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Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 10:40 am
by jal
Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:13 amThose are not more typable.
Dis mata bo ki-boh yu af ina Windows :).
That depends on what keyboard you've installed in Windows :).
JAL
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 10:42 am
by Travis B.
- mark (trans.), thoone
- design (trans.), q'iika
- small, little, c'enna
Q'iikadim zo ha magiziyeyatha thoonedam c'ennalaa.
design-DAT-AGT.1.S-NEG PROX.S.INAN COMP need-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES-PAT.3.P.INAN-NEG mark-ACTION-P little-P
I designed it so it would not need diacritics.
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 10:58 am
by Rounin Ryuuji
Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:13 am
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 9:59 am
Travis B. wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 3:26 pm
Taye zon /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/.
COP-PRES DIST.S.INAN /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/
That is /ɣawaːzijɛmam fizaː saχat loːxidzat/.
Ligimetha hanna hat istefaataye ut kitajafaataye.
know-AGT.1.S-PRES-NEG way COMP-GEN pretty-COMPARE-RES-PASS-PRES and type-ADJ.PAT-COMPARE-RES-PASS-PRES
I do not know how to make it prettier and more typable.
点𛀁？
すり𛀁？
Sulie?
[s̪ʉ́ᵝ.ʎì.jé̞ˑ]
mark.PLURAL
"Diacritics?"
Taguyetha gon kitajafa.
COP-AGT.3.P.INAN-PRES-NEG DIST.3.P.INAN type-ADJ.PAT-COMPARE
Those are not more typable.
蓊しい書つえり。
つゐなしいせきつゑり。
Tinashi seki teoli.
[t̪ʰíˑ.n̪ɐ̞̀.ɕì s̪é̞ˑ.c͡çì t̪ʰøᵝ.ʎíˑ]
wildflower.ADJECTIVE writing than
More typable than this language's orthography. (lit.
More than Tinasan1 writing.)
(Note 1: Internal name of the family to which this language belongs.)
点𛀁在ざば、風書？
すり𛀁あざば、てじせき？
Sulie azaba, tesseki?
[s̪ʉ́ᵝˑ.ʎì.jè̞ ɐ̞́ˑ
nz̪ɐ̞̀.
mbɐ̞̀ | t̪ʰés̪.s̪é̞.c͡çíˑ]
mark copula.NEGATIVE.HYPOTHETICAL wind.write
"If not diacritics, hiragana?"
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 11:03 am
by Travis B.
jal wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:40 am
Dis mata bo ki-boh yu af ina Windows 
.
That depends on what keyboard you've installed in Windows
.
- ask, ikha
- add, install, t'ommi
- department, k'ulle
- technology, yuuti
- information, laga
- board, waha
- computer, machine, system, box, yeera
Ikhadimrowit'a k'ullema yuutit lagat ha t'ommidiro wahazun kitaqa yeerama.
ask-DAT-AGT.1.S-FUT-PAT.3.S.ANIM-NEG department-POSS.1.S technology-GEN information-GEN COMP install-DAT-FUT board-DIST.INAN type-ADJ.AGT computer-POSS.1.S
I am not going to ask my IT department to install that keyboard on my computer.
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 11:41 am
by Travis B.
- come up with, think up, yoqhe
- name, joot'a
Yoqhedim joot'a fad'azaa, 'fad'ami'.
come.up.with-DAT-AGT.1.S name language-PROX.INAN | language.POSS.1.P
I have come up with a name for this language, 'fad'ami'*.
* literally, "our (exclusive) language"
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 8:28 pm
by Travis B.
- collect (trans.), qarre
- go (intr.), aagi
- words (coll.), ibba
- post, message, kab'a
Aagiyoma yoxa ut qarrebimaya ibba kab'am chiilaa.
go-ALL-AGT.1.S-PST.IPFV back and collect-ABL-AGT.1.S-PST.IPFV-PAT.3.P.INAN words post-P old-P
I have been going back and collecting words from previous posts.
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 9:39 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:28 pm
- collect (trans.), qarre
- go (intr.), aagi
- words (coll.), ibba
- post, message, kab'a
Aagiyoma yoxa ut qarrebimaya ibba kab'am chiilaa.
go-ALL-AGT.1.S-PST.IPFV back and collect-ABL-AGT.1.S-PST.IPFV-PAT.3.P.INAN words post-P old-P
I have been going back and collecting words from previous posts.
之ろ良き辞を名する゙辞縄有り゙
「いろ𛀁ぅきつゐ𛀁をなする゙きつゐ𛀁にょふあり゙」
Ilo yeoki tiyônasuru tienyô ari.
