Conlang fluency thread

[jal]

Those are not more typable.

Dis mata bo ki-boh yu af ina Windows :).
That depends on what keyboard you've installed in Windows :).


JAL

[Travis B.]

• mark (trans.), thoone
• design (trans.), q'iika
• small, little, c'enna

Q'iikadim zo ha magiziyeyatha thoonedam c'ennalaa.
design-DAT-AGT.1.S-NEG PROX.S.INAN COMP need-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES-PAT.3.P.INAN-NEG mark-ACTION-P little-P
I designed it so it would not need diacritics.

[Rounin Ryuuji]

Taye zon /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/.
COP-PRES DIST.S.INAN /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/
That is /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/.

Ligimetha hanna hat istefaataye ut kitajafaataye.
know-AGT.1.S-PRES-NEG way COMP-GEN pretty-COMPARE-RES-PASS-PRES and type-ADJ.PAT-COMPARE-RES-PASS-PRES
I do not know how to make it prettier and more typable.

点𛀁？
すり𛀁？
Sulie?
[s̪ʉ́ᵝ.ʎì.jé̞ˑ]
mark.PLURAL
"Diacritics?"

Taguyetha gon kitajafa.
COP-AGT.3.P.INAN-PRES-NEG DIST.3.P.INAN type-ADJ.PAT-COMPARE
Those are not more typable.

蓊しい書つえり。
つゐなしいせきつゑり。
Tinashi seki teoli.
[t̪ʰíˑ.n̪ɐ̞̀.ɕì s̪é̞ˑ.c͡çì t̪ʰøᵝ.ʎíˑ]
wildflower.ADJECTIVE writing than
More typable than this language's orthography. (lit. More than Tinasan₁ writing.)

(Note 1: Internal name of the family to which this language belongs.)

点𛀁在ざば、風書？
すり𛀁あざば、てじせき？
Sulie azaba, tesseki?
[s̪ʉ́ᵝˑ.ʎì.jè̞ ɐ̞́ˑⁿz̪ɐ̞̀.^mbɐ̞̀ | t̪ʰés̪.s̪é̞.c͡çíˑ]
mark copula.NEGATIVE.HYPOTHETICAL wind.write
"If not diacritics, hiragana?"

[Travis B.]

Dis mata bo ki-boh yu af ina Windows .
That depends on what keyboard you've installed in Windows .

• ask, ikha
• add, install, t'ommi
• department, k'ulle
• technology, yuuti
• information, laga
• board, waha
• computer, machine, system, box, yeera

Ikhadimrowit'a k'ullema yuutit lagat ha t'ommidiro wahazun kitaqa yeerama.
ask-DAT-AGT.1.S-FUT-PAT.3.S.ANIM-NEG department-POSS.1.S technology-GEN information-GEN COMP install-DAT-FUT board-DIST.INAN type-ADJ.AGT computer-POSS.1.S
I am not going to ask my IT department to install that keyboard on my computer.

[Travis B.]

• come up with, think up, yoqhe
• name, joot'a

Yoqhedim joot'a fad'azaa, 'fad'ami'.
come.up.with-DAT-AGT.1.S name language-PROX.INAN | language.POSS.1.P
I have come up with a name for this language, 'fad'ami'*.

* literally, "our (exclusive) language"

[Travis B.]

• collect (trans.), qarre
• go (intr.), aagi
• words (coll.), ibba
• post, message, kab'a

Aagiyoma yoxa ut qarrebimaya ibba kab'am chiilaa.
go-ALL-AGT.1.S-PST.IPFV back and collect-ABL-AGT.1.S-PST.IPFV-PAT.3.P.INAN words post-P old-P
I have been going back and collecting words from previous posts.

[Rounin Ryuuji]

• collect (trans.), qarre
• go (intr.), aagi
• words (coll.), ibba
• post, message, kab'a

Aagiyoma yoxa ut qarrebimaya ibba kab'am chiilaa.
go-ALL-AGT.1.S-PST.IPFV back and collect-ABL-AGT.1.S-PST.IPFV-PAT.3.P.INAN words post-P old-P
I have been going back and collecting words from previous posts.

