Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

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Knit Tie
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/fʁɑ̃sɛ/ <Franse>

Consonants

/m n ɲ (ŋ)/ <m n ñ (n)>
/p t k/ <p t k>
/b d ɡ/ <b d g>
/f s ʃ/ <f s x>
/v z ʒ/ <v z j>
/ʁ l j ɥ w/ <r l i ü u>

Suppressed consonants and schwas aren't written at all.

Vowels

/a ɛ i œ ø y ɔ o u ə/ <a e i ö ö ü o o u a>
/ɛ̃ ɑ̃ ɔ̃/ <en an on>
/ɛː ɑ œ̃/ <e a ön>

Sample text

/lɔʁ.skə ʒa.vɛ si.z‿ɑ̃ᶻ ʒɛ vy ynᵊ fwaᶻ | yn ma.ɲi.fikᵊ i.maʒᵊ dɑ̃.z‿œ̃ⁿ livʁᵊ syr la fɔ.ʁɛᵗ vjɛʁʒᵊ | ki sa.ple is.twaʁᶻ ve.ky || sa ʁə.pʁe.zɑ̃.tɛᵗ œ̃ⁿ sɛʁ.pɑ̃ᵗ bo.a | ki a.va.lɛt‿œ̃ⁿ fovᵊ/

<lorska jave sizan je vü ün fua | ün mañifik imaj danzön livr sür la fore vierj | ki saple istuar vekü || sa raprezante ön serpan boa | ki avaletön fov>
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Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

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Now, a language with a phonology as beautiful as its writing system is ugly:

/ɡeːlʲɟə/

/m mʲ n nʲ ŋ ɲ
/p pʲ t tʲ k c/
/b bʲ d dʲ ɡ ɟ/
/f fʲ s ʃ x ç h/
/w vʲ ɣ j/
/ɾ ɾʲ l lʲ/

/i a u e o/ + lenɡth

~~~~

And fuck it, why not another one with pervasive palatalisation, except this one's IRL writing system wasn't made by complete lunatics

/ruskij jazik/

/m mʲ n nʲ/
/p pʲ t tʲ k/
/b bʲ d dʲ ɡ/
/ts tɕ/
/f fʲ s sʲ ʂ ɕ x/
/v vʲ z zʲ ʐ/
/r rʲ l lʲ/
/j/

final obstruents are always voiceless

/a e i o u/, /e o/ are only ever found in stressed syllables, /i/ has [ɨ] as a major allophone after nonpalatalised consonants.

Sample text:

/sudʲba jivɡenʲija xranʲila | spʲirva madam za nʲim xadʲila | patom mʲisʲjo jijo smʲinʲil | rʲibʲonak bil rʲizov no mʲil | mʲisʲjo lʲabe frantsus uboɡaj | ʂtop nʲi izmutɕilasʲ dʲitʲa | utɕil jivo fsʲimu ʂutʲa | nʲi dakutɕal maralʲju stroɡaj | slʲixka za ʂalastʲi branʲil | i v lʲetnʲij sat ɡulʲatʲ vadʲil/
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Travis B.
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Knit Tie wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:52 pm Now, a language with a phonology as beautiful as its writing system is ugly:

/ɡeːlʲɟə/

/m mʲ n nʲ ŋ ɲ
/p pʲ t tʲ k c/
/b bʲ d dʲ ɡ ɟ/
/f fʲ s ʃ x ç h/
/w vʲ ɣ j/
/ɾ ɾʲ l lʲ/

/i a u e o/ + lenɡth
You should have posted a passage in Irish with phonemes!
Knit Tie wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:52 pm And fuck it, why not another one with pervasive palatalisation, except this one's IRL writing system wasn't made by complete lunatics

/ruskij jazik/

/m mʲ n nʲ/
/p pʲ t tʲ k/
/b bʲ d dʲ ɡ/
/ts tɕ/
/f fʲ s sʲ ʂ ɕ x/
/v vʲ z zʲ ʐ/
/r rʲ l lʲ/
/j/

final obstruents are always voiceless

/a e i o u/, /e o/ are only ever found in stressed syllables, /i/ has [ɨ] as a major allophone after nonpalatalised consonants.

