Phoneme frequency

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Travis B.
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Re: Phoneme frequency

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Ahzoh wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:05 pm
Travis B. wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:02 pm
Ahzoh wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:54 pm Imterestingly, Urartian is the only non-Semitic language with so-called "emphatic consonants" though the Hurro-Urartian family is also speculated to be related to the Caucasian languages, so that probably tracks.
Remember, though, that Semitic "emphatic" consonants originated as simple ejectives, as still reflected by South Semitic, which are by no means unique to Semitic. Also, a similar outcome of original ejectives has happened elsewhere, e.g. in the Berber languages.
They are called emphatic because they often don't stay ejectives. All we can say is that the speakers distinguished them from plain and voiced counterparts.

And in this case, the nature of Urartians "emphatic" series (likely borrowed terminology) are unknown just like Akkadian's emphatics, so it can't be said if they're ejectives exactly.
If Urartian is para-Caucasian I'd suspect its "emphatic" series is an ejective series, as ejectives are common in Caucasian languages. Also, if they are recorded in cuneiform in a manner common with Akkadian cuneiform, that would give weight to the reconstruction of Akkadian "emphatics" as ejectives as well.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Re: Phoneme frequency

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For reference amarin's nasal heaviness makes for a distinct sound

Relative to Old Amarin the sonorant sounds *j and *r are more frequently found and *w, *j and nothing replace all instances of *mp, *nk and *nt respectively
Ahzoh
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Re: Phoneme frequency

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foxcatdog wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:47 am Image
For reference amarin's nasal heaviness makes for a distinct sound

Relative to Old Amarin the sonorant sounds *j and *r are more frequently found and *w, *j and nothing replace all instances of *mp, *nk and *nt respectively
I want to do something like this but I just don't have a large enough corpus or dictionary
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Re: Phoneme frequency

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You don’t truly need a very large one. Of course it helps, but a reasonably short sample text can be enough to yield good results.

For reference, foxcatdog (and I) used this website: http://akana.conlang.org/tools/frequentizer.html
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Neonnaut
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Re: Phoneme frequency

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I had taken The Frequentizer and made it more mobile friendly, and dark-reader friendly. https://neonnaut.neocities.org/the_frequentizer . Unfortunately there is still a bug-feature where it will give blank results if you give it zero vowels in the text corpus.

On that note, according to this paper http://www.skase.sk/Volumes/JTL09/pdf_doc/1.pdf phonemes follow the Yule distribution. But from reading the paper, it gives the impression that the Gusein-zade distribution would be just as good. On a further note, I wonder what Zompist's "Gen" medium drop-off is... It seems to be Zipfian from my limited testing.
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