之ろ良き辞を名する゙辞縄有り゙
「いろ𛀁ぅきつゐ𛀁をなする゙きつゐ𛀁にょふあり゙」
Ilo yeoki tiyônasuru tienyô ari.
[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
proximal.LOCATIVE good.PREDICATIVE word.ACCUSATIVE.make.ADNOMINAL word.rope(=thread) copula.PREDICATIVE
"This is a good word-making thread."

Note: In the actual orthography, つゐ ("ti", historically "twi") would have a small ゐ, as にょ (nyo) has a small よ.

[Travis B.]

之ろ良き辞を名する゙辞縄有り゙
「いろ𛀁ぅきつゐ𛀁をなする゙きつゐ𛀁にょふあり゙」
Ilo yeoki tiyônasuru tienyô ari.
[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
proximal.LOCATIVE good.PREDICATIVE word.ACCUSATIVE.make.ADNOMINAL word.rope(=thread) copula.PREDICATIVE
"This is a good word-making thread."

Note: In the actual orthography, つゐ ("ti", historically "twi") would have a small ゐ, as にょ (nyo) has a small よ.

• difficult, rixaa

Nawiguye kab'anam rixaa xacadaa
appear-DAT-AGT.3.P.INAN-PRES post-POSS.2.S-ERG-P difficult write-ACTION
Your posts look hard to write.

[Rounin Ryuuji]

之ろ良き辞を名する゙辞縄有り゙
「いろ𛀁ぅきつゐ𛀁をなする゙きつゐ𛀁にょふあり゙」
Ilo yeoki tiyônasuru tienyô ari.
[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
proximal.LOCATIVE good.PREDICATIVE word.ACCUSATIVE.make.ADNOMINAL word.rope(=thread) copula.PREDICATIVE
"This is a good word-making thread."

Note: In the actual orthography, つゐ ("ti", historically "twi") would have a small ゐ, as にょ (nyo) has a small よ.

• difficult, rixaa

Nawiguye kab'anam rixaa xacadaa
appear-DAT-AGT.3.P.INAN-PRES post-POSS.2.S-ERG-P difficult write-ACTION
Your posts look hard to write.

有り゙。
Ari.
[ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
COPULA.PREDICATIVE
"They are."

咲葩あら、風書悪しい。
「いみしめあら、てじせきをるしい。」
Imishime ara, tesseki worushi.
[í.mʲì.ɕíˑ.mè̞ ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ɐ̞̀ | t̪ʰè̞s̪.s̪é̞ˑ.c͡çì wó̞ᵝˑ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɕì]
bloom.blossom(=Imishimé) TOPICALISER wind.write(=Hiragana) terrible.PREDICATIVE
"Hiragana are awful for Imishimé."

朝鮮書良みやら、しうかう…憎しい
「あさあい゙ぜきよみやら、しうかう…にふしい」
Asālzeki yomiyara, shukō... nyūshi.
ɐ̞́.s̪ɐ̞̀ːl̪.z̪é.é̞ˑ.c͡çì jó̞ᵝˑ.mʲì.jɐ̞̀.ɾ̪ɐ̞̀ | ɕỳ.kʰʷó̞ᵝːˑ | ɲýᵝːˑɕì]
morning.calm(=Korea).write good.CONDITIONAL, but... ugly.PREDICATIVE
"Hangul would be better, but I think it's rather ugly..."

[Travis B.]

• Japan, jafan
• very, strongly, deeply, soole

Nawiziye fad'anaa fad'a jafanit wiib'aja soole.
appear-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES language-POSS.2.S-ERG language Japan-GEN mutate-ADJ.PAT very
Your language looks like a deeply mutated Japonic language.

[Travis B.]

• alphabet, alfabet
• letter, character, sign, symbol, khaafu

Bakizinuya fad'amii aana khaafutam alfabetit ingalisit taguyeyat'a ⟨p⟩ ay ⟨v⟩.
use-AGT.3.S.INAN-HAB-PAT.3.P.INAN language-POSS.1.P-ERG all letter-GEN-P alphabet-GEN English-GEN COP-AGT.3.P.INAN-PRES-PAT.3.P.INAN-NEG ⟨p⟩ or ⟨v⟩.
Fad'ami uses every letter of the English alphabet except for ⟨p⟩ or ⟨v⟩.

[Rounin Ryuuji]

• Japan, jafan
• very, strongly, deeply, soole

Nawiziye fad'anaa fad'a jafanit wiib'aja soole.
appear-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES language-POSS.2.S-ERG language Japan-GEN mutate-ADJ.PAT very
Your language looks like a deeply mutated Japonic language.

