
I used to do this too at 9-10 years old!
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
I am very impressed that you managed to do so many of those! Even if some of those phonemic inventories don’t make terribly much sense (I think 3 must be the most asymmetrical one I’ve ever seen!), I doubt it would be possible to do better.
Quick question on this: since the bridge diacritic is dental when placed either above or below, how come you use both redundantly here?
It’s nice to know I wasn’t the only one!
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
The bridge above and below is for interdental.bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:33 pm I am very impressed that you managed to do so many of those! Even if some of those phonemic inventories don’t make terribly much sense (I think 3 must be the most asymmetrical one I’ve ever seen!), I doubt it would be possible to do better.
Quick question on this: since the bridge diacritic is dental when placed either above or below, how come you use both redundantly here?
It’s nice to know I wasn’t the only one!
and yeah. I used to make all sorts of short lived conlangs.
When I first started making them they were relexes for half and half were a priori or a posteriori.
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
I haven’t seen that convention before — thanks for telling me about it!
I never even got that far… I never saw the need for such unimportant things like words and grammar, I just put a bunch of letters together in what I thought looked like an interesting way, and then I moved on to the next one.and yeah. I used to make all sorts of short lived conlangs.
When I first started making them they were relexes for half and half were a priori or a posteriori.
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
I was looking for whoever left off last since I was considering posting something for this. But it doesn't seem like there's one that hasn't been answered unless I missed something, and this hasn't been added to for more than a week. I'll add a new challenge.
⟨a aa b c d dh e ee g h hh i ii j k l m n o oo p q r s sh t th u uu v w x y z zh⟩
The only thing I'm noting is that it's for a book, intended to be read by English speakers but the "proper pronunciations" can be outside L1 monolingual English speaker comfort range if it makes sense/is more fun.
Here are some possible names:
Qyumzi, Guzyan, Zeke, Ekaril, Thodrasel, Anja, Ulatri, Odmodi, Syaatu, Izhori, Kalon, Kiara, Cadogan, Inias, Iahhel, Lavina, Habriel, Iaoth, Unqou, Xusu, Raxaqosh, Hiqoth, Jagraku
⟨a aa b c d dh e ee g h hh i ii j k l m n o oo p q r s sh t th u uu v w x y z zh⟩
The only thing I'm noting is that it's for a book, intended to be read by English speakers but the "proper pronunciations" can be outside L1 monolingual English speaker comfort range if it makes sense/is more fun.
Here are some possible names:
Qyumzi, Guzyan, Zeke, Ekaril, Thodrasel, Anja, Ulatri, Odmodi, Syaatu, Izhori, Kalon, Kiara, Cadogan, Inias, Iahhel, Lavina, Habriel, Iaoth, Unqou, Xusu, Raxaqosh, Hiqoth, Jagraku
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
⟨a aa b c d dh e ee g h hh i ii j k l m n o oo p q r s sh t th u uu v w x y z zh⟩
/a aː b c d ð e eː g h x i iː ɟ k l m n o oː p q r s ʃ t θ u uː v w χ j z ʒ/
Went with palatal stops rather than affricates for ⟨c j⟩ because if the orthography caters to English speakers I would expect /tʃ/ to be ⟨ch⟩.
/a aː b c d ð e eː g h x i iː ɟ k l m n o oː p q r s ʃ t θ u uː v w χ j z ʒ/
Went with palatal stops rather than affricates for ⟨c j⟩ because if the orthography caters to English speakers I would expect /tʃ/ to be ⟨ch⟩.
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
My last challenge here (the one named ‘Kḧamna’) was never solved. But by now I’m convinced that it’s impossible to solve anyway.linguistcat wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 8:36 pm I was looking for whoever left off last since I was considering posting something for this. But it doesn't seem like there's one that hasn't been answered unless I missed something, and this hasn't been added to for more than a week.