Sample text:

/sudʲba jivɡenʲija xranʲila | spʲirva madam za nʲim xadʲila | patom mʲisʲjo jijo smʲinʲil | rʲibʲonok bil rʲizov no mʲil | mʲisʲjo lʲabe frantsus uboɡaj | ʂtop nʲi izmutɕilasʲ dʲitʲa | utɕil jivo fsʲimu ʂutʲa | nʲi dakutɕal maralʲju stroɡaj | slʲixka za ʂalastʲi branʲil | i v lʲetnʲij sat ɡulʲatʲ vadʲil/
Umm you posted this complete with multiple /o/'s in a word without marking stress; could you add stress to your passage (I know that if you open a /ruskij/ dictionary it should mark it)?
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Knit Tie
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Travis B. wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:33 pm
You should have posted a passage in Irish with phonemes!
Couldn't really find one that was in IPA, and I'm not gonna try to pretend I can descipher Irish orthography into phonemes.
Travis B. wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:33 pm
Umm you posted this complete with multiple /o/'s in a word without marking stress; could you add stress to your passage (I know that if you open a /ruskij/ dictionary it should mark it)?
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Nortaneous
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let's apply normal swamp conventions

/m n ɲ (ŋ)/ <m n y ng>
/p t k/ <p t k>
/b d ɡ/ <b d g>
/f s ʃ/ <ff ss rr>
/v z ʒ/ <f s r>
/ʁ l j ɥ w/ <j l i w u>
/ⁿ ᵖ ᵗ ᵏ ᵛ ᶻ ʲ ʶ/ <nh ph th kh fh sh ih jh zh> (z‿V <s-hV>)

/a ɛ i œ ø y ɔ o u ə/ <a x i c v w q o u z>
/ɛ̃ ɑ̃ ɔ̃/ <xn an qn>
/ɛː ɑ œ̃/ <xx aq vn>

/lɔʁ.skə ʒa.vɛ si.z‿ɑ̃ᶻ ʒɛ vy ynᵊ fwaᶻ | yn ma.ɲi.fikᵊ i.maʒᵊ dɑ̃.z‿œ̃ⁿ livʁᵊ syr la fɔ.ʁɛᵗ vjɛʁʒᵊ | ki sa.ple is.twaʁᶻ ve.ky || sa ʁə.pʁe.zɑ̃.tɛᵗ œ̃ⁿ sɛʁ.pɑ̃ᵗ bo.a | ki a.va.lɛt‿œ̃ⁿ fovᵊ/

Lqjsskz rafx ssis-hansh rx fw wnzh ffuash, wn mayiffikzh imarzh dans-hvnnh lifjzh sswj la ffqjxth fixjrzh, ki ssaple isstuajsh fekw. Ssa jzpjesantxth vnnh ssxjpanth boa, ki afalxt-hvnnh ffofzh.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Knit Tie wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:52 pm And fuck it, why not another one with pervasive palatalisation, except this one's IRL writing system wasn't made by complete lunatics

/ruskij jazik/

/m mʲ n nʲ/
/p pʲ t tʲ k/
/b bʲ d dʲ ɡ/
/ts tɕ/
/f fʲ s sʲ ʂ ɕ x/
/v vʲ z zʲ ʐ/
/r rʲ l lʲ/
/j/

final obstruents are always voiceless

/a e i o u/, /e o/ are only ever found in stressed syllables, /i/ has [ɨ] as a major allophone after nonpalatalised consonants.