ほっい、有り゙。
ほっい、あり゙。
[xʷó̞ᵝˑ.i | ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
Hoi, ari.
Yes, it is one.

I don't have nearly the vocabulary in it to explain, especially since I've just been giving the sound changes a massive overhaul, but if it were a real language, it would be a distant relative of Japanese. The phonology isn't that far off Japanese if nearly all the allophones were phonemes — /p pʲ ɸ b bʲ m mʲ t (ts) d (dz) s z n ɲ k g c ɟ cɕ ɕ ʑ x ç l r w j ɴ a aː i iː (y yː) u uː e eː ø øː o oː ɘ/. It's also notably more permissive about coda consonants, with terminal /s n l r/ and increasingly /ɕ ʑ/ all being permitted in native words.

Selected Etymologies:

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Imi. 語 iyu "language" | Nih. 言う iu "say"
Imi. 其 keo "this, that (mesial)" | Nih. こ ko- "this (proximal)"
Imi. つ tsu connecting or attributive particle | A similar form appears in Japanese place names, and some poetic constructions, as 秋津虫 akitsumushi "dragonfly", literally "autumnal insect"
Imi. 何ふ edō, contraction of Proto-Japonic *edu-ari "which" + copula; the lengthening is hyperadverbialisation; an uncontracted form 何り゙ (edori), "what is it?" also exists | The the do- interrogatives in modern Japanese are an irregular development from earlier forms in idu-.
Imi.
Imi. 声 koe "sound, pronunciation, voice" | Nih. 声 koe "voice'; the two are direct cognates
Imi. 憎き nyūki "ugly (adnominal)" | Nih. 憎い nikui (id., except also used as the predicative); the two are direct cognates
Imi. 書 seki "writing" originally "cursive writing, flowing script" | Nih. 急く seku "hurry, rush"
Imi. 道 ji "road, way, method" | Nih. 道 michi; the ji/chi are direct cognates
Imi. 云 yū "language, linguistic, speech", a form of 語 appearing in compounds | Compare Nih. 言う being sometimes yū.
Imi. 方 kyeu "area" | Nih. 方 kata; this one probably needs more explanation: historic Tinasan pitches were probably close to the more conservative Japonic ones, so Proto-Tinasan *kàtá would have been not dissimilar to the modern Japanese pronunciation; in low-fortis-high patterns, the consonant tends to decay (in this case [t̪ʰ] > [θ] > [h] > null); the two vowels would then coalesce to something like [aː] ([a] > [ɐ̞] happens later), which then merges with an existing [ɔᵝː] in most contexts (unless [a] appears elsewhere in the word, generally). Word-initial fortis stops also gain an intrusive [j] in low-pitched syllables; the resulting sequence [jɔᵝː] > [øᵝː] > [ø̞ᵝː] is the expected development.
Imi. 性 saga "trait, characteristic, feature" | Nih. 性 saga "nature, tradition, custom, habit"; the two are direct cognates.
Imi. 有り゙ ari (copula) | Classical Japanese 有り ari (id.); here us a predictable pattern to where /l/ and /r/ will show up: where at an earlier stage you would get /rʷ/, notably in the sequence */ro₁/, the form fails to lateralise; this specific subfamily reanalyses the -u- stem of the verb as the base, with all verbal endings being historically labialised, whence the copula being ari, not otherwise expected *ali (though 蟻 yali "ant", as expected).
Imi. 𛀁 ye pluraliser, from PJ. *ya, a variant of the pluraliser *ra, note also Japanese 木花咲耶姫 Konohanasakuya-hime, in which sakuya is presumably a variant of sakura; where Japanese has historic /j/ and /r/ alternation, most Tinasan (I only have this one language, the name of which now should probably actually be Inyushimé) much developed, but the setting would imply it has several relatives) languages have /j/ regularly.
&c. &c.

[Travis B.]

Ximaajafaabin zon man.
think-ADJ.PAT-COMPARE-RES-ABL-AGT.2.S DIST.S.INAN 3.S-ACC
You have put more thought in that than me.

[Travis B.]

• vary (intr.), caat'e
• many (coll.), niina

Ligimat'a ha gadi fad'a jafanit niina saxaat caat'ejatlaa.
know-AGT.1.S-PST.IPFV-NEG exist-DAT language Japan-GEN many sounds-GEN vary-ADJ.PAT-GEN-P
I did not know Japanese had so many allophones.

