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OK, I’ve tried to put the Religion Construction Kit to work. This is partly my second conreligion (after Preservianism), and partly what I would probably come up with if I would have the right psychological skills and social contacts to become a successful cult founder.

The Movement for Awareness of the Five Fundamental Truths and Four Fundamental Preferences, better known as the Five Plus Four Movement:

As the name indicates, it is a religious or philosophical movement focused on a number of basic ideas which it sees as Five Fundamental Truths and Four Fundamental Preferences, and their numerous implications.

The Basics:

The First Fundamental Truth is that the Universe, and everything in it, is very complicated. Therefore, people who refuse to acknowledge subtlety and nuances are wrong, mistaken, and will never understand much.

The Second Fundamental Truth is that everyone is sometimes wrong. Everyone sometimes makes mistakes or fails morally. Therefore, everyone should be subject to questioning and criticism, and people should always be careful (at least) about giving anyone too much power.

The Third Fundamental Truth is that wanting something to be true does not make it true. Therefore, followers of the Movement tend to be very skeptical of anything that smacks of wishful thinking.

The Fourth Fundamental Truth is that what works well for one person won’t necessarily work well for anyone else. Therefore, the Movement is committed to enabling and helping people to do things their way (within reason), rather than forcing one way of doing everything on everyone.

The Fifth Fundamental Truth is that without the hard work and efforts of those who provide the things people need to live, everyone would die soon. Therefore, the Movement tries to encourage what it sees as “usefulness” among its followers, where possible, and discourages its followers from taking the things they have for granted.

The First Fundamental Preference is the preference of kindness over cruelty. This is the main foundation for the Movement’s moral or ethical code, its charitable works, and the political activism of many of its followers.

The Second Fundamental Preference is the preference of equal rights over preferential treatment. This is another foundation for the Movement’s moral or ethical code, its charitable works, and the political activism of many of its followers.

The Third Fundamental Preference is the preference of knowledge over ignorance.

The Fourth Fundamental Preference is the preference of thoughtfulness over thoughtlessness. Therefore, followers are encouraged to think carefully about what they do, to be aware of what they do, to contemplate things, and to engage in soul-searching.

The Movement’s attitude towards the Five Fundamental Truths is a bit different from that towards the Four Fundamental Preferences. The former are simply asserted as true, as a matter of fact, so that people who disagree with them are said to be just plain wrong. In the case of the latter, the Movement’s position is more like that, if someone disagrees with them, the Movement has nothing to say to that person – but the Movement’s followers have chosen those Preferences.

The Implications and Interpretations of the Basics

Deriving all possible implications of the Five Fundamental Truths and Four Fundamental Preferences would take many books, and in fact, followers who are so inclined are encouraged to write such books. However, some starting points are:

The Second Fundamental Truth is used to justify being skeptical of and critical towards powerful people, but the Movement generally doesn’t limit the idea of “powerful people” to “officially” powerful people, such as state officials; it sees everyone who is able to make people do things as powerful. This means that followers who care about politics tend to be more or less left-leaning, since they see rich business people as a part of the powerful.

The Third Fundamental Truth is used to reject arguments along the line of “it would be undesirable for this idea to be true, therefore this idea has to be false.”

The Fourth Fundamental Truth is the foundation of the cultural liberalism of most followers, since it is seen as bad to force a way of life on people who might be deeply miserable when following that way of life, no matter how attractive that way of life might be to others.

When interpreting the First Fundamental Preference, the Movement stresses that it is cruel rather than kind to leave people exposed to cruelty, so a desire to be kind should not be an excuse for refusing to fight against cruel people. However, the Movement also stresses that, if you keep the First Fundamental Truth in mind, it can very difficult to predict the results of your actions, so it is often not at all clear which course of action is mandated by the First Fundamental Preference.

The Movement sometimes makes the point that the Second Fundamental Preference does not necessarily mean that all people should be seen as equal; more that promoting egalitarianism is seen as the most effective way to limit the ability of the cruel to abuse the kind. The more hierarchical things are structured, the more damage cruel people who are high in the hierarchy can cause.