Sample text:

/sudʲba jivɡenʲija xranʲila | spʲirva madam za nʲim xadʲila | patom mʲisʲjo jijo smʲinʲil | rʲibʲonak bil rʲizov no mʲil | mʲisʲjo lʲabe frantsus uboɡaj | ʂtop nʲi izmutɕilasʲ dʲitʲa | utɕil jivo fsʲimu ʂutʲa | nʲi dakutɕal maralʲju stroɡaj | slʲixka za ʂalastʲi branʲil | i v lʲetnʲij sat ɡulʲatʲ vadʲil/
Sud'ba jivggenija chranila. Spirva madam za jim chadila. Patom misjo jijo sminil. Rib'onak byl rizov no mil. Misjo l'abbe francus ubogaj. Štop ni izmučilas' dit'a. Učil jivo fsimu šut'a. Ni dakučal maralju strogaj. Slichka za šalasti branil. I v letnij sat gul'at' vadil.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Karch
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the Mhra spelling conventions are quite optimized, so applying them to anything that isn't colloquial Nargun Mhra inevitably results in disaster
/m n ɲ (ŋ)/ <m n j ñ>
/p t k/ <p t k>
/b d ɡ/ <b tb kb>
/f s ʃ/ <f s q>
/v z ʒ/ <fh sh qh>
/ʁ l j ɥ w/ <g l y yw w>
liaison written with an apostrophe after the consonant

/a ɛ i œ ø y ɔ o u ə/ <a x i xu eu iu c o u v>
/ɛ̃ ɑ̃ ɔ̃/ <xnh anh cnh>

/lɔʁ.skə ʒa.vɛ si.z‿ɑ̃ᶻ ʒɛ vy ynᵊ fwaᶻ | yn ma.ɲi.fikᵊ i.maʒᵊ dɑ̃.z‿œ̃ⁿ livʁᵊ syr la fɔ.ʁɛᵗ vjɛʁʒᵊ | ki sa.ple is.twaʁᶻ ve.ky || sa ʁə.pʁe.zɑ̃.tɛᵗ œ̃ⁿ sɛʁ.pɑ̃ᵗ bo.a | ki a.va.lɛt‿œ̃ⁿ fovᵊ/
Logskv qhavx sish' anh qhx fhiu iun fwash', iun majifik imaqh tbanhsh' xnh livg siur la fcge vyxgqh, ki saple istwag fhekiu. Sa gvpgeshanhtxt' xnh sxgpanh boa, ki avalxt' xnh fofh.
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
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the other Mhra orthography (might be subject to slight revision):

/p t ʈ c k q/ <p t th tj k q>
[b d ɖ ɟ ɡ ʢ] <b d dh dj g gh>
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n nh nj ng>
/r/ <r>
/θ s ʂ/ <þ s sh>
[ɸ ɕ x ʜ] <f sj ch qh>
/w l j/ <w l y>
[ɬ r̥] <lh rh>

/i ɨ u e o æ a/ <i~í ï u e~é o ä a>
[ə ɪ] <e i>
/V:/ <VV>

Short and stressed are written <í é>.

[ˈɳbà ˈkːùːŋ ŋəˈnéatːɪŋ ˈɸʂæ̀irdən ˈmèo ˈŋθáŋsɪt || ˈkːùːŋ ŋəˈɳæ̀ir xəˈd̥àːŋ ˈkːùŋ ˈtměa sθəŋˈkʂéant]
Nhba kkuung ngeneatting fshäirden meo ngþangsit. Kkuung ngenhäir chetaang kkuung tmea sþengksheant.

[ˈwáuk ˈpːàːŋdəŋ ɸkəˈɖ̥òːɲərk ˈwánn || ˈnàkən ˈndâːŋ ˈɸʈòːɲənt || ɸəˈŋúr ʜəŋləkˈmàont || ˈɬú ˈŋmàn ˈʈʰɨ̌ːmɪn ŋɡəˈtːùˀt xəˈd̥àːŋ ˈkːùŋ || ˈŋárʢənˌɖŋàt ˈŋmàn ˈŋdùˀt || ˈnbáməŋjəmp ˈʡmèaɖ̥əɲdən ʜəndˈjòat || məˈpjàː ŋbəsˈɳùːnɪŋ ŋəˈmjád̥ɪp ˈtʰjárɟənː]
Wauk ppangdeng fkethoonjerk wann. Naken ndaang fthoonjent. Fengur qhenglekmaont. Lhu ngman thïïmin nggettut chetaang kkung. Ngarghenthngat ngman ngdut. Nbamengyemp qmeathenjden qhendyoat. Mepyaa ngbesnhuuning ngemyatip tyardjenn.