I can see two possibilities. Here’s a less English-like one:⟨a aa b c d dh e ee g h hh i ii j k l m n o oo p q r s sh t th u uu v w x y z zh⟩
The only thing I'm noting is that it's for a book, intended to be read by English speakers but the "proper pronunciations" can be outside L1 monolingual English speaker comfort range if it makes sense/is more fun.
⟨a aa e ee i ii o oo u uu⟩ /a aː e eː i iː o oː u uː/
⟨m n⟩ /m n/
⟨p t c k q x⟩ /p t tʃ k q ʔ/
⟨b d j g⟩ /b d dʒ ɡ/
⟨th s sh hh h⟩ /θ s ʃ ħ h/
⟨v dh z zh⟩ /v ð z ʒ/
⟨r l y w⟩ /r l j w/
And a more English-like one:
⟨a aa e ee i ii o oo u uu⟩ /æ ɑː ɛ iː ɪ a͡i ɔ uː ʊ i͡u/
⟨m n⟩ /m n/
⟨p t c k q⟩ /p t tʃ k q/
⟨b d z j g⟩ /b d dz dʒ ɡ/
⟨th s sh hh h⟩ /θ s ʃ ħ h/
⟨v dh x zh⟩ /v ð z ʒ/
⟨r l y w⟩ /ɹ l j w/
⟨i⟩ /j/ (before vowels)
And here’s your names in both interpretations:
Qyumzi, Guzyan, Zeke, Ekaril, Thodrasel, Anja, Ulatri, Odmodi, Syaatu, Izhori, Kalon, Kiara, Cadogan, Inias, Iahhel, Lavina, Habriel, Iaoth, Unqou, Xusu, Raxaqosh, Hiqoth, Jagraku
/qjumzi ɡuzjan zeke ekaril θodrasel and͡ʒa ulatri odmodi sjaːtu iʒori kalon ki.ara t͡ʃadogan ini.as i.aħel lavina habri.el i.a.oθ unqo.u ʔusu raʔaqoʃ hiqoθ d͡ʒaɡraku/
/qjʊmd͡zɪ ɡʊd͡zjæn d͡zɛkɛ ɛkæɹɪl θɔdɹæsɛl ænd͡ʒæ ʊlætɹɪ ɔdmɔdɪ sjɑːtʊ ɪʒɔɹɪ kælɔn kjæɹæ t͡ʃædɔɡæn ɪnjæs jæħɛl lævɪnæ hæbɹjɛl jæ.ɔθ ʊnqɔ.ʊ zʊsʊ ɹæzæqɔʃ hɪqɔθ d͡ʒæɡrækʊ/
However, if you want to use these names in a book, I have an awful feeling that no matter what you do, your readers will end up saying the names like this:
/ˈkjʊmziː ˈgʌzjən ziːk ˈe͡ikəɹɪl θo͡uˈd͡ʒɹe͡izl̩ ˈænd͡ʒʌ juːˈlɑːt͡ʃɹiː ɒdˈmo͡udi ˈsjɑːtuː ɪzˈhɒɹiː ˈke͡ilən kiˈɑːɹə ˈkædəɡən ˈɪnjəs ˈje͡ihəl ləˈviːnʌ ˈhæbɹi.el ˈa͡ijæ͡uθ ˈʌŋkuː ˈzuːsuː ˈɹæksəkɒʃ ˈha͡ikɒθ ˈd͡ʒæɡɹækuː/
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
So apparently people want the graphemes in alphabetical order for extra challenge? Fine, I say!
a b c cq d dh dc e f g h i j k kq m n nj ñ o p pq q r s sh t th tq thq u w y
a b c cq d dh dc e f g h i j k kq m n nj ñ o p pq q r s sh t th tq thq u w y
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
But of course! It’s far too easy when you give them in phonetic order.
⟨a e i o u y⟩ /a e i o u y/
⟨m n nj ñ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p th t c k q⟩ /p t̪ t c k ʔ/
⟨pq thq tq cq kq⟩ /pʼ t̪ʼ tʼ cʼ kʼ/
⟨b dh d dc g⟩ /b d̪ d ɟ ɡ/
⟨f s sh h⟩ /f s ʃ h/
⟨r j w⟩ /r j w/
I’m not too sure about ⟨y nj ñ dc j⟩, but I’m pretty confident that I’ve got the rest right.
