The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

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Both [sʌb.səˌkwɛnʔ.li:~sʌb.səˌkwɛnʔ.lɪ] and [sʌb'siː.kwəʔ.liː~sʌb'siː.kwəʔ.lɪ]; which tends to depend on how well it fits into the cadence of the rest of the utterance.
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Linguoboy wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:08 am subsequently
[ˈsʌbsəˌkwn̩ʔli], I think.
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Linguoboy wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:08 am subsequently
[ˈsʌːpsɘˌkʰwɜ̃ʔɰi(ː)]
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Does anyone in any dialect say [bi˞d] or [biɹd], etc., or is this an entirely spelling pronunciation? I swear I heard it today somewhere online.
/j/ <j>

Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
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Zju wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:17 pm Does anyone in any dialect say [bi˞d] or [biɹd], etc., or is this an entirely spelling pronunciation? I swear I heard it today somewhere online.
Scottish English perhaps?
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Linguoboy wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:08 am subsequently
[ˈsʌb̥sɘkwɘntli], [ˈsʌb̥sɘkwɘnʔli]
Zju wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:17 pm Does anyone in any dialect say [bi˞d] or [biɹd], etc., or is this an entirely spelling pronunciation? I swear I heard it today somewhere online.
That's how I pronounce "beard".
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Estav wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:31 pm
Zju wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:17 pm Does anyone in any dialect say [bi˞d] or [biɹd], etc., or is this an entirely spelling pronunciation? I swear I heard it today somewhere online.
That's how I pronounce "beard".
I was for some reason thinking of "bird" myself.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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I'm pretty sure the word I heard was bird.
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Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
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"son"

Just noticed Wiktionary claims this word can be pronounced with the LOT vowel, instead of the usual STRUT. Who pronounces it with LOT?
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Zju wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:17 pm Does anyone in any dialect say [bi˞d] or [biɹd], etc., or is this an entirely spelling pronunciation? I swear I heard it today somewhere online.
Was it by any chance this bit of video? I think the intent was humorous
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Linguoboy wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:08 amsubsequently
I think I read it with stress on "quent", but otoh, might also have initial stress, which I assume is the proper one.


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One of my coworkers pronounces directory as [dʑʁ̩ˤːˈʁˤɜʔktɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)] - does anyone else have similar pronunciations?
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Travis B. wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:55 amOne of my coworkers pronounces directory as [dʑʁ̩ˤːˈʁˤɜʔktɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)] - does anyone else have similar pronunciations?
Trying to get my head wrapped what it says, but basically it has a palatized "d" and overlong "r"s?


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jal wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:00 pm
Travis B. wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:55 amOne of my coworkers pronounces directory as [dʑʁ̩ˤːˈʁˤɜʔktɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)] - does anyone else have similar pronunciations?
Trying to get my head wrapped what it says, but basically it has a palatized "d" and overlong "r"s?
Yes, that is an affricated and palatalized /d/ (and an affricated and palatalized /t/, which is much more common here); as for the /r/s, that is just because syllabic /r/ before a vowel is always paired with a non-syllabic /r/ in the onset of the following syllable IMD.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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quinterbeck wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:15 am
Zju wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:17 pm Does anyone in any dialect say [bi˞d] or [biɹd], etc., or is this an entirely spelling pronunciation? I swear I heard it today somewhere online.
Was it by any chance this bit of video? I think the intent was humorous
Indeed, that has likely been it.
/j/ <j>

Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
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Travis B. wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:55 am One of my coworkers pronounces directory as [dʑʁ̩ˤːˈʁˤɜʔktɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)] - does anyone else have similar pronunciations?
I have something like [dɪˈɹɛktʃəɹɪ] varying with forms where the third vowel is elided. I suspect this comes from the compressed form /dɪˈrɛktri/ being subject to regular affrication in the /tr/ cluster, and then it spreading to the uncompressed form. Something similar could I suppose happen at the beginning of the word too, but it doesn't for me.
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anteallach wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:26 pm
Travis B. wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:55 am One of my coworkers pronounces directory as [dʑʁ̩ˤːˈʁˤɜʔktɕʁ̩ˤːʁˤi(ː)] - does anyone else have similar pronunciations?
I have something like [dɪˈɹɛktʃəɹɪ] varying with forms where the third vowel is elided. I suspect this comes from the compressed form /dɪˈrɛktri/ being subject to regular affrication in the /tr/ cluster, and then it spreading to the uncompressed form. Something similar could I suppose happen at the beginning of the word too, but it doesn't for me.
I have hypothesized that as being a source of the affrication in /tər/ IMD... except the problem with that hypothesis is that /tr/ is unpalatalized, i.e. the /t/ in /tr/ is [tʃ] but the /t/ in /tər/ is [tɕ]. Also, in some varieties there are words that imply that a compressed form is not at work, e.g. yes[tɕ]erday, sis[tɕ]er, or mis[tɕ]er (at least in how I pronounced it while growing up, as in Mister Rogers).
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Travis B. wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:41 pm I have hypothesized that as being a source of the affrication in /tər/ IMD... except the problem with that hypothesis is that /tr/ is unpalatalized, i.e. the /t/ in /tr/ is [tʃ] but the /t/ in /tər/ is [tɕ]. Also, in some varieties there are words that imply that a compressed form is not at work, e.g. yes[tɕ]erday, sis[tɕ]er, or mis[tɕ]er (at least in how I pronounced it while growing up, as in Mister Rogers).
I don't suppose it's a regular shift of /st/ > [stɕ]?
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Rounin Ryuuji wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:43 pm
Travis B. wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:41 pm I have hypothesized that as being a source of the affrication in /tər/ IMD... except the problem with that hypothesis is that /tr/ is unpalatalized, i.e. the /t/ in /tr/ is [tʃ] but the /t/ in /tər/ is [tɕ]. Also, in some varieties there are words that imply that a compressed form is not at work, e.g. yes[tɕ]erday, sis[tɕ]er, or mis[tɕ]er (at least in how I pronounced it while growing up, as in Mister Rogers).
I don't suppose it's a regular shift of /st/ > [stɕ]?
The regular realization of /st/ IMD is [sʲtʲ], except word-finally when monomorphemic, where then it is a simple unpalatalized [s] when not pronounced carefully. /stər/ is regularly realized as [sʲtʲʁ̩ˤ], but in certain words such as these non-prevocalic /stər/ may be [sʲtɕʁ̩ˤ], [ɕtɕʁ̩ˤ], [ɕːʁ̩ˤ], or even [ɕʁ̩ˤ]. Considering that many words IMD have [tɕʁ̩ˤ] for prevocalic /tər/ or [sʲtɕʁ̩ˤ] or [ɕtɕʁ̩ˤ] for prevocalic /stər/, (e.g. history, factory, refractory, and other -tory words, restaurant, etc.).
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Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Kalamata as in the olive.
tɑ tɑ tɑ tɑ θiθɾ eɾloθ tɑ moew θerts olɑrk siθe
of of of of death abyss of moew kingdom sand witch-PLURAL
The witches of the desert of the kingdom of Moew of the Abyss of Death

tɑ toɾose koɾot tsɑx
of apple-PLURAL magic cold
cold magic of apples
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