thethief3 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:00 amtajsa·mika ikatu nanukalanagua isi kalí·ni kiky neka·neka
tajsa·+mika ikatu nanu+kala-nagua isi kalí(á)·-ni kiky neka·neka
salmon+honorific taste+fish-for.me good superlative fish+pl of all “Salmon is the best tasting of all fishes for me”
The for.me occupies the Intent slot
Lâxâmata.
[lɑχɑmatʰa]
/laχa-ma-tʰa/ agree-3.SG.A-1.SG I agree.
Tsöw hülo mihaġë zot'ahåġuäsä.
[tɕʰøwꜜ çyɫoꜜ mʲixaɣə zʷotʼaxɒɣʷæɕæ]
/tɕʰə́w çɨɫə́ mʲɨxa-ɣə zʷətʼa-xa-ɣʷa-ɕa/ 1.SG.POSS gadget.C repeat-CONVERB stop-3.SG.C-DESIRE-NEG I want my board to not lock up again.
tajsa nx· kubítici neby nx·kytymuɬɬu kxjasku usanno· non na· nadá·jato·jxŋaj nanusaljasa
tajsa(·) nx· kubí(ú)t(d)i(u)-ci neby nx·kytymuɬ-ɬu kx-jasku usanno· nipika non na· na/t/d(t)á·-ja-to·-jo(u)/n/-ŋ(g)aj nanusal+ja/ko/sa(·)
salmon in pot-OBL with fire+result-INST NEG-specific stone-INST be.salty kind.of 1.sg think-1.2-continuous-conditional-anterior be.good+food “Potted salmon with ash and some sort of salty stone would be a good food i presume”
(edit) forgot to add ablaut
Notes
a) The negated determiner is fronted unlike other determiners
b) The anterior in this sentence is framing it against the future implying that the potted salmon should be made, if you dropped it you would imply you do not know if we have potted salmon currently while at least implying we should have it, such usages of the anterior are allowed where it normally wouldn't be i.e in the framing verb of the sentence
na· na·gujanekagaj naɬténa· ni·kikanika tabxgodo·gaj na· nisnaja te·kibaban inini
na· na·gu-ja-ne(y)ka-gaj naɬténa· ni·ki(u)ka+nika tabxgo-d(t)o·-gaj na· nisna-ja te·kiba-ban i(u)ni(u)-ni
1.sg use-1.2+tool-anterior three inscribe+too-ACCl be.now-continuous-anterior 1.sg be.used-1.2 four-ORD 3.sg.acc-POS.1.sg “I have gone through 3 keyboards as of late and am on my fourth one”
a)
neka·siban nepi na· cabòŋajagajmagakakx kiskoykuku·su neka·si-ban nepi na· cabòŋa-ja-gaj-maga-kakx kiskoy+kuku·-su
one-ordinal 3.sg.OBL 1.sg wet-1.2-anterior-on-involuntary drink+black-INST “The first one i spilled coffee on”
b) c)
naɬténa·ban ni·di nigo·gaj kabasito nakki
naɬténa·-ban ni·di ni/k/g(k)o·-gaj kabasi-to(·) nak/a/ki
three-ordinal DEM.prox stop-anterior work-continuous be.proper-ADV “And the third stopped working as it should”
nagoki ni·di sapinikuna na· sa·si mida·ja kona ni·kikanika
nagoki ni·di sapiniku(o)na na· sa·si mida·-ja kona
because.of DEM.prox event.pl 1.sg NEG-front have-1.2 extra inscribe-tool-ACC “Due to these events i no longer have a backup keyboard”
ni·di sapinikomaj sapilaka sapygajgaj anjá anjá kudu nebi·nìskx·minaki peanakkinika nikko· kabasito
ni·di sapiniko-maj sapilaka sapy(i)-gaj-gaj anjá(·) anjá(·) kudu nebi·+nìskx·mi+naki(·) pe+anakki+nika nikko· kabasi-to(·)
DEM.prox event-discontinuous complete begin-anterior-anterior year year before mind+magic+movable NEG+symbol+tool-POS.3.sg stop work-continuous “This whole trend began over a year ago when my laptop’s space key stopped working”
e) f)
Notes
a) The anterior in the beginning is used in a perfect sense (which is attested in several daughters), to use the plain anterior with the first verb of the sentence would otherwise not be used since there’s nothing to frame it against.
b) On is clearly derived from the word for “Breasts” an alternative reconstruction deriving from “Palm” is also seen
c) Oblique + Instrumental construction here
d) The use of the demonstrative instead of a pronoun is i believe a sufficient translation of the dropping of the one here in english
e) Note the doubled anterior to imply these events occurred even earlier than the ones before
f) I like the usage of reduplication to show more than one amount of time but less than two amounts of the same time
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bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 5:47 am Nā ēnəchīzəŋkaŋ ēchizamic yachrəthamiŋ? /naː ˈeːnəˌɰiːzəˌŋkaŋ ˈeːɰiˌzamic ˈjaɰrəɹaˌmiŋ/
|nā
this.PROX
əʷ-e-nə-kizəm-kəŋ
3s.O-NP-MED-speak-PAT
əʷ-e-kizəm-ic
3s.O-NP-speak-ACT
əʷ-rəʷ-e-krə-tham-ɨŋ|
3s.O-3s.A-NP-IRR-is-Q
Do you have a grammar for this language?
