Re: United States Politics Thread 46
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:43 am
once again the democrats' loss is everyone's fault except the democrats. shocking that calling people stupid and ignorant didn't win them over to your sideTravis B. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 1:36 am Unless the last uncounted votes decisively turn for Harris, to all those who voted for Trump, I really hope you enjoy the dictatorship you've chosen. Unfortunately everyone else has to enjoy it too, and not just you alone. Each and every American eligible to vote who did not vote for Harris should be considered personally responsible for what comes next. If you were too stupid or too ignorant to realize what Trump will to do this country a second time around, it is still your fault.
There is no contradiction between being loving and tolerant towards the loving and tolerant, and being hateful towards the hateful.
Actually, this is necessary for tolerance to survive. If we are tolerant to the intolerant, the intolerant will take over and will wipe out tolerance (i.e. the paradox of tolerance).
Umm it was very obvious what the Republicans stood/stand for and what they were planning to do (the Republicans did nothing to hide it), so anyone who could vote and didn't vote for Harris frankly was/is necessarily either stupid/ignorant (i.e. they didn't realize what Trump was/is for and was/is planning to do or were somehow deluded into thinking it was a good thing) or evil (i.e. they knew full well what Trump intended and how bad it would be and supported it because of that). And you are just making excuses for them with statements like that.Emily wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:44 amonce again the democrats' loss is everyone's fault except the democrats. shocking that calling people stupid and ignorant didn't win them over to your sideTravis B. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 1:36 am Unless the last uncounted votes decisively turn for Harris, to all those who voted for Trump, I really hope you enjoy the dictatorship you've chosen. Unfortunately everyone else has to enjoy it too, and not just you alone. Each and every American eligible to vote who did not vote for Harris should be considered personally responsible for what comes next. If you were too stupid or too ignorant to realize what Trump will to do this country a second time around, it is still your fault.
Are you referring to the position that the people who could vote and didn't vote for Harris are either stupid/ignorant or evil or to the idea of the paradox of intolerance? In the first case there was a definite, objective morally right choice and morally wrong choice, and these people made the morally wrong choice. In the other case if the intolerant are tolerated, they take over and dominate until tolerance is eliminated.
I can't speak for Ahzoh, but I myself don't hate people for being "nonbelievers"; I might hate or dislike them for being complete asshats. There might well be no single other person in the world who has the exact same combination of political opinions as me, so if I'd hate everyone who disagrees with me about something political, I'd probably have to hate everyone.
I also believe that everybody is allowed to say something stupid this week. Nerves and emotions are going to be running raw.
They don't have to be loving and tolerant, they just have to not be braindead stupid enough to give power to the leopard that will either not give them what they want or eat their face off. They will reap what they sow and suffer for it, but unfortunately, now we must also
I think people here see the racism, misogyny, the 'fuck you got mine' attitude, and remember the half-farce half-coup Capitol thing. I believe it's understandable that people might get angry at that?
It looks like every one hates a loser: people on every social media are compiling a list of what Harris should said or been instead.
OK, just to make this clear, none of what I'm about to write is meant as a defense of any Trump voters. It's just a bit of psychological speculation.
Giving everyone a vote means letting the poorly-educated vote. It always seemed odd to me that the same people who lionize democracy openly insult those without education. Like, the poorly-educated are going to have a vote, and instead of reaching out to them, you (the general “you”, not you specifically) just demonize them. Small wonder they vote for the party that doesn’t practice open intellectual snobbery and bullying against them. (I still remember 2016, when Clinton called half the country a “basket of deplorable”, while Trump said “I love the poorly-educated”.)
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Is it "open intellectual snobbery and bullying" to expect people to be just slightly informed (e.g. occasionally opening Google News and reading about politics or even just turning on any TV channel other than Fox News every so often), to be angry when they either patently ignore everything that comes directly out of their chosen candidate's own mouth right in the very open, in the kind of media that they themselves are likely to follow (i.e. they are ignorant) or actively agree with it and think it is good (i.e. they are evil)?Man in Space wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:32 pmGiving everyone a vote means letting the poorly-educated vote. It always seemed odd to me that the same people who lionize democracy openly insult those without education. Like, the poorly-educated are going to have a vote, and instead of reaching out to them, you (the general “you”, not you specifically) just demonize them. Small wonder they vote for the party that doesn’t practice open intellectual snobbery and bullying against them. (I still remember 2016, when Clinton called half the country a “basket of deplorable”, while Trump said “I love the poorly-educated”.)
If one party constantly bangs their drum to shit on you for your (lack of) education, would you care what the other does so long as they embraced you? EDIT: Put another way—if one party makes it clear they despise you, why would you be inclined to vote for them?Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 1:09 pmIs it "open intellectual snobbery and bullying" to expect people to be just slightly informed (e.g. occasionally opening Google News and reading about politics or even just turning on any TV channel other than Fox News every so often), to be angry when they either patently ignore everything that comes directly out of their chosen candidate's own mouth right in the very open, in the kind of media that they themselves are likely to follow (i.e. they are ignorant) or actively agree with it and think it is good (i.e. they are evil)?Man in Space wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:32 pmGiving everyone a vote means letting the poorly-educated vote. It always seemed odd to me that the same people who lionize democracy openly insult those without education. Like, the poorly-educated are going to have a vote, and instead of reaching out to them, you (the general “you”, not you specifically) just demonize them. Small wonder they vote for the party that doesn’t practice open intellectual snobbery and bullying against them. (I still remember 2016, when Clinton called half the country a “basket of deplorable”, while Trump said “I love the poorly-educated”.)
You seem to expect the Democrats to prostrate themselves before the Republican base and never say anything that may slightly offend them while the Republicans constantly shit on anything left of, well, far-right with impunity.Man in Space wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 1:13 pmIf one party constantly bangs their drum to shit on you for your (lack of) education, would you care what the other does so long as they embraced you? EDIT: Put another way—if one party makes it clear they despise you, why would you be inclined to vote for them?Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 1:09 pmIs it "open intellectual snobbery and bullying" to expect people to be just slightly informed (e.g. occasionally opening Google News and reading about politics or even just turning on any TV channel other than Fox News every so often), to be angry when they either patently ignore everything that comes directly out of their chosen candidate's own mouth right in the very open, in the kind of media that they themselves are likely to follow (i.e. they are ignorant) or actively agree with it and think it is good (i.e. they are evil)?Man in Space wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:32 pm Giving everyone a vote means letting the poorly-educated vote. It always seemed odd to me that the same people who lionize democracy openly insult those without education. Like, the poorly-educated are going to have a vote, and instead of reaching out to them, you (the general “you”, not you specifically) just demonize them. Small wonder they vote for the party that doesn’t practice open intellectual snobbery and bullying against them. (I still remember 2016, when Clinton called half the country a “basket of deplorable”, while Trump said “I love the poorly-educated”.)