When interpreting the Third Fundamental Preference, the Movement stresses that “knowledge” does not equal “formal education” or “academic knowledge”. It is asserted that a person who never had much formal schooling, but who likes to learn things, who wants to learn things, who makes a serious commitment to learn things, and who puts serious effort into learning things, is more truly educated than a person with an elite university degree who only got that degree out of careerism, opportunism, or in order to conform to social or family pressure. And, knowledge of practical life skills is as valued as knowledge of classroom subjects.

The Four Types of Basic Questions, and How to Approach Them

According to the Movement, the most fundamental questions about life can be divided into four basic types:

1) Questions of fact
2) Questions of right and wrong
3) Questions of purpose and meaning
4) Questions of taste

The Movement asserts that these questions should be approached in the following ways:

1) Questions of fact should be approached through scientific and scholarly research or investigation, by observing things, drawing rational conclusions from one’s observations, and trying to fit what one has learned in that way together with what other researchers, including those in earlier generations, have learned in similar ways.

2) Questions of right and wrong should be approached by applying the Four Fundamental Preferences while keeping the Five Fundamental Truths in mind.

3) Questions of purpose and meaning should be approached by keeping the Fourth Fundamental Truth in mind. It is recommended, but not mandatory, that people should try to find purpose and meaning in trying to advance awareness of the Five Fundamental Truths and support for the Four Fundamental Preferences. It is, however, forbidden to try to find purpose and meaning by doing things that violate the Four Fundamental Preferences.

4) The Movement has no official position on questions of taste, except to remind people to keep the Fourth Fundamental Truth in mind when approaching them.

Spirituality

The Movement has no official position on whether there is a soul, or if there is, what traits it has, or on whether there is an afterlife, or if there is, what traits it has.

It is recommended, but not mandatory, that followers of the Movement who agree among each other on such questions form subgroups within the Movement where they can contemplate, and act on, their ideas on these things together. However, if such subgroups should be formed, it is mandatory that members of different such subgroups within the Movement must treat each other with respect and acceptance.

Symbols

The main symbol of the Movement is a square inside a pentagon, somewhat like this, but preferably drawn better than I managed to:
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Other symbols that followers might create are three-dimensional objects which consist of two parallel planes connected to each other, one of which is a square and the other a pentagon.

Main Practices

The most remarked-on practice of the Movement is derived from the Fourth Fundamental Preference. It is mandatory that, when followers are not in a hurry or in a dangerous situation, they should, whenever they are about to do something, big or small, first briefly tell themselves what they’re planning to do, why they want to do it, and what they’re hoping to accomplish with it. This is to remind followers to be thoughtful about and conscious of what they’re doing.

Whenever followers of the Movement form organized groups, it is mandatory that the activities of the groups include all of the following:

1) Charitable works
2) Educational works
3) Help for followers with problems, be they psychological or practical

In recognition of the Fifth Fundamental Truth, it is recommended, but not mandatory, that followers of the Movement whose jobs or careers are not in fields connected to the production and distribution of things people need to live should try to volunteer in such fields, or should try to temporarily work in such fields between other jobs, or between the end of their formal education and the start of their regular career.

It is mandatory that followers of the Movement should spend some time each week in contemplation, either alone or in groups, perhaps in a secluded place.

It is recommended, but not mandatory, that followers of the Movement who have interests or opinions in common in addition to their shared support for the ideas and principles of the Movement form subgroups within the Movement where they can pursue their shared interests together. However, if such subgroups should be formed, it is mandatory that members of different such subgroups within the Movement must treat each other with respect and acceptance.

Out of consideration for both the image of the Movement among outsiders and the mental well-being of its followers, it is forbidden to engage in door-to-door proselytizing for the Movement or parts of it.

Dietary Code

It is mandatory that each follower of the Movement must, either when joining the Movement, or, if they’re raised in it, at some point while they grow up, make a conscious, careful, thoughtful, and serious choice about whether to become a vegan. If they choose to do so, then veganism is mandatory for them until they make an equally conscious, careful, thoughtful, and serious choice to stop being a vegan.