nabasadi onx ni naɲetupa na· mida·jady pana u·múlytage
na+b(p)asadi onx ni naɲet(d)u-pa(·) na· mida·-ja-dy(·) pana u·múlytage
neg+be.fortunate no B wish-tenative 1.sg have-1.2-optative near winter “Unfortunately no, hopefully i will have it by the end of the year”
kago na· natanjajado·do
kago na· natanja-ja-do·-do(·)
be.present 1.sg make-1.2-repetitive-repetitive “In the meantime i am making it piece by piece”
thethief3 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:35 pmnabasadi onx ni naɲetupa na· mida·jady pana u·múlytage
na+b(p)asadi onx ni naɲet(d)u-pa(·) na· mida·-ja-dy(·) pana u·múlytage
neg+be.fortunate no B wish-tenative 1.sg have-1.2-optative near winter “Unfortunately no, hopefully i will have it by the end of the year”
kago na· natanjajado·do
kago na· natanja-ja-do·-do(·)
be.present 1.sg make-1.2-repetitive-repetitive “In the meantime i am making it piece by piece”
quinterbeck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 25, 2022 12:06 pm Oeh men gei naad yeona onhi nageinor oh inanimu?
Oeh
PREC
men
ACT.2s
gei
do
naad
so.that
yeon-a
FUT:EXP-1s
onhi
remember
nageinor
meaning
oh
PART
inani-mu?
speck-MED
Could you remind me what that interpunct means?
a·ne·datari tese·su ni mija alkoŋian
a·ne·+d(t)atadi tese·+su ni mija alkoŋian
water+sound long+NOM B be.like algonquian “Vowel length, like algonquian”
Xârtäji jöru jütsejinirä.
[χɑrtʰæji jørʷu jyꜜtsʷʰejinirʲæ]
/χartʰa-jɨ jərʷɨ jɨ́tsʷʰə-jɨ-nɨ-rʲa/ sharp-3.SG.B mark.B use-3.SG.B-2.SG-POSSIBILITY You could use an acute accent.
nappi·kisko canitakisko ni·kuka nagujjana·nsi
nappi(u)·ki/na/sko canitaki/na/sko ni·kuka nagujja+na·nsi
rising+mark falling+mark write speak-melody-OBL NEG-normal “Acute and Grave accents are used to mark nonstandard pitch accent”
naka tilsi otoduga·ma na· ta mikki juno·ty anɬae
naka tilsi otodu+g(k)a·ma na· ta mikki juno·ty anɬae
for on big+line 1.sg PRED grow TOP dot be.fond “As for macrons i have grown fond of the dots”
Notes
a) The predicate before other verbs to mark personal completion of an action with current holding is only seen in the daughter i am working on now.
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jujny adónasɬi ja pikadneneto·nan jujny tadagasjujnypazena tal akujtapaja jujny limicada ototunadi jazena
jujny adónas+ɬi ja pikadi-nene-to·-na(·)n jujny tadagas+jujny+pa/na/-zena tal akujta-paja jujny limic(j)a-da otot(d)u-nadi jazena
far west+VERB 1.pl.fs see-momentative-continuous-with.legs.feet far outsider+far+near-ESS and court-make.others far fox-OBL.pl be.big-above 1.pl.fs-ESS
“Further west we encounter people who do not look like us and insist we look like tall foxes”
a) b) c)
tanej nulka tal inugoj ta nitie·ci sabe· kaná·laidu
tanej nulka(·) tal inugoj ta nit(d)i(u)e(o)·-ci sabe· kaná·-lai-du
TOP be.false and be.absurd PRED vixen.pl-OBL walk.A.I village-LAT-pl-POS.1.pl “This is preposterous as vixens rarely come to our villages”
ai pana sizibi ja tadagazena pansininjx natai ta jazena tal akujtapaja jujny mijakao nokka tal lattyenukody jazena
ai pana sizibi ja tadaga/s/zena pansin-injx natai ta jazena tal akujta-paja jujny mija-kao nokka tal lattye+nukody jazena
to near cold 1.pl.fs outsider-ESS be.mighty-COMP.bet be.true PRED 1.pl.fs-ESS court-make.others far be.like-QUAL small and sharp+face 1.pl-f.s “To the south we see people who are truly mighty compared to us and insist we look diminutive and sharp-snouted”
c)
Notes
a) This is not my voice saying this but the voice of another hence the alternate pronouns which would be aba and abazena respectively.
b) Elenyiwa can get absurd with its lexical through morphology derivations you of course cannot see with your legs or feet (or butt) but this means encounter.
c) Far + Essive is the standard construction for meaning to appear like something but not quite.
d) Added qualitative forms of verbs formed with -kao, this construction means they have less heavy set features compared to the people they are talking about.
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