What's "gone" exactly? An unbroken streak? So what? This isn't Duolingo; in real life, there are no prizes awarded for something like that. That "five-year kale chip" is all in your head.
It means that if someone asks me how long I've been vegan, I can only say "one day", which hardly sounds impressive. There are plenty of people who are technically vegan for one day simply because they didn't feel like eating anything but plant-based foods that day. Putting it another way, if an alcoholic manages to stay sober for five years and then falls off the wagon, wouldn't you consider that a grave failure on their part?
This is ... not accurate though. You've been a vegan for 5+ years but recently mistakenly and accidentally ingested something non-vegan. You didn't intentionally eat something non-vegan. Even most religions with strict dietary codes make allowances for the occasional mistake or situations where you were forced by necessity to eat something against the code. Are you going to be stricter with yourself than all but the harshest religions? Or are you going to accept that you made a mistake and have otherwise been a "devout" vegan, and jump back on the dietary horse?malloc wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:45 pmIt means that if someone asks me how long I've been vegan, I can only say "one day", which hardly sounds impressive. There are plenty of people who are technically vegan for one day simply because they didn't feel like eating anything but plant-based foods that day. Putting it another way, if an alcoholic manages to stay sober for five years and then falls off the wagon, wouldn't you consider that a grave failure on their part?
Sure, but leaving Judaism is considerably harder than leaving veganism, regardless of how much you violate Jewish dietary laws. Currently those five years count for nothing, at least for defining myself as vegan. I might as well have eaten nothing but foie gras and ortolan buntings for all the difference it would make. From here on out, I must start from scratch in building my reputation as a vegan. I will have to tell others that I waited until 34, long after most vegans made the switch.linguistcat wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:48 pmThis is ... not accurate though. You've been a vegan for 5+ years but recently mistakenly and accidentally ingested something non-vegan. You didn't intentionally eat something non-vegan. Even most religions with strict dietary codes make allowances for the occasional mistake or situations where you were forced by necessity to eat something against the code. Are you going to be stricter with yourself than all but the harshest religions? Or are you going to accept that you made a mistake and have otherwise been a "devout" vegan, and jump back on the dietary horse?
No, one day is how long you’ve gone without ingesting something non-vegan. As linguisticat says, it takes more than that to make you non-vegan. This isn’t magic, it’s praxis.
Literally not a single vegan I know (and I know quite a few) thinks this way. They have a lot of respect for people who try to reduce their consumption of animal products even if they fall short of giving them up completely.malloc wrote: I might as well have eaten nothing but foie gras and ortolan buntings for all the difference it would make.
But that’s not what happened. You didn’t go hog wild at Big Sticky’s or anything.Putting it another way, if an alcoholic manages to stay sober for five years and then falls off the wagon, wouldn't you consider that a grave failure on their part?
Actually several days, because it took me that long to notice that it included non-vegan ingredients.
Sure, but AA still takes away their chip and requires them to start the twelve steps over again.In reality, it’s equivalent to an alcoholic having a drink of fruit punch only to find out afterwards someone spiked it. Then they go right back to not drinking alcohol again. At no point did they lose control and become an alcoholic again.
That’s a trivial distinction in this context. The salient aspect is that it wasn’t intentional.
And you know this how?Sure, but AA still takes away their chip and requires them to start the twelve steps over again.In reality, it’s equivalent to an alcoholic having a drink of fruit punch only to find out afterwards someone spiked it. Then they go right back to not drinking alcohol again. At no point did they lose control and become an alcoholic again.
As terrible as it is, I remember methru pointing out that Israel and Palestine are nothing compared to India and Pakistan. I am slightly optimistic that (some) Israelis and Palestinians are doing something towards peace. I wish something like that was happening with India and Pakistan as well, but at least the cross-border rivalry seems a little better now than it used to be.
Man in Space wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 11:03 am I fear I may be having a midlife crisis. I’m not even 30.
