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Re: Twin Aster

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:27 am
by Raholeun
Man in Space wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:01 pm
Raholeun wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:26 pmYou have an enviable inhibition when it comes to writing lore. I'm rather jealous, if not awed by those who can come up with names and dates with apparent ease. I have trouble picking stuff like that, establishing and sticking with it and it can be a disinhibition to conworlding.
I'm afraid I'm not quite understanding here. Could you please rephrase?
It hardly matters, but as Jonlang sort of broached a very similar theme before (although my issue pertains more to creation of lore, rather than lexicon) I might as well quote them:
Jonlang wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:11 am Does anyone else struggle with coming up with a word for something which sounds right? I know we can simply come up with roots and derivations and apply them arbitrarily and build a lexicon fairly quickly; but for me, I too often think "but that doesn't sound like 'grass' to me"; or "that sounds more like 'carry' than 'bring'", etc. Maybe I get too hung up on words sounding "right". For example, the word ipsen came to my mind and I instantly knew that it means 'know' somehow, and that's how it stayed. I cannot, however, think of a word, or even a root, which I can apply to 'speak/speech' - which is annoying because I could then give at least one of my conlangs a name.

Re: Twin Aster

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:26 pm
by ophois
Man in Space wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:01 pm The Rad-Priests of Oqsh

Oqsh (whose name has existed for some time and wasn't made up because of Oklo—it might be spelt different but I've mentioned it in this thread before) is a polity somewhere within the Burning Mountains (presumably on the northern face and not "in the elbow"). I really, really want to do like that nuclear semiotics video suggested and have literal rad-priests, but I want to do it in a way that sounds at least halfway plausible and it makes me ponder the question of whether figuring out nuclear power earlier would be realistic, and how that might affect the society if so.

I'm going to throw stuff to the wall and see if any of it sticks.

Oqsh has always been a feared, bellicose recluse state tucked away somewhere on Íröd. Mountains are sometimes known for what is mined of them, and that seems as good a starting point as any. I found this thanks to the august Dr. Wik E. Pedia, and it seems to say that the Oklo reactors were at some point below ground? Which makes it reasonable that they'd know something was down there thanks to an iconic subterranean cave system with a notable groundwater reservoir. My guess is there'd be a sort of natural reactor site that was accessible thanks to said caves, and that—after much trial, error, and loss of life—at least some of the basics were worked out. Part of this would translate into the sort of weighty aesthetic that I've had in mind for Oqsh for a while (a subtle nod to radiation protection).

Unlike a putative cult of radiation as discussed in the present era on Earth, the Oqsh cult seems like it'd be a mix of ancient history mythologized and actual scientific or practical observation. I think an inversion in order in that the Oqsh cult not only does not clash with mainstream science, it encourages it, in large part to better understand the phenomena at play in radioactivity. zompist has mentioned the trope of the lame smith possibly owing its origins to the use of arsenic in historical metalsmithing, and I wonder if something similar would be at play here. The vomiting acolyte (which would be hilarious since it's already a trope in Caberdom that having a weak stomach is a sign of good character—i.e. you literally can't stomach bad deeds—and saying of someone that they have a strong stomach is a grave insult), maybe? A trope that death is, ideally, painful (i.e. that you suffer and die from eventual cumulative radiation exposure)?

This also suggests to me that it's possible (whether it's likely is another story entirely, but possible is the target for now) that, with enough savvy and good fortune, other, similar reactors could be made if knowledge got out in some form or other, and what sort of effects that would have on Írödian history. I do know that fusion is known in the "present day", and helium-3 is used a lot; it's the entire reason for the colonies around Náirad—they simply scoop it up from the night side of the planet, process it while still in the B system, and then cart it off back to Íröd for use.

There should likely be an Oqshite cult presence in the Patchwork States.angu
Great stuff. Two things of note: First, modern nuclear power plants use steam as an intermediary. Might the proto-Oqshites simply use nuclear-powered steam engines, without converting into electricity?

Also, Oklo and Akli made me think of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aklo. Just a funny coincidence, but what will the Oqshite language be like?