[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
proximal.LOCATIVE good.PREDICATIVE word.ACCUSATIVE.make.ADNOMINAL word.rope(=thread) copula.PREDICATIVE
"This is a good word-making thread."
Note: In the actual orthography, つゐ ("ti", historically "twi") would have a small ゐ, as にょ (nyo) has a small よ.
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 10:11 pm
by Travis B.
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:39 pm
之ろ良き辞を名する゙辞縄有り゙
「いろ𛀁ぅきつゐ𛀁をなする゙きつゐ𛀁にょふあり゙」
Ilo yeoki tiyônasuru tienyô ari.
[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
proximal.LOCATIVE good.PREDICATIVE word.ACCUSATIVE.make.ADNOMINAL word.rope(=thread) copula.PREDICATIVE
"This is a good word-making thread."
Note: In the actual orthography, つゐ ("ti", historically "twi") would have a small ゐ, as にょ (nyo) has a small よ.
Nawiguye kab'anam rixaa xacadaa
appear-DAT-AGT.3.P.INAN-PRES post-POSS.2.S-ERG-P difficult write-ACTION
Your posts look hard to write.
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 10:37 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:11 pm
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:39 pm
之ろ良き辞を名する゙辞縄有り゙
「いろ𛀁ぅきつゐ𛀁をなする゙きつゐ𛀁にょふあり゙」
Ilo yeoki tiyônasuru tienyô ari.
[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
proximal.LOCATIVE good.PREDICATIVE word.ACCUSATIVE.make.ADNOMINAL word.rope(=thread) copula.PREDICATIVE
"This is a good word-making thread."
Note: In the actual orthography, つゐ ("ti", historically "twi") would have a small ゐ, as にょ (nyo) has a small よ.
Nawiguye kab'anam rixaa xacadaa
appear-DAT-AGT.3.P.INAN-PRES post-POSS.2.S-ERG-P difficult write-ACTION
Your posts look hard to write.
有り゙。
Ari.
[ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
COPULA.PREDICATIVE
"They are."
咲葩あら、風書悪しい。
「いみしめあら、てじせきをるしい。」
Imishime ara, tesseki worushi.
[í.mʲì.ɕíˑ.mè̞ ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ɐ̞̀ | t̪ʰè̞s̪.s̪é̞ˑ.c͡çì wó̞ᵝˑ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɕì]
bloom.blossom(=Imishimé) TOPICALISER wind.write(=Hiragana) terrible.PREDICATIVE
"Hiragana are awful for Imishimé."
朝鮮書良みやら、しうかう…憎しい
「あさあい゙ぜきよみやら、しうかう…にふしい」
Asālzeki yomiyara, shukō... nyūshi.
ɐ̞́.s̪ɐ̞̀ːl̪.z̪é.é̞ˑ.c͡çì jó̞ᵝˑ.mʲì.jɐ̞̀.ɾ̪ɐ̞̀ | ɕỳ.kʰʷó̞ᵝːˑ | ɲýᵝːˑɕì]
morning.calm(=Korea).write good.CONDITIONAL, but... ugly.PREDICATIVE
"Hangul would be better, but I think it's rather ugly..."
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 11:01 pm
by Travis B.
- Japan, jafan
- very, strongly, deeply, soole
Nawiziye fad'anaa fad'a jafanit wiib'aja soole.
appear-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES language-POSS.2.S-ERG language Japan-GEN mutate-ADJ.PAT very
Your language looks like a deeply mutated Japonic language.
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 11:48 pm
by Travis B.
- alphabet, alfabet
- letter, character, sign, symbol, khaafu
Bakizinuya fad'amii aana khaafutam alfabetit ingalisit taguyeyat'a ⟨p⟩ ay ⟨v⟩.
use-AGT.3.S.INAN-HAB-PAT.3.P.INAN language-POSS.1.P-ERG all letter-GEN-P alphabet-GEN English-GEN COP-AGT.3.P.INAN-PRES-PAT.3.P.INAN-NEG ⟨p⟩ or ⟨v⟩.
Fad'ami uses every letter of the English alphabet except for ⟨p⟩ or ⟨v⟩.
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 8:59 am
by Rounin Ryuuji
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 11:01 pm
- Japan, jafan
- very, strongly, deeply, soole
Nawiziye fad'anaa fad'a jafanit wiib'aja soole.
appear-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES language-POSS.2.S-ERG language Japan-GEN mutate-ADJ.PAT very
Your language looks like a deeply mutated Japonic language.
ほっい、有り゙。
ほっい、あり゙。
[xʷó̞ᵝˑ.i | ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
Hoi, ari.
Yes, it is one.
