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Linguoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:52 pm "Tong" isn't used in the singular in any standard variety of English I know. I'd call these "pasta tongs".

For some reason "tong" does not seem ungrammatical to me at least, like "I used a salad tong to remove salad from the bag and place it in the bowl", which for me is cromulent.

OTOH, the above uses of "clip" and "clamp" certainly are not cromulent.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:16 pmOTOH, the above uses of "clip" and "clamp" certainly are not cromulent.

Product ads these days are full of sus machine translations. I never trust them anymore when trying to learn new vocabulary in a non-native language.

the more resources and the less efficient we are...
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xxx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:58 pm [images]

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:38 pm Product ads these days are full of sus machine translations. I never trust them anymore when trying to learn new vocabulary in a non-native language.

Wait, these are real ads??? My initial read was that xxx made them as a joke. I had a good chuckle about that.

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:52 pm "Tong" isn't used in the singular in any standard variety of English I know.

In places that have Chinatowns, and Hong Kong, and probably Taiwan, and maybe Singapore, a “tong” is pretty much the Chinese equivalent of a Japanese zaibatsu. If there’s a difference, it might be that tongs always have a political “department”, whereas I’m unaware of most zaibatsus having any permanent political sub-agency.
Maybe “triad society” is the phrase British-derived HongKongians use for “tong”?

HK English is in my opinion a standard variety of English. (I could be wrong!)

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:52 pm I’d call these "pasta tongs".

I think that’s right!

TomHChappell wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:51 pm

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:52 pm "Tong" isn't used in the singular in any standard variety of English I know.

In places that have Chinatowns, and Hong Kong, and probably Taiwan, and maybe Singapore, a “tong” is pretty much the Chinese equivalent of a Japanese zaibatsu. If there’s a difference, it might be that tongs always have a political “department”, whereas I’m unaware of most zaibatsus having any permanent political sub-agency.
Maybe “triad society” is the phrase British-derived HongKongians use for “tong”?

I suspect this ‘tong’ is etymologically unrelated.

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:07 pm

TomHChappell wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:51 pm In places that have Chinatowns, and Hong Kong, and probably Taiwan, and maybe Singapore, a “tong” is pretty much the Chinese equivalent of a Japanese zaibatsu. If there’s a difference, it might be that tongs always have a political “department”, whereas I’m unaware of most zaibatsus having any permanent political sub-agency.
Maybe “triad society” is the phrase British-derived HongKongians use for “tong”?

I suspect this ‘tong’ is etymologically unrelated.

I suspect it’s borrowed into English from some Chinese lexeme. Don’t know which Chinese language (or “dialect”).

What’s the etymology of the other tongs? Like, for serving salad?

TomHChappell wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:14 pm I suspect it’s borrowed into English from some Chinese lexeme. Don’t know which Chinese language (or “dialect”).

What’s the etymology of the other tongs? Like, for serving salad?

According to Wiktionary:

• The more common meaning comes from West Germanic *tangu of the same meaning, ultimately from PIE *denḱ- ‘to bite’
• The other meaning is from Cantonese 堂 tong⁴.

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:29 pm

• The other meaning is from Cantonese 堂 tong⁴.

Somehow I just knew it had to be from Cantonese.