Conlang fluency thread

[Travis B.]

• special, fooka

Ichaziyema ha mad ha xacaleemetha zo xacagyim fookalaa.
please-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES-PAT.1.S COMP able COMP write-INST-AGT.1.M-PRES-NEG PROX.S.INAN write-PAT-P special-P
I like that I can write this without using special characters.

[bradrn]

[…] at giare wi scien, gis Ȝ i sannen ceike wel asammen the anner lettrer sam wi ha them?
[…] does yogh really look good alongside the other letters as we have them?

Type rnos towaŋkbuy! Sey:
[‘type’ ʒnos to.waŋ.kbuj | sej]
type r-nos to-wa·m·kbuy! sey
type ACC-that.ANA DEF.SG-AUX·AUX·different! like.this

That depends on the typeface! Like so:



Delving a bit deeper into the design here:

• Interestingly, the best yogh (I think) is in the Light weight of Calibri. Regular Calibri uses an ezh shape, for no obvious reason.
• Google’s face Noto, the Ubuntu face, and Adobe’s typefaces also have nicely-designed yoghs.
• Fira Sans takes the interesting approach of cutting off the tail. It works well enough in running text, but I’m not sure I love it.
• For a font designed for mediaevalists, Junicode is disappointing. Its yogh is generally OK, but has an oddly big serif on the top.
• SIL’s typefaces seem to rather consistently use an italic-styled yogh, which looks fine amongst italic letters (e.g. in Andika), but strangely out-of-place amongst roman letters (as shown for Charis). (Minion also has this problem, though not quite so badly.)
• Brill’s yogh is rather boxy. It is a boxy font, true, but I don’t think it works.
• Inter’s yogh is just dreadful.

[Glass Half Baked]

Faz com los Scotes, e ecrív Z.
[fas̻ kɵ̃m los̺ ‘s̺kɵ.te e ek.’ɾiv s̻e]
Do like the Scots, and write Z.

[Travis B.]

• problem, teelat
• speak (trans.), laxa

Taye teelat ⟨z⟩-t ha laxaleekanum zo nuuxa xacagyi.
COP-PRES problem ⟨z⟩-GEN COMP speak-INST-AGT.3.P.ANIM-HAB-INV PROX.1.S.INAN people write-NOM.PAT
The problem with ⟨z⟩ is that people spelling-pronounce it.

[xxx]

pµº;·µW;·µÉt¾ÄÉWµ;
(writing not seen elsewhere and catching eye...)
strange letters give language its personality...

[Znex]

Faz com los Scotes, e ecrív Z.
[fas̻ kɵ̃m los̺ ‘s̺kɵ.te e ek.’ɾiv s̻e]
Do like the Scots, and write Z.

Taye teelat ⟨z⟩-t ha laxaleekanum zo nuuxa xacagyi.
COP-PRES problem ⟨z⟩-GEN COMP speak-INST-AGT.3.P.ANIM-HAB-INV PROX.1.S.INAN people write-NOM.PAT
The problem with ⟨z⟩ is that people spelling-pronounce it.

Oʒsa at gisc ceik sam interessant. Ʒ'am seicen for at ha ei odd noet, ennae iet oʒsa bizar.
Also it doesn't look as interesting. I'm looking for something quirky, but not too strange.

[Travis B.]

• strange, oha
• less, fewer, gak

Yaa ha ximaamut'a ha taye ⟨ʒ⟩ oha gak gabi yoh.
would COMP think-AGT.1.S-HAB-NEG COMP COP-PRES ⟨ʒ⟩ strange less exist-ABL yogh
I would not think that ⟨ʒ⟩ is less strange than the yogh.

[jal]

I would not think that ⟨ʒ⟩ is less strange than the yogh.

Oba fo bakl im luk gut pas yohk de mos mos leta kayn.
But it arguably looks better in most fonts.


