Name That Language!

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Vijay
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Is it Niger-Congo?
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Vijay wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:35 pmIs it Niger-Congo?
according to Encyclopedia Britannica, yes
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Is the source you took this text from older than the 1950's?
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
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Is it from one of Mande/Dogon/Ijoid/Kordofanian? Or is it Atlantic–Congo?
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Karch wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:16 am Is the source you took this text from older than the 1950's?
yes - old enough that <ch> /x/
bradrn wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:52 am Is it from one of Mande/Dogon/Ijoid/Kordofanian? Or is it Atlantic–Congo?
the former
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Is it a "Kordofanian" language?
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
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Karch wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:30 pm Is it a "Kordofanian" language?
no
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Well, this doesn’t look Mande or Dogon, so… Ijoid? Defaka?
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doesn't look Ijoid to me either, and <ch> /x/ suggests that this text was taken by a German researcher (or missionary), so Mande?
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
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Karch wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:37 pm doesn't look Ijoid to me either, and <ch> /x/ suggests that this text was taken by a German researcher (or missionary), so Mande?
yes (and it was indeed taken by a German-speaking missionary, although I'm not sure which country he was from)
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Susu?
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
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Karch wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:06 amSusu?
I looked at Duport’s grammar already, but discarded it because the orthography is completely wrong (uses ⟨χ⟩ instead of ⟨ch⟩). I will be so upset if it turns out to be Susu anyway.

I might as well have a go as well: Soninke?
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Karch wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:06 amSusu?
yes - it's from John Godfrey Wilhelm's translation of the Book of Matthew
Last edited by Nortaneous on Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Nortaneous wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:51 pm
Karch wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:06 amSusu?
yes
Seriously? What source did you get it from?
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bradrn wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:52 pm
Nortaneous wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:51 pm
Karch wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:06 amSusu?
yes
Seriously? What source did you get it from?
there was like a five second window for me to get ninjad in, how'd you do that. see edit
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Nortaneous wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:52 pm there was like a five second window for me to get ninjad in, how'd you do that. see edit
I dunno, just one of those coincidences I guess.

Anyway, what are the chances that the same obscure Mande language would be documented by two separate missionaries, both in the 19th century, and I would find only the one with the wrong orthography? Most languages only have one obscure 19th century missionary.
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Mès-meakim epe sàpra ma-màanem, tis ka in watmat kàp-hari; usus epe manengop duv ndad-kahavèkat. Koⁱ-hu ngat upe rah kindap-kumàkem. Oramheⁱs-ngat daᵉt. Tis ka kadum-ᵒà usak; karik dum-kusàkti, ja kadis-ᵒà akobea; tanama ndumì-ᵒarau, a ahi-mànem epe.
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
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Is this language Austronesian?
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No.
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
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Is it a Papuan language?
Nortaneous wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pmit was indeed taken by a German-speaking missionary, although I'm not sure which country he was from
Apparently, he was from Strasbourg, in which case I guess he was from France.
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