As a corollary, if the Movement or a part of it organizes events where food is served, it is mandatory to have a vegan option.

It is strongly recommended, but not mandatory, to follow all dietary restrictions prescribed by competent and qualified medical professionals in reaction to a medical condition.

However, if competent and qualified medical professionals prescribe dietary restrictions to children in reaction to a medical condition, it is mandatory for their parents or legal guardians to both enable and encourage them to follow those dietary restrictions.

It is recommended, but not mandatory, that followers who cook try to come up with recipes that are both healthy and tasty.

If a follower observes a holiday (see the section on holidays) which marks a sad rather than a happy occasion, the follower may choose to fast on that day.

Dress Code

It is usually mandatory, but see exceptions below, that followers must wear at least one article of clothing, no matter which, that clearly marks them as followers of the Movement.

However, in contexts where clothes are generally disapproved of, like nudist beaches, that article of clothing should be replaced with a piece of jewelry or other ornamentation.

And, in times and places where it might be seriously dangerous to be recognized as a follower of the Movement, that mandate is waived.

It is mandatory to follow all dress codes prescribed by competent and qualified medical professionals in reaction to a medical condition or a medical emergency.

In times and places where there are serious dangers which might be mitigated by wearing specific types of clothing, it is mandatory, if practically possible, to wear those types of clothing. So, for instance, in a potentially dangerous work environment where hardhats are advisable, it is mandatory for followers of the Movement to wear hardhats.

It is forbidden to wear “dishonest” or deceptive clothes, like, for instance, clothes that would normally identify you as a medical professional if you are not a medical professional. But this ban is waived in contexts like fancy dress events or when acting as an actor.

Holidays

It is recommended, but not mandatory, that followers observe some or all of the following:

1) The holidays their ancestors celebrated
2) The holidays they themselves celebrated before they joined the Movement
3) The main holidays of the places where they live, or of the communities to which they belong

If, during the historical development of the Movement, particularly memorable good or bad things should happen to the Movement or to some or all of its followers, it is recommended that afterwards, the anniversaries of those events are observed as holidays or days of mourning and remembrance, as the case may be.

Family Life

It is mandatory that followers who found families or form family structures always keep the Fourth Fundamental Truth in mind.

Society

It is forbidden to organize society, or work towards organizing society, in such a way that people who are not followers of the Movement would be oppressed or discriminated against.

However, it is seen as desirable that people in positions of power or authority, even if they are not followers of the Movement, at least don’t fundamentally disagree with any of the Five Fundamental Truths or Four Fundamental Preferences.

And, it is seen as desirable that the general rules, norms, and laws of society should not be in direct conflict with any of the Five Fundamental Truths or Four Fundamental Preferences.

Failing that, it is seen as desirable that followers of the Movement and those who wish to join it can at least live their lives in accordance with the Five Fundamental Truths, Four Fundamental Preferences, and other rules of the Movement.

Art

It is recommended, but not mandatory, that art which is meant to spread a good message should be accessible, so that it can spread the message effectively.

It is recommended, but not mandatory, that art which might reflect on the Movement as a whole should be aesthetically pleasing.

Architecture

It is recommended, but not mandatory, that buildings should be designed in the ways that are advisable in their geographic environment, so that, for instance, buildings in hot and sunny places are whitewashed or painted in light colors.

It is recommended, but not mandatory, that buildings should be designed in ways that are both aesthetically pleasing and frugal, so that there are not, for instance, expensive ornaments that cost large amounts of money which might have been better spent on the needy. For official buildings of the Movement, this standard is mandatory.

It is recommended, and, if financially and practically possible, mandatory, that each local organized group of the Movement, if it maintains official buildings, should maintain at least two official buildings: one in a central place in the community where the group is active, so that it can serve the needs of that community, and one in a sheltered, secluded, perhaps isolated place, so that people can go there for calm contemplation.

Organizational Structure

The Movement is mostly organized along democratic lines. There is, however, concern that a completely democratic organization might gradually drift away from its original intentions, or might even be subject to hostile takeovers by people joining it in bad faith.