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
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/m n mʲ nʲ/ <m n ɯ u>
/p t k pʲ tʲ kʲ/ <p t k d ʇ ʞ>
/b d g bʲ dʲ gʲ/ <b δ g q ƍ ᵷ>
/ts tɕ/ <ç 𝼃>
/f s ʂ ɕː x/ <f c s ƨ x>
/fʲ sʲ/ <ɟ ɔ>
/v z ʐ/ <v ſ z>
/vʲ zʲ/ <ʌ ȷ>
/r l j/ <r l j>
/rʲ lʲ/ <ɹ ꞁ>

/á é í ó ú/ <ɐ e ᴉ o ʎ>
/a i u/ <a i y>

/aˈdnaʐdɨ ˈsʲevʲirnɨj ˈvʲetʲir i ˈsontsɨ paˈsporʲilʲi | ˈkto izʲ ˈnʲix sʲiˈlʲnʲeji || kak ˈras ˈv‿eta ˈvrʲemʲa | aˈnʲi zaˈmʲetʲilʲi zaˈkutanava ˈf‿plaɕː ˈputʲnʲika | kaˈtorɨj ˈʂol pa daˈroɡʲi | i rʲiˈʂɨlʲi | ˈʂto ˈtotiz ˈnʲix ˈbudʲit ɕːiˈtat sa ˈsamɨm ˈsʲilʲnɨm | kaˈmu ˈranʲʂɨ uˈdast sa zaˈstavʲitʲ ˈputʲnʲikaˈsʲnʲatʲ ˈplaɕː/
Aδnɐzδi ɔeʌirnij ʌeʇir i conçi paspoɹili, kto iȷ uᴉx ɔiꞁueji. Kak rɐs v eta vɹeɯa, auᴉ ſaɯeʇiꞁi ſakʎtanava v plɐƨ pʎʇuika, katorij sol pa δaroᵷi, i ɹisᴉꞁi, sto totic uix bʎƍit ƨitɐt ca cɐmim ɔiꞁnim, kamʎ rausi yδɐst ca ſactɐʌiʇ pʎʇuika ɔuɐʇ plɐƨ.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Nortaneous wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 12:07 pm /m n mʲ nʲ/ <m n ɯ u>
/p t k pʲ tʲ kʲ/ <p t k d ʇ ʞ>
/b d g bʲ dʲ gʲ/ <b δ g q ƍ ᵷ>
/ts tɕ/ <ç 𝼃>
/f s ʂ ɕː x/ <f c s ƨ x>
/fʲ sʲ/ <ɟ ɔ>
/v z ʐ/ <v ſ z>
/vʲ zʲ/ <ʌ ȷ>
/r l j/ <r l j>
/rʲ lʲ/ <ɹ ꞁ>

/á é í ó ú/ <ɐ e ᴉ o ʎ>
/a i u/ <a i y>

/aˈdnaʐdɨ ˈsʲevʲirnɨj ˈvʲetʲir i ˈsontsɨ paˈsporʲilʲi | ˈkto izʲ ˈnʲix sʲiˈlʲnʲeji || kak ˈras ˈv‿eta ˈvrʲemʲa | aˈnʲi zaˈmʲetʲilʲi zaˈkutanava ˈf‿plaɕː ˈputʲnʲika | kaˈtorɨj ˈʂol pa daˈroɡʲi | i rʲiˈʂɨlʲi | ˈʂto ˈtotiz ˈnʲix ˈbudʲit ɕːiˈtat sa ˈsamɨm ˈsʲilʲnɨm | kaˈmu ˈranʲʂɨ uˈdast sa zaˈstavʲitʲ ˈputʲnʲikaˈsʲnʲatʲ ˈplaɕː/
Aδnɐzδi ɔeʌirnij ʌeʇir i conçi paspoɹili, kto iȷ uᴉx ɔiꞁueji. Kak rɐs v eta vɹeɯa, auᴉ ſaɯeʇiꞁi ſakʎtanava v plɐƨ pʎʇuika, katorij sol pa δaroᵷi, i ɹisᴉꞁi, sto totic uix bʎƍit ƨitɐt ca cɐmim ɔiꞁnim, kamʎ rausi yδɐst ca ſactɐʌiʇ pʎʇuika ɔuɐʇ plɐƨ.
