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Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:07 am
by xxx
take it easy, in France political discussions are seen as conversations,
we must not put too much at stake,
but take pleasure in the twists and turns and the offbeat arguments that can arise,
I am not particularly right-wing,
but dogmatism off-ground annoys me a little
and I don't hesitate to provoke,
anyone who loses his cool has lost,
and pays for the drinks...
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Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:22 am
by masako
Ares Land wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:25 am
Suddenly the topics shifts to discussing how acceptable bigotry is. Decent people get angry, both at the bigotry (which
is offensive) and at the vague and shifting nature of the far right argument, and then suddenly they're the insulting, crazy and incoherent one. That's probably the goal of the whole maneuver.
I'm not interested in playing that game; in fact I don't even want to be in a place where that game is played, so I guess I'll be taking a bit of a break.
Same.
Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:47 pm
by Travis B.
xxx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:07 am
[snip]
Stop trying to paint yourself as the reasonable one here. Your views are not reasonable at all, and fundamentally are unacceptable.
Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:59 pm
by xxx
no, but we need someone to defend a different point of view,
and that would be me...
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Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:01 pm
by Travis B.
xxx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 2:59 pm
[snip]
Not all "points of view" (such a euphemistic way to put it) should be defended.
Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:07 pm
by xxx
the opinion of a large part
of the population must be heard...
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Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:10 pm
by Travis B.
xxx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:07 pm
[snip]
How many people believe something makes it no more or less valid.
Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:26 pm
by xxx
in representative democracy,
representatives must...
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Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:39 pm
by Raphael
xxx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:26 pm
in representative democracy,
representatives must...
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To my knowledge, no one on the ZBB is an elected representative. And in French politics, I'm pretty sure the elected RN officeholders already represent their voters' views. You seem to forget that the elected officeholders from other parties have to represent the views of these other parties' voters.
Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:50 pm
by Travis B.
xxx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:26 pm
[snip]
Remember, sorry, but the RN lost. The people of France rejected fascism, which is something you seem to forget.
Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:53 pm
by xxx
We who speak of representatives,
who must represent all voters,
and not just their own,
we must also take this into account...
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Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:56 pm
by Raphael
xxx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:53 pm
We who speak of representatives,
who must represent all voters,
and not just their own,
we must also take this into account...
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It's not like RN politicians are going to represent non-RN voters. Then again, you seem to think that
no one should represent non-RN voters.
Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:59 pm
by xxx
I'm arguing the exact opposite here...
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Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:00 pm
by Travis B.
xxx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:53 pm
[snip]
The mandate here is for the people who opposed fascism, whether left-wing or centrist, not with the fascists.
Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:05 pm
by xxx
that's bigotry
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Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:08 pm
by Travis B.
xxx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:05 pm
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Clearly you don't understand what bigotry is.
Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:13 pm
by xxx
a better translation might be sectarianism...
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Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:16 pm
by Travis B.
xxx wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:13 pm
[snip]
It is only "sectarianism" when your favored party does not get its way. Clearly you would not think the same way if the RN had gotten a plurality or majority and then proceeded to inflict its fascism on France as a whole.
Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:23 pm
by xxx
I don't consider myself to be represented by these sectarians...
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Re: Elections in various countries
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2024 4:30 pm
by xxx
I fall asleep having spoken so much in tongue...
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