Zompist Bboard Again

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:53 pm Is this Chadic? Vowel system appears to be /a e o ɨ/, which is very distinctive; if Chadic, then it’s probably Bana or Margi or something like that. EDIT: ‘Bana or Margi’ suggests Biu-Mandara; is that correct?

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 11:20 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:53 pm Is this Chadic? Vowel system appears to be /a e o ɨ/, which is very distinctive; if Chadic, then it’s probably Bana or Margi or something like that. EDIT: ‘Bana or Margi’ suggests Biu-Mandara; is that correct?

Biu-Mandara but neither Bana nor Margi

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 8:59 pm an easy one and a less easy one

Duqaça meхkaška gholla tiysab az go,
Cecväхav qiça lättiy jalamo.
Хila mega uzh хozagha dikagha, sa dog xhoх laz!
Duqaça lätteх xha ċa khägilg az lurgdac!

dewrad wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 11:59 pm Chechen? But spelled weirdly: gh should be ġ and xh should be ẋ, I think.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 11:34 pm Well, yes, I was just giving those ones as examples. But I will admit that I am now stumped. Certainly, it doesn’t appear to be anywhere in the Grammar Pile, and I’m not quite sure how else I would figure this out given the size of Biu-Mandara.

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 2:11 am The weird thing is that most Biu-Mandara languages seem to have implosives and tones, but your text doesn’t have either. Are there implosives and tones, but they just aren’t transcribed orthographically? Or does this language genuinely lack them?

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 9:42 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 2:11 am The weird thing is that most Biu-Mandara languages seem to have implosives and tones, but your text doesn’t have either. Are there implosives and tones, but they just aren’t transcribed orthographically? Or does this language genuinely lack them?

more sample sentences

Ele ndana ege na, ne a Kosewa. Ne məndəye ga elé əwla. Ne ɗəwer ga. Alala na, gogolvan na, olo alay. Acar a hay kəre ava fo fo fo. Sen ala na, okfom adaɗala ɓav! Ne awəy, "Alma amədəvala okfom nehe may?" Mbaɗala ehe na, nabay oko, nazaɗala təystəlam əwla. Nabay cəzlar. Nábay na, námənjar na, mbajak mbajak mbajak gogolvan! Ne awəy, "A, enen bay na, memey na!" Ne mbət məmbete oko əwla na, kaləw nazaɗala ezlere əwla. Mək ava alay, mecesle mbəraɓ! Ele a Hərmbəlom ele ga ajənaw ete kəl kəl kə ndahan aka. Adəɗala vbaɓ a wəyen ava. Ne dəyday məkəɗe na aka. How əwla olo alay awəy egege, "A a nəngehe na, Hərmbəlom aloko ehe. Bəyna anjakay nok ha a slam məndəye ango ava, alala Hərmbəlom ajənok na, səwse Hərmbəlom." Hor əwla ahaw kəygehe. Alala, nəzlərav na ala gogolvan na a amata ava. Ko dedew babəza əwla ahay aməzləravala amata na, tawəy, "Baba ákaɗ gogolvan, baba ákad gogolvan!" Tájaka kəygehe. Ka nehe ləbara a ma ndana ɗəwge.

Karch wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 11:03 am Moloko?

Karch wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 11:03 am Moloko?

Karch wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:07 am It's simple! Moloko is probably the most well-known Biu-Mandara language (and I've seen Nort talk about it before) due to being analyzed as having one phonemic vowel - so I guessed and got it right.

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:17 am But if you’re just going by number of vowels, then surely Wandala is more interesting — I believe it’s been analysed as having no phonemic vowels!

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:11 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:17 am But if you’re just going by number of vowels, then surely Wandala is more interesting — I believe it’s been analysed as having no phonemic vowels!

aw, hell, I have to dust off my bad college German now. if they insisted on writing in a language other than English couldn't they have been sensible and done it in Latin

(my high school Latin is much better than my college German -- high school precedes college and my high school was very out of date, so there was less time for the rot in the ~Field of Education~ to set in. reject modernity, embrace tradition, &c., &c.)