Nort wins first prize for orthographic insanity yet again.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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That is quite the troll orthography, isn't it?
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I cannot let this insult against my native language slide

/m n mʲ nʲ/ <m n m n>
/p t k pʲ tʲ kʲ/ <p t k p t k>
/b d g bʲ dʲ gʲ/ <b d g b d g>
/ts tɕ/ <c č>
/f s ʂ ɕː x/ <f s š sč h>
/fʲ sʲ/ <f s>
/v z ʐ/ <v z ž>
/vʲ zʲ/ <v z>
/r l j/ <r l j>
/rʲ lʲ/ <r l>

/á é í ó ú/ <a e i o u>
/a i u/ <a i u>

Palatalised CV is <CiV>, except Ci, which is <Ci>. Palatalised C syllable/word-finally is <Ć>. Non-palatalised Ci is <Cy>. Palatals are unmarked for palatalisation for obvious reasons. /ts/ is never palatalised and is written as such. That's all you need, folks!

/aˈdnaʐdɨ ˈsʲevʲirnɨj ˈvʲetʲir i ˈsontsɨ paˈsporʲilʲi | ˈkto izʲ ˈnʲix sʲiˈlʲnʲeji || kak ˈras ˈv‿eta ˈvrʲemʲa | aˈnʲi zaˈmʲetʲilʲi zaˈkutanava ˈf‿plaɕː ˈputʲnʲika | kaˈtorɨj ˈʂol pa daˈroɡʲi | i rʲiˈʂɨlʲi | ˈʂto ˈtotiz ˈnʲix ˈbudʲit ɕːiˈtat sa ˈsamɨm ˈsʲilʲnɨm | kaˈmu ˈranʲʂɨ uˈdast sa zaˈstavʲitʲ ˈputʲnʲikaˈsʲnʲatʲ ˈplaɕː/
<adnaždy sievirnyj vietir i soncy pasporili | kto iź nih siľniej || kak ras v eta vriemia | ani zamietili zakutanava f plasč puťnika | katoryj šol pa darogi | i ri šili | što totyz nih budit sčitat sa samym siľnym | kamu rańši udast sa zastaviť puťnika śniať plasč>
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trhä mhra

/p t ʈ c k q/ <p t th c k q>
[b d ɖ ɟ ɡ ʢ] <b d dh j g ç> (and [b̥...])
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n nh ñ µ>
/r/ <r>
/θ s ʂ/ <þ s ß>
[ɸ ɕ x ʜ] <f ¢ x qh>
/w l j/ <w l y>
[ɬ r̥] <£ ð>

/i ɨ u e o æ a/ <i~í ï u e~é o ä a>
[ə ɪ] <ë ÿ>
/V:/ <V́ / V̂>
/V́ V̀ V̀ˀ V̌/ <°V V V§ ¡V> (or between two vowels in a diphthong)
/ea oa/ <æ å>

Short and stressed i e are written <ì è>.

