Talskubilos wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:52 am
bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:38 pmThe closest match to
*don- is
really *ttsˀwǝ̄nHē? There truly isn’t
anything closer? (I’m not even sure where you’re getting that protoform from; that paper you linked has
*nə̄Hə̄cʼcʼwV.)
Starostin's notations are non-std, and in his NCED (originally coauthored with Nikolayev), he uses /
c̣_/ instead of /
cʼcʼ/. By this and other reasons, I prefer to use IPA symbols.
The proposed correspondence
*Hnēttsˀwǝ̄ (the updated protoform in the
NCED) ~ IE
*ned-o- leaves us with
*ttsˀ ~ IE
*d (apparently, there're no traces of the labial glide /
w/), which makes sense in the framework of the
glottalic theory. If this is correct, the metathesized variant
*ttsˀwǝ̄nHē would correspond to IE
*don-. However, regional IE
*yoini- (presumably a substrate loanword) would derive from the same etymology but with different sound correspondences: the initial affricate gave /
y-/ (as in other words) and apparently the labial glide gave /
o/.
Hmm, that argument is starting to make a bit more sense now. Though I’d feel a
lot more comfortable with it if I had a few more examples of that same purported
*ttsˀ ~
d correspondence. (I’d try finding some myself, except I have very limited knowledge of PIE.)
EDIT: By the way, I tried having a look at that database you linked, and some of that stuff is truly insane (and not in a good way either). For instance, here are some purported
‘long-range etymologies’:
Borean (approx.) : BVHV
Meaning : joy
Eurasiatic : *bVjV
Afroasiatic : *baH-
Reference : Suggested by V. Glumov.
Borean (approx.) : CV
Meaning : demonstrative pronoun
Eurasiatic : *sV
Afroasiatic : *šV 'he, that' (Sem., Eg., Cush.) + Eg. sw 'he, him', ECush *ʔis- 'self, oneself'
Sino-Caucasian : *[ź]V
Austric : PAN *si ia 'this, that'
Amerind (misc.) : *sa 'that' (R 740) [+ A]
Reference : ND 2006, 2135.
Borean (approx.) : CV
Meaning : you
Eurasiatic : *si
Sino-Caucasian : NC *źwV 'you' (pl.)
Austric : PAN *iSu 'thou', *Suʔu '2d sg. agent / possessor'
Amerind (misc.) : *Ci 'thou, you' (R 755 *ti) [+ K]
Personally, I don’t think a protoform of ‘CV’ inspires much confidence in this reconstruction, though clearly others find this sort of evidence convincing. I suspect a bad case of columbicubiculomania on the part of whoever compiled this list.