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:16 pm Oh, I just saw that claim on Wikipedia, citing this presentation — I didn’t even know the grammar (which I assume is what you’re talking about) was written in German! The Grammar Pile does have an English grammar, but that one claims three underlying vowels rather than none.

Nortaneous wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:27 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:16 pm Oh, I just saw that claim on Wikipedia, citing this presentation — I didn’t even know the grammar (which I assume is what you’re talking about) was written in German! The Grammar Pile does have an English grammar, but that one claims three underlying vowels rather than none.

afaict the paper that makes the no-vowels claim is Frühe lexikalische Quellen zum Wandala (Mandara) und das Rätsel des Stammauslauts

lœβyŋ por te naðœŋœn nan lohe te ɣaβɒr hɔβ ɣaβe jør̥ takɛrsa laðalan
jør̥ takɛt tɛriɛn ppɛrɛ te tapɔsr̥ tatete hoβ jør̥ takɛrsa
jamkɛp nɛriɛn te ɣapɔsr̥
te marjɛr̥ ɔpɛl te mjɛlt rɨsa marjɛr̥ lœðɒl βarkɛ nan
ɣɛ ɔpɛl te mkɛrsa marjɛr̥ lyn
ɣɛ ɔpɛl te mkɛrsa marjɛr̥
ɣamɨlhɔβ ðɛmɛðɨn mkɛrsa mjan ɔro llɒð ttœr mrɔɣ rki ɣaββɨŋœn
mjaaajan naðœŋœn ɔro llɒð ttœr mr̥ɛr βe ɣr̥ɛr jør jrep ɣamr̥ɛrp
ɣamkal jɛljɛl te mr̥ɛr myl te mr̥ɛr hu te mr̥ɛr haβyl te mr̥ɛr hatœr
jør βɔɣ ɣam aβɣøðɣøð jør
nnɒr βe ɣɨðɛmɛð ys mkɛp nwar pɛl jɛhu nkɛp nwar pɛl jɛl nkɛp nwar pɛl jɛha nkɛp nwar pɛl
mɒryŋ nwar te tɨkyn mjaaan jør ɣaβe ɣar̥ɛr ðɛmɛð nnɒr na nwar βɔrɣɛ

EastOfEden wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 1:08 am Here's one. This is a sample text from an academic paper on the language. I was unable to simply copy/paste it out of the original document (the text got all glitched), so this is a full retyping, during which I also took the opportunity to switch it to standard IPA from the slightly nonstandard transcription system that it originally used.

lœβyŋ por te naðœŋœn nan lohe te ɣaβɒr hɔβ ɣaβe jør̥ takɛrsa laðalan
jør̥ takɛt tɛriɛn ppɛrɛ te tapɔsr̥ tatete hoβ jør̥ takɛrsa
jamkɛp nɛriɛn te ɣapɔsr̥
te marjɛr̥ ɔpɛl te mjɛlt rɨsa marjɛr̥ lœðɒl βarkɛ nan
ɣɛ ɔpɛl te mkɛrsa marjɛr̥ lyn
ɣɛ ɔpɛl te mkɛrsa marjɛr̥
ɣamɨlhɔβ ðɛmɛðɨn mkɛrsa mjan ɔro llɒð ttœr mrɔɣ rki ɣaββɨŋœn
mjaaajan naðœŋœn ɔro llɒð ttœr mr̥ɛr βe ɣr̥ɛr jør jrep ɣamr̥ɛrp
ɣamkal jɛljɛl te mr̥ɛr myl te mr̥ɛr hu te mr̥ɛr haβyl te mr̥ɛr hatœr
jør βɔɣ ɣam aβɣøðɣøð jør
nnɒr βe ɣɨðɛmɛð ys mkɛp nwar pɛl jɛhu nkɛp nwar pɛl jɛl nkɛp nwar pɛl jɛha nkɛp nwar pɛl
mɒryŋ nwar te tɨkyn mjaaan jør ɣaβe ɣar̥ɛr ðɛmɛð nnɒr na nwar βɔrɣɛ

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