JAL

[xxx]

s`va^ùý€gSs`Yj
(you having to do (what) giving smile (to) you and no one(else)...)
best choice is to do what thou wilt...

[Nortaneous]

Fan çad oa Wêsgermansç sprêç, iç vrât c mydd cedille.
When I had a West Germanic language I used <ç>.

[Znex]

Fan çad oa Wêsgermansç sprêç, iç vrât c mydd cedille.
When I had a West Germanic language I used <ç>.

Ʒe nitt ei sedilʒe for me gaulisc tung, forat stae for the meuk t.
I use a cedilla for my Gaulish lang, to represent the lenited *t.

At minns me, ʒe ska warke pen at wi noe punt.
That reminds me, I should work on it at some point.

[Rounin Ryuuji]

Ʒe nitt ei sedilʒe for me gaulisc tung, forat stae for the meuk t.
I use a cedilla for my Gaulish lang, to represent the lenited *t.

At minns me, ʒe ska warke pen at wi noe punt.
That reminds me, I should work on it at some point.

其つ語 何ふ声らゆっへ？
「くえついふ えどふくをへらゆっへ？」
Keotsu iyu edō koelayu e?
[kʰǿ̞ᵝˑ.t̪͡s̪ʰʲỳᵝ íˑ.jỳᵝ è.ⁿðô̞ᵝːˑ kʰʷó̞ᵝˑ.è̞.l̪ʲɐ̞̀.jỳᵝ é̞ˑ]
MESIAL.CONNECTING language how sound.PASSIVE.PREDICATIVE INTERROGATIVE
"How is that language pronounced?"

[Travis B.]

Fan çad oa Wêsgermansç sprêç, iç vrât c mydd cedille.
When I had a West Germanic language I used <ç>.

• high, caale

Tayela fad'a jermanit caalet?
COP-PRES-YESNO language German-GEN high-GEN
Is that a High German language?

[Travis B.]

[kʰǿ̞ᵝˑ.t̪͡s̪ʰʲỳᵝ íˑ.jỳᵝ è.ⁿðô̞ᵝːˑ kʰʷó̞ᵝˑ.è̞.l̪ʲɐ̞̀.jỳᵝ é̞ˑ]

• compress, squeeze, loohi
• sounds (coll.), saxaa
• all, fiza
• crazy, gawa

Gawaaziyemam fizaa saxat loohijat.
crazy-RES-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES-PAT.1.S-INV all-ERG sounds-GEN compress-ADJ.PAT-GEN
All those compressed sounds drive me nuts.

[Travis B.]

Ʒe nitt ei sedilʒe for me gaulisc tung, forat stae for the meuk t.
I use a cedilla for my Gaulish lang, to represent the lenited *t.

At minns me, ʒe ska warke pen at wi noe punt.
That reminds me, I should work on it at some point.

其つ語 何ふ声らゆっへ？
「くえついふ えどふくをへらゆっへ？」
Keotsu iyu edō koelayu e?
[kʰǿ̞ᵝˑ.t̪͡s̪ʰʲỳᵝ íˑ.jỳᵝ è.ⁿðô̞ᵝːˑ kʰʷó̞ᵝˑ.è̞.l̪ʲɐ̞̀.jỳᵝ é̞ˑ]
MESIAL.CONNECTING language how sound.PASSIVE.PREDICATIVE INTERROGATIVE
"How is that language pronounced?"

• suspicious, t'ake

T'akeeziyemam ha taye ⟨ʒ⟩ /j/ ut taye ⟨lʒ⟩ /ʎ/.
suspicious-RES-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES-PAT.1.S-INV COMP COP-PRES ⟨ʒ⟩ /j/ and COP-PRES ⟨lʒ⟩ /ʎ/
I suspect that ⟨ʒ⟩ is /j/ and ⟨lʒ⟩ is /ʎ/.