To prevent this, the highest institution of the Movement is the generally non-democratic Main Council of Continuity. It is established when the Movement is founded, and fills vacancies through votes among the remaining members. It is, however, strongly recommended that members, when voting to fill vacancies, give preference to people who came up through the democratic structures of the Movement.

Below the level of the Main Council of Continuity, the internal structures of the Movement are generally democratic. However, local groups might ask regional, nationwide, continental, or global headquarters of the Movement to provide them with guidance or send them organisers, especially if they are newly founded or struggling.


That is all.
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Good luck on your new religious movement! Hopefully you'll do better than L. Ron Hubbard -- if people believe in yours it'll probably do better for the world than his has.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Interesting. Is there a tension between the second truth and the third preference? So if you can question anything, how do we know what to ignore and what not? Do we trust our own senses? Do we trust what other people have said before? Do we trust conclusions? Do we trust analogies? I see a potential for several different schools here.
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Raphael wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:53 am This is partly my second conreligion (after Preservianism), and partly what I would probably come up with if I would have the right psychological skills and social contacts to become a successful cult founder.
To be blunt, I think this conreligion is entirely too reasonable and moral to make a really successful cult…
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bradrn wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 7:43 pm
Raphael wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:53 am This is partly my second conreligion (after Preservianism), and partly what I would probably come up with if I would have the right psychological skills and social contacts to become a successful cult founder.
To be blunt, I think this conreligion is entirely too reasonable and moral to make a really successful cult…
My thoughts exactly. The omniscience of a cult founder and the first precept conflict horribly
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Creyeditor wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 5:16 pm Interesting. Is there a tension between the second truth and the third preference? So if you can question anything, how do we know what to ignore and what not? Do we trust our own senses? Do we trust what other people have said before? Do we trust conclusions? Do we trust analogies? I see a potential for several different schools here.
Interesting question! The general idea would be that knowledge gets improved through the process of continually questioning it, but there might be other interpretations, too.
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This entirely misses the essential part of a cult, which is to direct the maximum of funds towards the founder !

The dress code part is interesting... What happens when wearing 'religious' clothing is not dangerous, but illegal?
The restrictions on job is interesting. Does anyone compile a list of acceptable jobs?
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Positives: This religion is obviously quite personal, and that's a good thing. A conreligion doesn't have to reflect the morality and beliefs of its creator, but it helps make it real and distinctive.

It's very suitable to be a modern or future religion. No real conflict with science; no weird doctrines; thought given to avoid oppressive policies.

Negatives: It's kind of bloodless. What do people do for fun? What stirs the emotions? What would make children continue the religion when they grow up?
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Ares Land wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:23 am
The dress code part is interesting... What happens when wearing 'religious' clothing is not dangerous, but illegal?
I guess many people would agree that the threat of legal trouble is a form of danger, but there might be different views.
The restrictions on job is interesting. Does anyone compile a list of acceptable jobs?
Well, you can have whatever job you want, it's just that some jobs are considered more "essential" for the world, and people should ideally have some experience with work in those jobs, even if their main career is something else.
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Raphael wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:31 am
Ares Land wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:23 am
The dress code part is interesting... What happens when wearing 'religious' clothing is not dangerous, but illegal?
I guess many people would agree that the threat of legal trouble is a form of danger, but there might be different views.
The restrictions on job is interesting. Does anyone compile a list of acceptable jobs?
Well, you can have whatever job you want, it's just that some jobs are considered more "essential" for the world, and people should ideally have some experience with work in those jobs, even if their main career is something else.
Here, it's common to remove all religious clothing (in all cases, the veil :)) at work, to put it back on when you get home. Would it be considered an acceptable compromise? Or are there hardliners that'd object to it?
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(I'm still thinking about zompist's objection, wondering how to answer his questions.)
Ares Land wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:45 am
Here, it's common to remove all religious clothing (in all cases, the veil :)) at work, to put it back on when you get home. Would it be considered an acceptable compromise? Or are there hardliners that'd object to it?
I can imagine hardliners objecting to it. Others might accept it as a compromise.
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Parts of this also remind me of ancient Indian Charvaka.
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Creyeditor wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:11 pm Parts of this also remind me of ancient Indian Charvaka.
I didn't know about that one. Thank you!
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Responding a bit late, but…

I find that I agree with the sentiments of all of the Five Fundamental Truths and the Four Fundamental Preferences, if not with all of their potential implications and practices. I certainly think that a world that placed more overall emphasis on these might be a better place.