[äreo]

• Japan, jafan
• very, strongly, deeply, soole

Nawiziye fad'anaa fad'a jafanit wiib'aja soole.
appear-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES language-POSS.2.S-ERG language Japan-GEN mutate-ADJ.PAT very
Your language looks like a deeply mutated Japonic language.

ほっい、有り゙。
ほっい、あり゙。
[xʷó̞ᵝˑ.i | ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
Hoi, ari.
Yes, it is one.

I don't have nearly the vocabulary in it to explain, especially since I've just been giving the sound changes a massive overhaul, but if it were a real language, it would be a distant relative of Japanese. The phonology isn't that far off Japanese if nearly all the allophones were phonemes — /p pʲ ɸ b bʲ m mʲ t (ts) d (dz) s z n ɲ k g c ɟ cɕ ɕ ʑ x ç l r w j ɴ a aː i iː (y yː) u uː e eː ø øː o oː ɘ/. It's also notably more permissive about coda consonants, with terminal /s n l r/ and increasingly /ɕ ʑ/ all being permitted in native words.

Áro címitto. Sdonas nippongorá stempissu?
I like this. When does it diverge from Japanese?

[Rounin Ryuuji]

• Japan, jafan
• very, strongly, deeply, soole

Nawiziye fad'anaa fad'a jafanit wiib'aja soole.
appear-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES language-POSS.2.S-ERG language Japan-GEN mutate-ADJ.PAT very
Your language looks like a deeply mutated Japonic language.

ほっい、有り゙。
ほっい、あり゙。
[xʷó̞ᵝˑ.i | ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
Hoi, ari.
Yes, it is one.

I don't have nearly the vocabulary in it to explain, especially since I've just been giving the sound changes a massive overhaul, but if it were a real language, it would be a distant relative of Japanese. The phonology isn't that far off Japanese if nearly all the allophones were phonemes — /p pʲ ɸ b bʲ m mʲ t (ts) d (dz) s z n ɲ k g c ɟ cɕ ɕ ʑ x ç l r w j ɴ a aː i iː (y yː) u uː e eː ø øː o oː ɘ/. It's also notably more permissive about coda consonants, with terminal /s n l r/ and increasingly /ɕ ʑ/ all being permitted in native words.

Áro címitto. Sdonas nippongorá stempissu?
I like this. When does it diverge from Japanese?

裏ふ久しい蓊日本語。
ゆらふいにしいつゐなふね゙いふ。
Yulyeuinishi Tinafure-iyu.
[jýᵝ.ʎø̞̀ᵝː.íˑ.ɲì.ɕì t̪ʰí.n̪ɐ̞̀.ɸʉ́ᵝˑ.ɾ̪è̞ íˑ.jỳ]
former.ADV ancient.ADJECTIVAL wildflower(=Tinasan)-sun.origin(=Japanese)-language
"Proto-Japonic." (Lit. "Proto-Tinasan-Japonic", which would probably be the name of the protolanguage if both languages actually existed.)

[jal]

[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]

Your posts look hard to write.

Dem fo specal luk ahcip fi tok.
They especially look difficult to speak.


JAL

[xxx]

[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]

xÎÍC¿ÎxÎC¿ÎaÐ
(this word seen as word seen new...)
its IPA looks like a conscript...

[Rounin Ryuuji]

[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]

Your posts look hard to write.

Dem fo specal luk ahcip fi tok.
They especially look difficult to speak.

な、難さぜひ。易しい
「な、あらさぜひ。や゙さしい。」
Na, alasazei. Lasashi.
/ná | alasázeː || lásaɕi/
[n̪ɐ̞̂ˑ | ɐ̞́.l̪ʲɐ̞̀.s̪ɐ̞́ˑ.z̪è̞ː || l̪ʲɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ɐ̞̀.ɕì]
no | difficult.NEGATIVE || easy.PREDICATIVE
"No, it isn't hard. It's easy."

[Travis B.]

[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]

Your posts look hard to write.

Dem fo specal luk ahcip fi tok.
They especially look difficult to speak.

• agree with (trans.), q'atti

Q'attimena
agree-AGT.1.S-PRES-PAT.2.S
Agreed.