I don't have nearly the vocabulary in it to explain, especially since I've just been giving the sound changes a massive overhaul, but if it were a real language, it would be a distant relative of Japanese. The phonology isn't that far off Japanese if nearly all the allophones were phonemes — /p pʲ ɸ b bʲ m mʲ t (ts) d (dz) s z n ɲ k g c ɟ cɕ ɕ ʑ x ç l r w j ɴ a aː i iː (y yː) u uː e eː ø øː o oː ɘ/. It's also notably more permissive about coda consonants, with terminal /s n l r/ and increasingly /ɕ ʑ/ all being permitted in native words.
Selected Etymologies:
Imi. 語 iyu "language" | Nih. 言う iu "say"
Imi. 其 keo "this, that (mesial)" | Nih. こ ko- "this (proximal)"
Imi. つ tsu connecting or attributive particle | A similar form appears in Japanese place names, and some poetic constructions, as 秋津虫 akitsumushi "dragonfly", literally "autumnal insect"
Imi. 何ふ edō, contraction of Proto-Japonic *edu-ari "which" + copula; the lengthening is hyperadverbialisation; an uncontracted form 何り゙ (edori), "what is it?" also exists | The the do- interrogatives in modern Japanese are an irregular development from earlier forms in idu-.
Imi.
Imi. 声 koe "sound, pronunciation, voice" | Nih. 声 koe "voice'; the two are direct cognates
Imi. 憎き nyūki "ugly (adnominal)" | Nih. 憎い nikui (id., except also used as the predicative); the two are direct cognates
Imi. 書 seki "writing" originally "cursive writing, flowing script" | Nih. 急く seku "hurry, rush"
Imi. 道 ji "road, way, method" | Nih. 道 michi; the ji/chi are direct cognates
Imi. 云 yū "language, linguistic, speech", a form of 語 appearing in compounds | Compare Nih. 言う being sometimes yū.
Imi. 方 kyeu "area" | Nih. 方 kata; this one probably needs more explanation: historic Tinasan pitches were probably close to the more conservative Japonic ones, so Proto-Tinasan *kàtá would have been not dissimilar to the modern Japanese pronunciation; in low-fortis-high patterns, the consonant tends to decay (in this case [t̪ʰ] > [θ] > [h] > null); the two vowels would then coalesce to something like [aː] ([a] > [ɐ̞] happens later), which then merges with an existing [ɔᵝː] in most contexts (unless [a] appears elsewhere in the word, generally). Word-initial fortis stops also gain an intrusive [j] in low-pitched syllables; the resulting sequence [jɔᵝː] > [øᵝː] > [ø̞ᵝː] is the expected development.
Imi. 性 saga "trait, characteristic, feature" | Nih. 性 saga "nature, tradition, custom, habit"; the two are direct cognates.
Imi. 有り゙ ari (copula) | Classical Japanese 有り ari (id.); here us a predictable pattern to where /l/ and /r/ will show up: where at an earlier stage you would get /rʷ/, notably in the sequence */ro1/, the form fails to lateralise; this specific subfamily reanalyses the -u- stem of the verb as the base, with all verbal endings being historically labialised, whence the copula being ari, not otherwise expected *ali (though 蟻 yali "ant", as expected).
Imi. 𛀁 ye pluraliser, from PJ. *ya, a variant of the pluraliser *ra, note also Japanese 木花咲耶姫 Konohanasakuya-hime, in which sakuya is presumably a variant of sakura; where Japanese has historic /j/ and /r/ alternation, most Tinasan (I only have this one language, the name of which now should probably actually be Inyushimé) much developed, but the setting would imply it has several relatives) languages have /j/ regularly.
&c. &c.
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 7:54 pm
by Travis B.
Ximaajafaabin zon man.
think-ADJ.PAT-COMPARE-RES-ABL-AGT.2.S DIST.S.INAN 3.S-ACC
You have put more thought in that than me.
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 10:37 pm
by Travis B.
- vary (intr.), caat'e
- many (coll.), niina
Ligimat'a ha gadi fad'a jafanit niina saxaat caat'ejatlaa.
know-AGT.1.S-PST.IPFV-NEG exist-DAT language Japan-GEN many sounds-GEN vary-ADJ.PAT-GEN-P
I did not know Japanese had so many allophones.
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 12:01 am
by äreo
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 8:59 am
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 11:01 pm
- Japan, jafan
- very, strongly, deeply, soole
Nawiziye fad'anaa fad'a jafanit wiib'aja soole.
appear-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES language-POSS.2.S-ERG language Japan-GEN mutate-ADJ.PAT very
Your language looks like a deeply mutated Japonic language.