[Rounin Ryuuji]

[kʰǿ̞ᵝˑ.t̪͡s̪ʰʲỳᵝ íˑ.jỳᵝ è.ⁿðô̞ᵝːˑ kʰʷó̞ᵝˑ.è̞.l̪ʲɐ̞̀.jỳᵝ é̞ˑ]

• compress, squeeze, loohi
• sounds (coll.), saxaa
• all, fiza
• crazy, gawa

Gawaaziyemam fizaa saxat loohijat.
crazy-RES-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES-PAT.1.S-INV all-ERG sounds-GEN compress-ADJ.PAT-GEN
All those compressed sounds drive me nuts.

云方つ性在り゙。
「ゆふきえふつさがあり゙。」
Yûkyeu tsu saga ari.
[jýᵝːˑ.cʰø̞̀ᵝː.t̪͡s̪ʰʲỳᵝ s̪ɐ̞́ˑ.gɐ̞̀ ɐ̞́.ɾ̪ʲì
language.area.GENITIVE trait COPULA.PREDICATIVE
"It's an areal feature."

Gawaaziyemam fizaa saxat loohijat.

其れ憎き書道。
「けうれにふきせきぢ。」
Keole nyûki sekiji.
[kʰǿ̞ᵝˑ.l̪ʲè̞ ɲýːˑ.c͡çì s̪éˑ.c͡çì.^ɲʑì]
ugly.ADNOMINAL write.system
"I think that is an ugly orthography."

[Travis B.]

Gawaaziyemam fizaa saxat loohijat.

其れ憎き書道。
「けうれにふきせきぢ。」
Keole nyûki sekiji.
[kʰǿ̞ᵝˑ.l̪ʲè̞ ɲýːˑ.c͡çì s̪éˑ.c͡çì.^ɲʑì]
ugly.ADNOMINAL write.system
"I think that is an ugly orthography."

• know (trans.), lig
• way, method, hanna
• pretty, iste
• type, key, kita

Taye zon /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/.
COP-PRES DIST.S.INAN /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/
That is /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/.

Ligimet'a hanna hat istefaataye ut kitajafaataye.
know-AGT.1.S-PRES-NEG way COMP-GEN pretty-COMPARE-RES-PASS-PRES and type-ADJ.PAT-COMPARE-RES-PASS-PRES
I do not know how to make it prettier and more typable.

[xxx]

Ligimetha hanna hat istefaataye ut kitajafaataye.

?»¾ƒ¹¼\PÎUa?»¾?»¾º¿ƒ¹¼^‚ÎU
(visions now unpleasant, those visions much and often seen futurely pleasant...)
with use, defects become assets...

[Rounin Ryuuji]

Taye zon /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/.
COP-PRES DIST.S.INAN /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/
That is /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/.

Ligimetha hanna hat istefaataye ut kitajafaataye.
know-AGT.1.S-PRES-NEG way COMP-GEN pretty-COMPARE-RES-PASS-PRES and type-ADJ.PAT-COMPARE-RES-PASS-PRES
I do not know how to make it prettier and more typable.

点𛀁？
すり𛀁？
Sulie?
[s̪ʉ́ᵝ.ʎì.jé̞ˑ]
mark.PLURAL
"Diacritics?"

[Travis B.]

Taye zon /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/.
COP-PRES DIST.S.INAN /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/
That is /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/.

Ligimetha hanna hat istefaataye ut kitajafaataye.
know-AGT.1.S-PRES-NEG way COMP-GEN pretty-COMPARE-RES-PASS-PRES and type-ADJ.PAT-COMPARE-RES-PASS-PRES
I do not know how to make it prettier and more typable.

点𛀁？
すり𛀁？
Sulie?
[s̪ʉ́ᵝ.ʎì.jé̞ˑ]
mark.PLURAL
"Diacritics?"

Taguyetha gon kitajafa.
COP-AGT.3.P.INAN-PRES-NEG DIST.3.P.INAN type-ADJ.PAT-COMPARE
Those are not more typable.