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
What the hell, let's do Kḧamna.
Vowel phonemes:
‹a e ė ı i o ǫ u› /a ə e ɨ i o ɒ u/
Consonant phonemes:
‹p b ɓ m f v› /p b ɓ m f v/
‹ᶈ ᶀ ᶆ ᴃ› /pʲ bʲ mʲ vʲ/ (no ˣfʲ as an accidental gap)
‹ṫ t d ḋ ſ z n l ŀl r› /tʼ t d ɗ s z n l ɫ ɾ/
‹ċ c s ƶ› /tʃʼ tʃ ʃ ʒ/
‹ć ᶄ ȷ j ʃ ȥ ᶇ ᶅ ᶉ y› /cʼ c ɟ ʄ ɕ ʑ ɲ ʎ ɾʲ j/
‹q k g ɋ x ƣ ŋ ÿ w› /kʼ k g ɠ x ɣ ŋ ɰ w/
‹q̈ ẍ ƣ̈› /qʼ χ ʁ/
‹ḧ ƣͬ h ʔ› /ħ ʕ h ʔ/
Tone (on vowels or floating on coda consonants):
‹◌̨ ◌̄ ◌́› /˩ ˥ ˨˥/, mid /˧/ unwritten
‹◌͞◌› is an orthographic convention for two high tones in a row or, if extended on a syllable-initial consonant, for high tone on ‹ǭ› (thus ‹mǭ› /mo˧/ but ‹m͞ǫ› /mo˥/).
Morphophonological / etymological graphemes:
‹ǭ› = /o/ from earlier long *ɒː
‹k̗ μ› = /cʼ j/ from palatalization of /kʼ w/
‹ƀ ᵬ› = /v vʲ/ from lenition of /b bʲ/; lenition otherwise marked ‹◌̸›
‹ṁ ŀ ᶇ̇ ᶇ̆ ᶇ̑ ᶇ̄̆› = syllable-final /w~∅ ɰ ∅ j w ɰ/ from vocalization of earlier *m *ɫ *ɲ *ŋ under various conditions (the last two spelled the same), e.g. ‹aᶇ̇ ėᶇ̆ oᶇ̑ eᶇ̄̆› = /a ej ow əɰ/
Morphological graphemes:
‹◌ͣ ◌ͨ ◌ͩ ◌ͤ ◌ͪ ◌ͥ ◌ͫ ◌ͦ ◌ͬ ◌ͭ ◌ͯ ◌ͣͦ ◌ͦͬ› for inflectional endings /-a -tʃ -d -e -h -i -m -o -r -t -x -oa -ro/, added on the last segment of the stem.
‹ß tͦ uͧ› for the prepositions /sɨ to uw/.
edit: removed duplicate /χ/
Vowel phonemes:
‹a e ė ı i o ǫ u› /a ə e ɨ i o ɒ u/
Consonant phonemes:
‹p b ɓ m f v› /p b ɓ m f v/
‹ᶈ ᶀ ᶆ ᴃ› /pʲ bʲ mʲ vʲ/ (no ˣfʲ as an accidental gap)
‹ṫ t d ḋ ſ z n l ŀl r› /tʼ t d ɗ s z n l ɫ ɾ/
‹ċ c s ƶ› /tʃʼ tʃ ʃ ʒ/
‹ć ᶄ ȷ j ʃ ȥ ᶇ ᶅ ᶉ y› /cʼ c ɟ ʄ ɕ ʑ ɲ ʎ ɾʲ j/
‹q k g ɋ x ƣ ŋ ÿ w› /kʼ k g ɠ x ɣ ŋ ɰ w/
‹q̈ ẍ ƣ̈› /qʼ χ ʁ/
‹ḧ ƣͬ h ʔ› /ħ ʕ h ʔ/
Tone (on vowels or floating on coda consonants):
‹◌̨ ◌̄ ◌́› /˩ ˥ ˨˥/, mid /˧/ unwritten
‹◌͞◌› is an orthographic convention for two high tones in a row or, if extended on a syllable-initial consonant, for high tone on ‹ǭ› (thus ‹mǭ› /mo˧/ but ‹m͞ǫ› /mo˥/).
