Elections in various countries

[Raphael]

Oh, and good luck to people living in India or Pakistan.

[alice]

And... it's very black.

[Raphael]

Did anyone else have the impression that the crowd sounded relatively subdued when Prevost's name was read?

What do those of us who know something about Peru know about him?

[alice]

Did anyone else have the impression that the crowd sounded relatively subdued when Prevost's name was read?

Possibly nothing more than "and which one is that again?"?

[Raphael]

Well, Wikipedia claims that when Paul VI got elected, the senior cardinal deacon hadn't even finished reading his pre-Papal name before the crowd started applauding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_papal_conclave

So Leo is an Augustinian. Unfortunately, my understanding of Catholic monastic orders doesn't go much farther than "Jesuits do scholarship, Franciscans do social work, and Benedictines do herbs", so I don't know what to make of that.

[Ares Land]

The left-wing Catholics I follow on Bluesky seem happy; I believe he's expected to follow in Francis' footsteps, more or less.

Possibly nothing more than "and which one is that again?"?

I think so as well. I understand that most cardinals were created (which is apparently the proper word?) by Francis and are relatively unknown.

[Raphael]

The left-wing Catholics I follow on Bluesky seem happy; I believe he's expected to follow in Francis' footsteps, more or less.

It's probably a good sign that he took the name of the author of Rerum Novarum.

Then again, I think I vaguely remember that Francis himself was thought to be more conservative when he first became Pope, so you never know.

[Ares Land]

Then again, I think I vaguely remember that Francis himself was thought to be more conservative when he first became Pope, so you never know.

I remember hearing that Francis wasn't really that progressive -- and that likewise Benedict XVI wasn't that much of a conservative.

It makes sense that lay people would have a biased view. Most of the pope's activity goes right over our head -- I know the Synod on Synodality is important, but even the name boggles me.

[Raphael]

I remember hearing that Francis wasn't really that progressive -- and that likewise Benedict XVI wasn't that much of a conservative.

It makes sense that lay people would have a biased view. Most of the pope's activity goes right over our head -- I know the Synod on Synodality is important, but even the name boggles me.

What might be confusing for some people is that, to the limited extent that there is a kind of "official" political position of the Catholic Church, it seems to be basically a kind of "inverted libertarianism" - very conservative on cultural issues, and a little bit left-leaning on economic issues. That might be a bit difficult for some people to wrap their minds around.

[Raphael]

Meanwhile, the Indian cricket Premier League has been suspended. That doesn't tell us anything good about where things on the subcontinent are headed.

[Raphael]

What do those of us who know something about Peru know about him?

More than a day and no replies?

[zompist]

most cardinals were created (which is apparently the proper word?)

I would suggest "reddened". Or, given the etymological meaning 'like a hinge', "hinged." Then an excommunicated cardinal would be "unhinged."

[Raphael]

Wait - did the Trump Administration just manage it to actually get something good done? What little I've heard so far makes me seriously curious about what I and the world in general haven't heard yet. (Posted here instead of in the US politics thread because it is, after all, about South Asia.)

[Ares Land]

most cardinals were created (which is apparently the proper word?)

I would suggest "reddened". Or, given the etymological meaning 'like a hinge', "hinged." Then an excommunicated cardinal would be "unhinged."

Flawless logic!

Wait - did the Trump Administration just manage it to actually get something good done? What little I've heard so far makes me seriously curious about what I and the world in general haven't heard yet. (Posted here instead of in the US politics thread because it is, after all, about South Asia.)

What happened? I didn't see anything like that in the news.

[Raphael]

Wait - did the Trump Administration just manage it to actually get something good done? What little I've heard so far makes me seriously curious about what I and the world in general haven't heard yet. (Posted here instead of in the US politics thread because it is, after all, about South Asia.)

What happened? I didn't see anything like that in the news.

I mean the supposed ceasefire between India and Pakistan - though there are already many accusations of violations, so we don't know where things are headed - which was apparently partly worked out by the Trump Administration.

[MacAnDàil]

Yes, it's weird that every so-called "intellectual" the CIA pushes on us suddenly loves traditional values. I'm amazed they thought that would work. This is what I mean when I say everyone is literally Hitler. It seems like we have to ignore the entirety of civilization and think independently.

Ignoring the entirety of civilization would be tabula rasa, that Musk and co want also so not necessarily as good or as left-wing it may seem.

[Raphael]

Belated thought related to the Papal succession: If we assume for a moment that there's an afterlife where all the dead Popes go to the same place, then the introduction between Francis and Clement XIV must have been awkward.

[Lērisama]

What Zompist said in the US thread reminded me of some good news, but it's a bit off-topic there, so it's here instead.

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Orbán in Hungary: 15 years and counting

Hopefully not for long: Tisza¹³ has been leading the polls in Hungary⁴ since around January. Gerrymandering means this doesn't necessarily mean Fidész will lose, but the helpful seat projections on that page are varying between a small Tisza majority and a hung parliament.

¹ Anti corruption party founded² by the ex-husband of one of the women Fidész scapegoated for pardoning someone who tried to get sufferers of sexual assult to withdraw their cases
² Okay, apparently it was founded earlier, but noöne has heard of it before aforementioned pardoning scandal
³ Centre-right-ish on a spectrum not dominated by the Fidésziness of a party. It sits in the EPP in the European Parliament
⁴ I saw this somewhere else, but I can't find that source now, so have Wikipedia

[malloc]

In some surprising good news, Romania narrowly voted against a far right candidate in last Sunday's second round of presidential elections. Unfortunately the remarkably close margins demonstrate all too well the enduring popularity of far right politics these days. It seems increasingly doubtful that the reactionary fever will ever break at this point.

[MacAnDàil]

In some surprising good news, Romania narrowly voted against a far right candidate in last Sunday's second round of presidential elections. Unfortunately the remarkably close margins demonstrate all too well the enduring popularity of far right politics these days. It seems increasingly doubtful that the reactionary fever will ever break at this point.

Thank you for recognising there is good news.