Re: Twin Aster

Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 7:13 pm
by Man in Space
ophois wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:26 pmGreat stuff.
Thank you!
ophois wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:26 pmTwo things of note: First, modern nuclear power plants use steam as an intermediary. Might the proto-Oqshites simply use nuclear-powered steam engines, without converting into electricity?
That's more or less what I was thinking initially. The steam would be used for in-situ megaprojects and the like. Only with later, further study would they even begin to understand what was going on.
ophois wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:26 pmAlso, Oklo and Akli made me think of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aklo. Just a funny coincidence, but what will the Oqshite language be like?
You're in luck. Let's find out.

Proto-Oqsh

/*m *n̪ *n *nʲ *ŋ/ m ņ n ñ g
/*p *t̪ *t *tʲ *k/ p d t j k
/*β *ð *l *j *h/ b ð l y h

/*i *ɨ *u/ i u w
/*ɛ *a *ɔ/ e a o

/*a *ḁ *a̰ *a͈/ a å ã à (i.e., modal, slack, creaky, ballistic)

ββ ðð ll jj hh > pβ t̪ð ts tʲj ŋ / %_
N > Ø / _NN
[+cor +α POA] [+cor +β POA] > [+cor +α POA] [+cor +α POA]
a ɛ ɨ i > ɵ œ ʉ y / _P, P_
β ð l j > ɸ θ ɬ s / V͈_
Tt̪ Tt Ttʲ > t̪θ ts tʲʃ
NTn̪ NTn NTnʲ > n̪t̪ nt nʲtʲ

*tboņĝñà [tβɔŋnʲa͈]
*yyìb [tʲjy͈ɸ]
*bõ [βœ̰]
*ñuyàlũ [nʲɨja͈ɬɨ̰]
*lñiñ [lnʲinʲ]
*bwtim [βutim]
*bnòð [βnɔ͈θ]
*tèmp [tɛ͈mb]
*ñe̊bya [nʲɛ̥βja]
*ĝmũ [ŋmʉ̰]
*ņũb [n̪ʉ̰ɸ]
*tuðĝũdòm [tɨðŋɨ̰t̪ɔ͈m]
*ĝo [ŋɔ]
*yũ [jɨ̰]
*knõyò [knɔ̰jɔ͈]
*ĝĩ [ŋḭ]
*tjiñĝa [tʲʃiŋŋa]
*ĝunyuĝubbĝẽb [ŋɨnjɨŋɨββŋɛ̰β]
*ñnåĝ [n̪t̪ḁŋ]
*nnàb [nta͈ɸ]
*jĝðõlĝmuñ [tʲŋðɔ̰lŋmʉnʲ]
*mam [mɵm]
*ñoðlòñu [nʲɔðlɔ͈nʲɨ]
*jnůlðe̊h [tʲnʲɨ̥lðɛ̥h]
*tyòmp [tjɔ͈mp]
*ĝèñw [ŋɛ͈nʲu]
*ñeb [nʲœβ]
*ne [nɛ]
*ĝum [ŋʉm]
*nůb [nʉ̥β]
*yùtãñ [jɨ͈ta̰nʲ]
*ĝìbņũ [ŋy͈ɸn̪ɨ̰]
*lñẁmp [lnʲu͈mp]
*ĝnw̃ð [ŋnṵð]
*tbůðñemnèbĝe̊ [tβʉ̥ðnʲɛmnɛ͈ɸŋɛ̥]

gen dump:
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V=uoeiaw
D=00000tjbĝdknñņpm
C=ĝñtynlbkmņdhðjp0
R=000ñymņðnĝblh
N=00bñlmðņBnhĝy
S=000kdjt
T=1324

Bk|B
Bd|B
Bj|B
Bt|B
B|mp
0||
a1|a
a2|å
a3|ã
a4|à
e1|e
e2|e̊
e3|ẽ
e4|è
i1|i
i2|ı̊
i3|ĩ
i4|ì
o1|o
o2|o̊
o3|õ
o4|ò
u1|u
u2|ů
u3|ũ
u4|ù
w1|w
w2|ẘ
w3|w̃
w4|ẁ

DCRVTN

Medium/Frequent