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Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2024 9:10 am
by Space60
Or is this just a myth?

I have read in some places that "sweetheart" was originally "sweetard".

The etymologies I have seen in dictionaries suggest it is a myth. They all list the etymology of "sweetheart" as "sweet" + "heart" not a reanalysis of an older "sweetard".

Re: Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2024 1:04 pm
by Zju
Isn't sweetard a portmanteau word of sweetheart and retard? If not, where'd sweetard come from?

Re: Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2024 1:09 pm
by Space60
I have seen on Google Books there is some use of "sweetard" in old books from the 1800s. Maybe "sweetard" existed at one time and then merged with the already existing "sweetheart".

Re: Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2024 1:16 pm
by Zju
But what would be the origin of 1800s sweetard?

Re: Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2024 2:14 pm
by Nortaneous
maybe the same -ard as in wizard and drunkard? although that's generally derogatory

Re: Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2024 5:59 pm
by Glass Half Baked
As Nortaneous said, there would be nothing etymologically surprising about "sweetard." It's hypothetically a normal reflex of sweet+ard. See these examples. But while the etymology is perfectly plausible, the earliest attested form is sweetheart, going back to the 14th century, so sweetard is probably a folk etymology.

Re: Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 10:05 am
by Space60
It is possible that "sweetard" emerged later and then merged with the already existing "sweetheart".

Re: Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2024 2:14 pm
by Jonlang
Could it just be a dialectal pronunciation spelling of sweetheart?

Re: Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2024 2:15 pm
by Raphael
Jonlang wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 2:14 pm Could it just be a dialectal pronunciation spelling of sweetheart?
Perhaps it could, but, for once, Nort's explanation makes the most sense to me.

Re: Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2024 1:04 pm
by Linguoboy
If I saw "sweetard" in the wild, I'd simply assume it was an eggcorn.

Re: Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2024 1:11 pm
by Travis B.
I have never, ever seen or heard "sweetard" in the wild. If I saw or heard it I would presume it being a word that someone thought "should" somehow exist rather than an actual word.

Re: Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2024 3:49 pm
by Space60
I saw on Google Books a book from the 1800s where "sweetard" is used with no mention of "sweetheart". It was using middle English grammar like "dost" in stuff, so it is possible someone was attempting to use Middle English, but were overdoing it with "sweetard".

Most hits in Google Books are claims that the word "sweetheart" comes from "sweetard". Not much evidence that "sweetard" ever actually existed.

Re: Was "sweetheart" originally "sweetard"?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2024 6:13 pm
by Man in Space
“Sweetard” to me sounds like JFK saying “sweetheart”.