ほっい、有り゙。
ほっい、あり゙。
[xʷó̞ᵝˑ.i | ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
Hoi, ari.
Yes, it is one.
I don't have nearly the vocabulary in it to explain, especially since I've just been giving the sound changes a massive overhaul, but if it were a real language, it would be a distant relative of Japanese. The phonology isn't that far off Japanese if nearly all the allophones were phonemes — /p pʲ ɸ b bʲ m mʲ t (ts) d (dz) s z n ɲ k g c ɟ cɕ ɕ ʑ x ç l r w j ɴ a aː i iː (y yː) u uː e eː ø øː o oː ɘ/. It's also notably more permissive about coda consonants, with terminal /s n l r/ and increasingly /ɕ ʑ/ all being permitted in native words.
Áro címitto. Sdonas nippongorá stempissu?
I like this. When does it diverge from Japanese?
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 9:02 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
äreo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 12:01 am
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 8:59 am
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 11:01 pm
- Japan, jafan
- very, strongly, deeply, soole
Nawiziye fad'anaa fad'a jafanit wiib'aja soole.
appear-AGT.3.S.INAN-PRES language-POSS.2.S-ERG language Japan-GEN mutate-ADJ.PAT very
Your language looks like a deeply mutated Japonic language.
ほっい、有り゙。
ほっい、あり゙。
[xʷó̞ᵝˑ.i | ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
Hoi, ari.
Yes, it is one.
I don't have nearly the vocabulary in it to explain, especially since I've just been giving the sound changes a massive overhaul, but if it were a real language, it would be a distant relative of Japanese. The phonology isn't that far off Japanese if nearly all the allophones were phonemes — /p pʲ ɸ b bʲ m mʲ t (ts) d (dz) s z n ɲ k g c ɟ cɕ ɕ ʑ x ç l r w j ɴ a aː i iː (y yː) u uː e eː ø øː o oː ɘ/. It's also notably more permissive about coda consonants, with terminal /s n l r/ and increasingly /ɕ ʑ/ all being permitted in native words.
Áro címitto. Sdonas nippongorá stempissu?
I like this. When does it diverge from Japanese?
裏ふ久しい蓊日本語。
ゆらふいにしいつゐなふね゙いふ。
Yulyeuinishi Tinafure-iyu.
[jýᵝ.ʎø̞̀ᵝː.íˑ.ɲì.ɕì t̪ʰí.n̪ɐ̞̀.ɸʉ́ᵝˑ.ɾ̪è̞ íˑ.jỳ]
former.ADV ancient.ADJECTIVAL wildflower(=Tinasan)-sun.origin(=Japanese)-language
"Proto-Japonic." (Lit. "Proto-Tinasan-Japonic", which would probably be the name of the protolanguage if both languages actually existed.)
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Tue May 28, 2024 5:23 am
by jal
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:11 pmRounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:39 pm[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
Your posts look hard to write.
Dem fo specal luk ahcip fi tok.
They especially look difficult to speak.
JAL
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Tue May 28, 2024 5:42 am
by xxx
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:39 pm[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
xÎÍC¿ÎxÎC¿ÎaÐ
(this word seen as word seen new...)
its IPA looks like a conscript...
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Tue May 28, 2024 6:59 am
by Rounin Ryuuji
jal wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:23 am
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:11 pmRounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:39 pm[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
Your posts look hard to write.
Dem fo specal luk ahcip fi tok.
They especially look difficult to speak.
な、難さぜひ。易しい
「な、あらさぜひ。や゙さしい。」
Na, alasazei. Lasashi.
/ná | alasázeː || lásaɕi/
[n̪ɐ̞̂ˑ | ɐ̞́.l̪ʲɐ̞̀.s̪ɐ̞́ˑ.z̪è̞ː || l̪ʲɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ɐ̞̀.ɕì]
no | difficult.NEGATIVE || easy.PREDICATIVE
"No, it isn't hard. It's easy."
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Posted: Tue May 28, 2024 10:08 am
by Travis B.
jal wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 5:23 am
Travis B. wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:11 pmRounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:39 pm[í.ˑɫ̪ʷò̞ᵝ jǿ̞ᵝˑc͡çì t̪ʰí.jò̞ᵝː.n̪ɐ̞́ˑ.s̪ʉ̀ᵝ.ɾ̪ʉ̀ᵝ t̪ʰi̯é̞ːˑ.ɲò̞ᵝː ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì]
Your posts look hard to write.
Dem fo specal luk ahcip fi tok.
They especially look difficult to speak.
- agree with (trans.), q'atti
Q'attimena
agree-AGT.1.S-PRES-PAT.2.S
Agreed.