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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:43 pm
by Richard W
Travis B. wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 10:49 am
Raphael wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 8:51 am Not sure if it counts, but there's also "Bienenkönigin" "queen bee" and the counterparts for other types of eusocial insects.
Of course, though, that word is derived from Königin, so it makes sense it would have -in.
This word is also a belated (and translingual) correction of Bienenkönig and the like.

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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:46 pm
by Raphael
Richard W wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:43 pm
Travis B. wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 10:49 am
Raphael wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 8:51 am Not sure if it counts, but there's also "Bienenkönigin" "queen bee" and the counterparts for other types of eusocial insects.
Of course, though, that word is derived from Königin, so it makes sense it would have -in.
This word is also a belated (and translingual) correction of Bienenkönig and the like.
Huh? I didn't know that. Fascinating! Did people in earlier times in history think bee eggs were laid by males?

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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 2:00 pm
by Lērisama
Raphael wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:46 pm
Richard W wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:43 pm
Travis B. wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 10:49 am

Of course, though, that word is derived from Königin, so it makes sense it would have -in.
This word is also a belated (and translingual) correction of Bienenkönig and the like.
Huh? I didn't know that. Fascinating! Did people in earlier times in history think bee eggs were laid by males?
I've been told that the Romans did, but I'm struggling to find a good source for this.

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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 2:02 pm
by Raphael
Lērisama wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 2:00 pm
Raphael wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:46 pm
Huh? I didn't know that. Fascinating! Did people in earlier times in history think bee eggs were laid by males?
I've been told that the Romans did, but I'm struggling to find a good source for this.
Thank you.

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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:23 pm
by Lērisama
Raphael wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 2:02 pm
Lērisama wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 2:00 pm
Raphael wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:46 pm
Huh? I didn't know that. Fascinating! Did people in earlier times in history think bee eggs were laid by males?
I've been told that the Romans did, but I'm struggling to find a good source for this.
Thank you.
Virgil, in Georgics book IV lines 67–68¹ and elsewhere in that book, seems to occasionally refer to queens as reges, i.e. kings, but he is analogising bees to human states there, so I'd be a little suspicious.

¹ the exact words here are “nam saepe duobus regibus incessit magno discordia motu,” roughly, for often discord arises between two kings with great force²
² Please don't take that translation as gospel – my Latin isn't the best and all the online translations accessible with a quick google are either very old ones torturing it into English verse or have other reasons to suspect their accuracy, so I haven't used them

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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:48 pm
by Raphael
Lērisama wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:23 pm

Virgil, in Georgics book IV lines 67–68¹ and elsewhere in that book, seems to occasionally refer to queens as reges, i.e. kings, but he is analogising bees to human states there, so I'd be a little suspicious.

¹ the exact words here are “nam saepe duobus regibus incessit magno discordia motu,” roughly, for often discord arises between two kings with great force²
² Please don't take that translation as gospel – my Latin isn't the best and all the online translations accessible with a quick google are either very old ones torturing it into English verse or have other reasons to suspect their accuracy, so I haven't used them
Thank you!

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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 5:16 pm
by Richard W
Lērisama wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 2:00 pm
Raphael wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:46 pm Huh? I didn't know that. Fascinating! Did people in earlier times in history think bee eggs were laid by males?
I've been told that the Romans did, but I'm struggling to find a good source for this.
Inhabited skeps were difficult to examine. It seems that 'queen bee' was introduced to English in 1607, as a replacement for 'king bee'.

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 5:15 am
by Ares Land
Lērisama wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 2:00 pm
Raphael wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:46 pm
Richard W wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:43 pm
This word is also a belated (and translingual) correction of Bienenkönig and the like.
Huh? I didn't know that. Fascinating! Did people in earlier times in history think bee eggs were laid by males?
Apparently they did! Opinions turned around after microscopes were invented, and glass panels to observe beehives. People really didn't understand how bees reproduced before. At least scholars didn't -- maybe beekeepers had a better idea?

"Queens" is misleading too -- the queens of social insects don't actually rule anything. To the extent that there are leaders, they're experienced workers.