Morphophonological / etymological graphemes:
‹ǭ› = /o/ from earlier long *ɒː
‹k̗ μ› = /cʼ j/ from palatalization of /kʼ w/
‹ƀ ᵬ› = /v vʲ/ from lenition of /b bʲ/; lenition otherwise marked ‹◌̸›
‹ṁ ŀ ᶇ̇ ᶇ̆ ᶇ̑ ᶇ̄̆› = syllable-final /w~∅ ɰ ∅ j w ɰ/ from vocalization of earlier *m *ɫ *ɲ *ŋ under various conditions (the last two spelled the same), e.g. ‹aᶇ̇ ėᶇ̆ oᶇ̑ eᶇ̄̆› = /a ej ow əɰ/
Morphological graphemes:
‹◌ͣ ◌ͨ ◌ͩ ◌ͤ ◌ͪ ◌ͥ ◌ͫ ◌ͦ ◌ͬ ◌ͭ ◌ͯ ◌ͣͦ ◌ͦͬ› for inflectional endings /-a -tʃ -d -e -h -i -m -o -r -t -x -oa -ro/, added on the last segment of the stem.
‹ß tͦ uͧ› for the prepositions /sɨ to uw/.
edit: removed duplicate /χ/
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
I actually can’t believe that you managed to find a solution for that romanization. Not only that, you actually did it in a way that makes sense! I am seriously impressed — well done on figuring out a solution!
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
Well damn, you nailed it! Good job! Only things different in the actual phonology are the palatals being actually postalveolar affricates and <y> being the mid high vowel.bradrn wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 10:08 amBut of course! It’s far too easy when you give them in phonetic order.
⟨a e i o u y⟩ /a e i o u y/
⟨m n nj ñ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p th t c k q⟩ /p t̪ t c k ʔ/
⟨pq thq tq cq kq⟩ /pʼ t̪ʼ tʼ cʼ kʼ/
⟨b dh d dc g⟩ /b d̪ d ɟ ɡ/
⟨f s sh h⟩ /f s ʃ h/
⟨r j w⟩ /r j w/
I’m not too sure about ⟨y nj ñ dc j⟩, but I’m pretty confident that I’ve got the rest right.
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
Here’s another few
Pheasanti
Some characters have multiple spellings
a ā b d dy/gy/j e ē f g h i ī k ky/ty/c l ly m n ng ny o ō p r s sy/sh t u ū ü û v w y z zy/zh ə ə̄ ʌ ʌ̄
Robiin
a à b c ç d ḑ e f g ģ h i j k l ł ļ m n ñ o ò p r s ş t u ù v w y z z̧ ‘ ʒ
Plymouth
a ā b ƀ č d đ e ē g ǥ h i ī ǰ k l ɬ m n ŋ ŋ̇ o ō p r s š t ϑ u ū v v̄ w w̄ y ȳ z ž ˀ ˁ
Cotaili
a ā ä â b c č d e ē f g h i ī j k l ł m n ŋ ñ o ō ö ô p r s š t u ū ü û v w x y ẏ z ž ɣ
Fake Spanish (has nothing to do with Spanish whatsoever including orthogaphy)
a æ b c č d ď e ǝ ɛ f g ǧ h i ï j k ǩ l ľ m n ň ŋ o œ ɔ p q r ř s š t ť u ü ʉ ʊ ʌ v ʋ w ꞷ x ẍ y ȳ z ž
Pheasanti
Some characters have multiple spellings
