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Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:53 pm
by bradrn
Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:08 pm
How do you guys pronounce
hydrant, as in
fire hydrant?
[ˈɦɑ͡ɪd͡ʒʷɻʷəntˢ]
(The initial phoneme definitely seems to be [ɦ] rather than [h], but I’m not entirely sure why…)
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:08 am
by Darren
[ˈhɑe̯d͡ʒʷɻʷn̩(ʔ)]
In connected speech the /h/ would probably be voiced like brad's
[ˈfɑe̯ɜɻʷ ͜ ˌˌɦɑe̯d͡ʒʷɻʷn̩(ʔ)]
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:15 am
by Space60
Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:01 pm
Space60 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:43 pm
Does anyone with Canadian raising have raising in "high chair"? I know that some have raising in "high school".
Yep, for both: [ˈhəe̯ˌtʃʰɛ̝(ː)ʁˤ], [ˈhəe̯ˌsku(ː)ʊ̯].
That seems to suggest that "high chair" and "high school" function as single words even though orthographically they are two words.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:53 am
by Linguoboy
Space60 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:43 pm
Does anyone with Canadian raising have raising in "high chair"?
Only sporadically. I don't have it in "hydrant" at all. (The only possibly oddity about that word for me is that the coda is [ɨ̃ˀ].)
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:57 am
by Travis B.
Linguoboy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:53 am
Space60 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:43 pm
Does anyone with Canadian raising have raising in "high chair"?
Only sporadically. I don't have it in "hydrant" at all. (The only possibly oddity about that word for me is that the coda is [ɨ̃ˀ].)
Interestingly enough, while I have raising in
hydrant, I don't have it in
hydra (the mythical creature), or most
hydro- words such
hydroelectric (but as I've mentioned before I do have it in
hydrogen).
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:10 pm
by anteallach
Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:13 pm
Space60 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:50 pm
anteallach wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:42 am
/ˈkʌmftərbəl/
... where /r/ may be realised as zero or as a slight modification (pharyngealisation?) of the vowel, but I'm confident it's phonemically present in this word. Also, /mf/ in post-stress position (as here) tends to have an intrusive [p], but I don't think I'd analyse there being a /p/ there.
I have an intrusive [p] in "hamster". I have often seem people misspell the word as "hampster".
I have [p] in
hamster but that reflects an underlying /p/, as I pronounce
hams as [ˈhɛ̃ə̯̃ms], i.e. without [p] or [b].
Doesn't
hams have /z/ though? I think epenthetic stops between nasals and fricatives in English are more prevalent before fortis fricatives than lenis; indeed I don't think I have any examples before lenis fricatives, but I have lots before fortis ones.
(Not that that means that /p/ in
hamster is a bad analysis.)
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:54 pm
by Travis B.
anteallach wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:10 pm
Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:13 pm
Space60 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:50 pm
I have an intrusive [p] in "hamster". I have often seem people misspell the word as "hampster".
I have [p] in
hamster but that reflects an underlying /p/, as I pronounce
hams as [ˈhɛ̃ə̯̃ms], i.e. without [p] or [b].
Doesn't
hams have /z/ though? I think epenthetic stops between nasals and fricatives in English are more prevalent before fortis fricatives than lenis; indeed I don't think I have any examples before lenis fricatives, but I have lots before fortis ones.
(Not that that means that /p/ in
hamster is a bad analysis.)
This true -
hams for me has an underlying /z/ even though I normally realize final /z/ as [s] when not followed by a vowel in a following word.
(Note that I should have transcribed
hams as [ˈhɛ̃ːə̯̃ms] above since it contains final /z/; I have corrected this in my original post.)
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:46 pm
by Raholeun
What about "Meuse" (the river). Interested in non-English responses too.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:03 pm
by Travis B.
Raholeun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:46 pm
What about "Meuse" (the river). Interested in non-English responses too.
/mjuz/ [mjyːs]
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:23 pm
by anteallach
Raholeun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:46 pm
What about "Meuse" (the river). Interested in non-English responses too.
[mœːz], rhyming with non-rhotic "furs"
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:05 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Raholeun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:46 pm
What about "Meuse" (the river). Interested in non-English responses too.
Possibly with the French pronunciation, [møːz] (I've never said the word in English), or something approaching [mʊːz]; or possibly a reading pronunciation [miːj'juːʊz] (I have a very odd relationship with orthographic
eu, ew and spelling pronunciations).
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:56 am
by Ryusenshi
My first instinct is [møːz], but I'm not sure how I would mangle it properly in an English context.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:34 pm
by Linguoboy
Ryusenshi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:56 amMy first instinct is [møːz], but I'm not sure how I would mangle it properly in an English context.
Same. I know that pronouncing it identically to "Muse" rubs me the wrong way though. I'd go with /muːz/ before /mjuːz/ to maintain the distinction.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:55 pm
by Raholeun
Interesting that none of the responses have it end in a schwa.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:11 pm
by Travis B.
Raholeun wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:55 pm
Interesting that none of the responses have it end in a schwa.
English final <e> is practically never pronounced as a schwa, even in foreign names. For instance, in the dialect here in southeastern Wisconsin, final <e> in names of German origin is traditionally pronounced with /i/.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:29 pm
by Linguoboy
Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:11 pmFor instance, in the dialect here in southeastern Wisconsin, final <e> in names of German origin is traditionally pronounced with /i/.
Same in Missouri.
For French borrowings, the options for final orthographic <e> seem to be limited to /0/ and (often hypercorrect) /eː/.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:45 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
The only example of English final -e being a schwa that comes immediately to mind is the pronunciation of laude (as in cum lauda, magna cum laude, summa cum laude) by some speakers as [laʊdə].
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:00 am
by Travis B.
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:45 pm
The only example of English final -e being a schwa that comes immediately to mind is the pronunciation of
laude (as in
cum lauda, magna cum laude, summa cum laude) by some speakers as [laʊdə].
Actually, another example that comes to mind, now that I think of it, is in
vice as in
vice versa, which can be either /ˈvaɪsəˌvɜrsə/ or /ˈvaɪsˌvɜrsə/.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:56 am
by Rounin Ryuuji
Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:00 am
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:45 pm
The only example of English final -e being a schwa that comes immediately to mind is the pronunciation of
laude (as in
cum lauda, magna cum laude, summa cum laude) by some speakers as [laʊdə].
Actually, another example that comes to mind, now that I think of it, is in
vice as in
vice versa, which can be either /ˈvaɪsəˌvɜrsə/ or /ˈvaɪsˌvɜrsə/.
Oh, yes, I'd forgotten that one.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:17 am
by Space60
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:56 am
Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:00 am
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:45 pm
The only example of English final -e being a schwa that comes immediately to mind is the pronunciation of
laude (as in
cum lauda, magna cum laude, summa cum laude) by some speakers as [laʊdə].
Actually, another example that comes to mind, now that I think of it, is in
vice as in
vice versa, which can be either /ˈvaɪsəˌvɜrsə/ or /ˈvaɪsˌvɜrsə/.
Oh, yes, I'd forgotten that one.
Also "genre".