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 6:03 am
by Raphael
Ares Land wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 5:15 am

"Queens" is misleading too -- the queens of social insects don't actually rule anything. To the extent that there are leaders, they're experienced workers.
Yeah, that's what I find so annoying about science fiction or fantasy species which are supposedly based on eusocial insects. They are usually portrayed as "ruled" by their queens.

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 9:58 am
by malloc
More horrible news. I got pulled over for speeding again. Honestly not sure what to do since this will drive my insurance too high for me to pay and even cost me my license. It really isn't fair how others get away with outrageous crimes while my life is ruined by speeding.

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:12 am
by Travis B.
malloc wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 9:58 am More horrible news. I got pulled over for speeding again. Honestly not sure what to do since this will drive my insurance too high for me to pay and even cost me my license. It really isn't fair how others get away with outrageous crimes while my life is ruined by speeding.
Hint: In many jurisdictions you can get your points reduced if you simply bother to come into your court hearing rather than paying up front. Also, you won't automatically lose your license from speeding unless you accrue N number of points in M months. (And even then, many jurisdictions have ways, such as 'drivers' safety' courses you can take, to get points taken off your license.)

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:45 am
by malloc
There is also the problem of my insurance costs. I am already paying quite a lot and I can't afford my costs there doubling. Thus far I have never found a way to decrease car insurance costs.

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:58 am
by Travis B.
malloc wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:45 am There is also the problem of my insurance costs. I am already paying quite a lot and I can't afford my costs there doubling. Thus far I have never found a way to decrease car insurance costs.
Another hint: You can often drastically reduce your car insurance costs by regularly changing insurance carriers. About a year back I did so, and I reduced my outlay per six-month intervals by several hundred dollars.

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 11:01 am
by Raphael
Today I learned that there's a municipality called Harrislee in Germany. I am a bit surprised about that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrislee

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 11:03 am
by malloc
Travis B. wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:58 am
malloc wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:45 am There is also the problem of my insurance costs. I am already paying quite a lot and I can't afford my costs there doubling. Thus far I have never found a way to decrease car insurance costs.
Another hint: You can often drastically reduce your car insurance costs by regularly changing insurance carriers. About a year back I did so, and I reduced my outlay per six-month intervals by several hundred dollars.
Won't the new insurance provider just look at everything the drove my cost at the old one and give me the same rate?

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 11:05 am
by Travis B.
malloc wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 11:03 am
Travis B. wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:58 am
malloc wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:45 am There is also the problem of my insurance costs. I am already paying quite a lot and I can't afford my costs there doubling. Thus far I have never found a way to decrease car insurance costs.
Another hint: You can often drastically reduce your car insurance costs by regularly changing insurance carriers. About a year back I did so, and I reduced my outlay per six-month intervals by several hundred dollars.
Won't the new insurance provider just look at everything the drove my cost at the old one and give me the same rate?
No. A secret is that car insurance providers over time will drive up your insurance costs over time no matter what you do, even if you have a perfect driving record, and even if you have tickets on your record you can significantly reduce your costs by regularly changing car insurance providers.

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 11:12 am
by Raphael
I shouldn't be surprised by what kind of shit businesses in the USA can get away with any more, but I still am.

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 11:25 am
by malloc
Travis B. wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 11:05 amNo. A secret is that car insurance providers over time will drive up your insurance costs over time no matter what you do, even if you have a perfect driving record, and even if you have tickets on your record you can significantly reduce your costs by regularly changing car insurance providers.
I would have expected that the tickets would outweigh any other considerations for the insurance company. Do you have any recommendations for who might give me a better deal?

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 11:27 am
by Travis B.
malloc wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 11:25 am
Travis B. wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 11:05 amNo. A secret is that car insurance providers over time will drive up your insurance costs over time no matter what you do, even if you have a perfect driving record, and even if you have tickets on your record you can significantly reduce your costs by regularly changing car insurance providers.
I would have expected that the tickets would outweigh any other considerations for the insurance company. Do you have any recommendations for who might give me a better deal?
Look around at multiple insurance providers and ask for quotes ─ you can do this online. There are online tools that will send out requests for quotes from multiple insurance providers (note, however, that these are often linked to specific parent insurance providers).

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2025 11:47 am
by malloc
I see then. It will take several weeks for my case to work through the system so I can't do much with insurance until then. Obviously my new rate will depend on how severe they consider my speeding ticket.