a ā b d dy/gy/j e ē f g h i ī k ky/ty/c l ly m n ng ny o ō p r s sy/sh t u ū ü û v w y z zy/zh ə ə̄ ʌ ʌ̄
Robiin
a à b c ç d ḑ e f g ģ h i j k l ł ļ m n ñ o ò p r s ş t u ù v w y z z̧ ‘ ʒ
Plymouth
a ā b ƀ č d đ e ē g ǥ h i ī ǰ k l ɬ m n ŋ ŋ̇ o ō p r s š t ϑ u ū v v̄ w w̄ y ȳ z ž ˀ ˁ
Cotaili
a ā ä â b c č d e ē f g h i ī j k l ł m n ŋ ñ o ō ö ô p r s š t u ū ü û v w x y ẏ z ž ɣ
Fake Spanish (has nothing to do with Spanish whatsoever including orthogaphy)
a æ b c č d ď e ǝ ɛ f g ǧ h i ï j k ǩ l ľ m n ň ŋ o œ ɔ p q r ř s š t ť u ü ʉ ʊ ʌ v ʋ w ꞷ x ẍ y ȳ z ž
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
Pheasanti:
⟨a e i o u ʌ ə ü⟩ /a e i o u ʌ ɤ ɯ/
⟨ā ē ī ō ū ʌ̄ ə̄ û⟩ /aː eː iː oː uː ʌː ɤː ɯː/
⟨m n ny ng⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t ky/ty/c k⟩ /p t c k/
⟨b d dy/gy/j g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨f s sy/sh h⟩ /f s ʃ~ɕ h/
⟨v z zy/zh⟩ /v z ʒ~ʑ/
⟨l ly⟩ /l ʎ/
⟨r y w⟩ /r j w/
Robiin:
⟨a e i o u à ò ù⟩ /a e i o u ʌ ɤ ɯ/
⟨m n ñ⟩ /m n ɲ/
⟨p t k ʻ⟩ /p t k ʔ/
⟨b d ḑ g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨c ç⟩ /t͡s t͡ʃ~t͡ɕ/
⟨j ʒ⟩ /d͡z d͡ʒ~d͡ʑ/
⟨f s ş h⟩ /f s ʃ~ɕ x/
⟨v z z̧ ģ⟩ /v z ʒ~ʑ ɣ/
⟨r y w⟩ /r j w/
⟨l ł ļ⟩ /l ɬ ʎ/
Will post the rest later when I get time to do them.
(By the way, I’m just wondering: where did you get the names from?)
⟨a e i o u ʌ ə ü⟩ /a e i o u ʌ ɤ ɯ/
⟨ā ē ī ō ū ʌ̄ ə̄ û⟩ /aː eː iː oː uː ʌː ɤː ɯː/
⟨m n ny ng⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t ky/ty/c k⟩ /p t c k/
⟨b d dy/gy/j g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨f s sy/sh h⟩ /f s ʃ~ɕ h/
⟨v z zy/zh⟩ /v z ʒ~ʑ/
⟨l ly⟩ /l ʎ/
⟨r y w⟩ /r j w/
Robiin:
⟨a e i o u à ò ù⟩ /a e i o u ʌ ɤ ɯ/
⟨m n ñ⟩ /m n ɲ/
⟨p t k ʻ⟩ /p t k ʔ/
⟨b d ḑ g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨c ç⟩ /t͡s t͡ʃ~t͡ɕ/
⟨j ʒ⟩ /d͡z d͡ʒ~d͡ʑ/
⟨f s ş h⟩ /f s ʃ~ɕ x/
⟨v z z̧ ģ⟩ /v z ʒ~ʑ ɣ/
⟨r y w⟩ /r j w/
⟨l ł ļ⟩ /l ɬ ʎ/
Will post the rest later when I get time to do them.
(By the way, I’m just wondering: where did you get the names from?)
Conlangs: Scratchpad | Texts | antilanguage
Software: See http://bradrn.com/projects.html
Other: Ergativity for Novices
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Software: See http://bradrn.com/projects.html
Other: Ergativity for Novices
(Why does phpBB not let me add >5 links here?)