[ˈɳbà ˈkːùːŋ ŋəˈnéatːɪŋ ˈɸʂæ̀irdən ˈmèo ˈŋθáŋsɪt || ˈkːùːŋ ŋəˈɳæ̀ir xəˈd̥àːŋ ˈkːùŋ ˈtměa sθəŋˈkʂéant]
Nhba kkúµ µën°ættÿµ fßäirdën meo µþ°aµsÿt. Kkúµ µënhäir xëdáµ kkúµ tm¡æ sþëµkß°ænt.

[ˈwáuk ˈpːàːŋdəŋ ɸkəˈɖ̥òːɲərk ˈwánn || ˈnàkən ˈndâːŋ ˈɸʈòːɲənt || ɸəˈŋúr ʜəŋləkˈmàont || ˈɬú ˈŋmàn ˈʈʰɨ̌ːmɪn ŋɡəˈtːùˀt xəˈd̥àːŋ ˈkːùŋ || ˈŋárʢənˌɖŋàt ˈŋmàn ˈŋdùˀt || ˈnbáməŋjəmp ˈʡmèaɖ̥əɲdən ʜəndˈjòat || məˈpjàː ŋbəsˈɳùːnɪŋ ŋəˈmjád̥ɪp ˈtʰjárɟənː]
Wa°uk ppáµdëµ fkëdhóñërk w°ann. Nakën nd¡áµ fthóñënt. Fëµ°ur qhëµlëkmaont. £°u µman th¡îmÿn µgëttu§t xëdáµ kkuµ. µ°arçëndhµat µman µdu§t. Nb°amëµyëmp çmædhëñdën çëndyåt. Mëpyá µbësnhúnÿµ µëmy°adÿp ty°arjënn.
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furthermore, Tserzou

/p pʼ b t tʼ d ts tsʼ dz tɬ tɬʼ dɮ k kʼ g qʼ ʔ/ <p þ b t ð d ts ðs dz £ 𧠧 k c g q ¶>
/ɸ β s z ɬ l x ɣ χ ʁ/ <f v s z ß l h ç x r>
/m n ŋ/ <m n µ>

/ɛ œ ə ɪ ʏ/ <e °e a i °i>

/æ̠ a o̯æ̠ u̯a/ <ä å °ä °å>
/ʌ̠ o̯ʌ̠ ɔ/ <ë °ë o>
/eɛ̯ øɶ̯/ <æ °æ>
/ɛɪ œʏ ɔu/ <ai °ai au>
/e̠ ø̠ o̠/ <ï °ï ü>
/ɪɛ̯ ʏœ̯ uɔ̯/ <iæ °iæ ua>
/i y ɯ u/ <y °y ÿ u>
/oɪ̯ ɪu̯/ <ø w>
V V̀ <V ¦V>

bitɛɪ̯dəʔ ʁɪtɬʼø̠tɬʼø̠̀də tɬeɛ̯ tsʼʏœ̯p fæ̠̀vœ̀ tøɶ̯̀ læ̠ tsʼeɛ̯ kø̀ɶ̯tsʌ̠ʔ | leɛ̯ dɮøɶ̯χ qʼø̠̀ vì ìʁxœtɬuɔ̯ leɛ̯ veɛ̯ vəu̯atχɔ̀u̯bœ̀ vɔu̯mgœnbʏn bɪ̀mɪɬəχtœn kɪu̯k tsʼʌ || dɮʏ̀χɔu̯zɪ tsɛɪ̯ vəʔo̠m ɔu̯ŋ | tɛɪ̯zidə̀ tɬʼœ̀ʏ̯ndœ nœʏ̯k tɛɪ̯k | tɬʼæn wànɯ-dœ̀=bʏn vɛ̀ɪ̯tɬɛɪ̯k || ɪmkʼi ʁɪtɬʼø̠tɬʼø̠̀zɪ ʁəntsʏn tɛɪ̯bo̠ngən=tʼʏn χò̠dɛn xoɪ̯ lùɔ̯ tsʼeɛ̯ ʔœχøɶ̯ʁə̀ ɔu̯ŋ || zɛqʼèɛ̯ mɪɬəχtœ tɪnɪŋ tsʼeɛ | ɬʌ̠p ɣoɪ̯ʁœχ tɪnɪŋ tsʼeɛ̯ ʔœχøɶ̯ʁə̀ ɔu̯ŋ

Bytaida¶ rið§°ïð§°ïda ßæ ðs°eæp f¦äv¦°e t°æ lä ðsæ k¦°ætsë¶, læ ð§°æx q¦°ï v¦y ¦yrh°e£ua læ væ va°åtx¦aub¦°e vaumg°enb°in b¦imißaxt°en kwk ðsë. Ч¦i°xauzi tsai va¶üm auµ, taizyd¦a 𧦰aind°e n°aik taik, ð§än °ånÿd°eb°in v¦ai£aik. Imcy rið§°ï𧦰ïzi rants°in taibünganð°in x¦üden hø l¦ua ðsæ ¶°ex°ær¦a auµ. Zeq¦æ mißaxt°e tiniµ ðsæ, ßëp çør°ex tiniµ ðsæ ¶°ex°ær¦a auµ.
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Iau

/˩˧ ˧˥ ˨˧ ˩˥ ˥˧ ˨˩ ˧ ˨/ <VV VVV VVVV VVVVV VVVVVV VVVVVVV VVVVVVVV VVVVVVVVV>
/æ a ɔ ɪ ʊ i u i̝/ <e a o y v i u ɨ>
/ɸ t k b d s/ <f t k b d s>

/ɪ˧ a˨˩sæ˨ ɸa˧˥ui˨˩ ba˨˩ bæ˨˧ da˧dʊ˨ a˨˩sæ˨ tʊ˨ bʊ˧ i˨˩ sæ˨˧ dɪ˨˧da˧dʊ˨ a˨˩sæ˨ bi˨˩ ɸʊɪ˧˥ || bi˨˩ a˨˩sæ˨ ɸʊɪ˧ da˧dʊ˨ a˨˩sæ˨ baɪ˨˩ bu˩˥ || ba˨˩bʊ˨ tæ˨˩ du˧bæ˨˩ bi˨˩ bu˩˥ | dɪ˧ si˥˧ ba˨˩bʊ˨ tɔ˧ du˧bæ˨˩ tau˧˥/

Iiiiiiii aaaaaaaseeeeeeeee faaa-uuuiiii baaaaaaa beeee daaaaaaaadvvvvvvvvv aaaaaaaseeeeeeeee tvvvvvvvvv bvvvvvvvv iiiiiii seeee diiiidaaaaaaaadvvvvvvvvv aaaaaaaseeeeeeeee biiiiiii fvvy. Biiiiiii aaaaaaaseeeeeeeee fvvvvyyyy daaaaaaaadvvvvvvvvv aaaaaaaseeeeeeeee baaayyyy buuuuu. Baaaaaaabvvvvvvvvv teeeeeee duuuuuuuubeeeeeee biiiiiii buuuuu, dyyyyyyyy siiiiii baaaaaaabvvvvvvvvv toooooooo duuuuuuuubeeeeeee tauu.
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Now you're just showing off.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Is that what we're calling it now?
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Travis B. wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:45 pm Now you're just showing off.
²Ggᵒɐʳhheeɘ ¹hhəɵɘs, ¹kᵒəsɘə ²ɵɐˡhhnehh ⁰ne ¹he ⁰est, ¹hekᵉɵəns ¹spekᵉet, ⁰həɘnəm ⁰ge ²ggᵒɐʳhhɵm ¹ɵəgᵉəm ¹ɵegᵉəntɐᵐ ⁰həɘnəmkᵒe ¹megᵉhhm ¹bərəm, ⁰həɘnəmkᵒe ¹gᵉmenɐᵐ ¹hhəəkᵉɵ ¹berəntɐᵐ. ¹Hhəɵɘs ⁰tɵ ⁰hekᵉɵəɘbɘəs ²ɵeɵkᵒet: '¹kᵉeer ³hhegnɵtər ⁰məɘ ¹hekᵉɵəns ¹hheggᵉəntɐᵐ ¹hhnerɐᵐ ³ɵɘddɐⁿteɘ. ¹Hekᵉɵəəs ⁰tɵ ⁰ɵeɵkᵒəənt: ²kᵉlɵdɘ, ¹hhəəɵeɘ, ¹kᵉeer ⁰ge ³hhegnɵtər ²ɐⁿsmeɘ ³ɵɘddɐⁿtbɘəs. ¹Hhneer, ¹pətɘs, ¹hheɵɘəm ⁰ɐʳ ²ɵɐˡhhnehhm ⁰sebɘ ²kᵒɐʳneɵtɘ ⁰nɵ ¹gᵒerməm ¹ɵestrom ¹negᵉɘ ¹hheɵɘəm ²ɵɐˡhhnehh ¹hestɘ.' ¹Tədd ³kᵉekᵉlɵɵəəs ¹hhəɵɘs ¹hheggᵉrəm ²bɵgget.
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Revised version of Iau optimised for dot-matrix printers

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˩˧    ˧˥    ˨˧    ˩˥    ˥˧    ˨˩     ˧     ˨

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 æ     a     ɔ     ɪ     ʊ     i     u     i̝

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 Ø     ɸ     t     k     b     d     s

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□□□   □□□   □□.   □□□   □□.   □□□   □□.
□□□   □□□   □□□   □□.   □□□   □□.   □□.

The second element of a diphthong is just written as the vowel column

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     ..   .    ...       .   ..    .   ..  ...  ...  ..   .  
.         . .       ..      . .  . .  .    ..   ..        . .
..   .    . .       ..   .  .         . .  . .  . .  .    . .
/ɪ˧ a˨˩sæ˨ ɸa˧˥ui˨˩ ba˨˩ bæ˨˧ da˧dʊ˨ a˨˩sæ˨/
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Another Lakes Plain language, Obokuitai:

/b t d (dʒ) k (kʷ)/
/s h/

/(i̝g̚ u̝b̚) i u ɛ o a/

H, L, HL
(L being by far the most frequent)

Syllable structure is (C)(C)V(V)(C); onsets are limited to /Cd/ (/bd td dd kd sd hd/ → [bɾ tɾ dɾ kɾ sɾ hɾ~ɸɾ]) and codas are limited to [i̝g̚ u̝b̚] which have been analysed as either /ik uk/ or /id ud/, although either of these requires contrastive syllabification (/ìk.dì/ → [ì̝g̚dì] 'tree sp.' vs. /á.kdùk/ → [ákɾù̝b̚] 'leaf').

Another issue is the case of [kʷ]; the onset [kʷɾV] occurs but is analysed as /kudV/, and [kʷV] is analysed as /kuV/, although this means positing CVVV(C) syllables where C1 is always /k/ and V1 is always /u/. And also CVCV syllables...

And [dʒ] occurs syllable-initially following [i̝g̚] (e.g. [kí̝g̚.dʒɛ̀.dí] 'song') analysed as /i/, but this requires iVV(C) syllables that only follow /Vk/ (/iV/ syllables occur elsewhere too). But then if you analyse it as /dʒ/, then it only occurs word-internally following one vowel.

Analyse these various features as you wish. The sample below uses Scott and Jenison's 11-phoneme analysis.


/iù.hì.dà bà.dɛ̀.tì.dà kò.túk ɛ̀ik.sɛ̀.hùk tìd sá dɛ̀i.há.dɛ́ kà hó.dà.hóik, kà hík.hóik ‖ "sɛ̂.dù.dùk a.kuá.dɛ́ kɛ̀i hài dó, bâ bɛ̀.tìk.hóik" ǁ à.tì dâ bù tá tì.ò dâ sɛ̂ik.iɛ̀ bì.à ià/
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