The dress code was interesting, and a bit unexpected; I wondered at first what an article of clothing might be that marked one as a member of the Movement, and decided that a patch, badge, pendant, or piece of clothing (such as a shirt or scarf) with the Movement’s symbol on it might fit the bill. Is that the kind of thing you had in mind?
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Glenn wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:44 pm Responding a bit late, but…

I find that I agree with the sentiments of all of the Five Fundamental Truths and the Four Fundamental Preferences, if not with all of their potential implications and practices. I certainly think that a world that placed more overall emphasis on these might be a better place.
Thank you!
The dress code was interesting, and a bit unexpected;
I was trying to follow zompist's recommendation that a religion that wants to get somewhere can't just be about vague calls for niceness, and should make concrete, potentially inconvenient demands.
I wondered at first what an article of clothing might be that marked one as a member of the Movement, and decided that a patch, badge, pendant, or piece of clothing (such as a shirt or scarf) with the Movement’s symbol on it might fit the bill. Is that the kind of thing you had in mind?
Yes, that would be one possibility.
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An armband with the movement's symbol on it would probably be too evocative of certain things...
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Travis B. wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:45 am An armband with the movement's symbol on it would probably be too evocative of certain things...
Yes, of course.
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Maybe headgear, e.g. members of the movement have to wear a certain hat?
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Travis B. wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:27 am Maybe headgear, e.g. members of the movement have to wear a certain hat?
I was thinking of more choice between different types of distinctive clothing, dependent on context, surroundings, and personal taste.
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After thinking about it for a bit, I think I can identify what makes this religion feel so colourless: it’s basically pure belief in a set of principles (and rather vague principles at that), with not much more than that. Beyond a little piece of clothing, and a habit of talking to onesself, I see nothing which could truly bind together its believers into a group. In particular, there seem to be no communal activities short of holidays, of which there are none required.

Now, to be sure, you can have a religion with only belief. (Protestanism is a living example of it, though I feel that Unitarian Universalism may be closest to what is described here.) But I think I’m justified in saying that any religious group with a really strong sense of cohesiveness will have some kind of distinctive activity, especially a communal one. Even something as simple as going to church once a week helps. In Judaism there’s a requirement that certain prayers require a minyan of at least 10 men; that’s another thing which helps to build community.

(I have a suspicion that those Protestant churches which adopt distinctive behaviours like ‘speaking in tongues’ are precisely those where pure belief is emphasised as the core of religion. I can’t prove it though.)

Focussing on a con-religion similar to yours, I think zompist’s Irreanism gets this right. It’s basically philosophical, but:
zompist wrote: [… Irreanists] do believe that it is easier to follow Good with the help of others, and there do exist communities of Irreanists, which build temples (chendmoryr ‘quiet places’). There they meet in small groups, dine together, meditate, confess their sins, study the writings of the sages, and reflect on the cosmic struggle, away from the distractions of everyday life. There is nothing showy or vulgar. It is a religious life exactly suited to the flaids, who love nothing better than a fine meal in pleasant surroundings, followed by earnest conversation till dawn.

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There are Irreanist monasteries (bidmoryr); but perhaps because the flaids experienced neither the ordered prosperity of the Caďinorian Empire nor its subsequent fall, the monasteries were never focussed on community-building or on the preservation of ancient knowledge. Irreanism, with its focus on individual struggle, encourages hermitism; yet flaids are by their nature sociable, and prefer to do their hermiting like they do everything else, in groups. Some monasteries are particularly known for their scholarship; others focus on visions and ecstatic experience; yet others on meditation or art.

There are Irreanist clerics (buxeler ‘wise ones’), who serve as counselors, teachers, and confessors, while pursuing their own meditations and studies. The difference between a temple and a monastery is one of degree rather than kind; both are open to the public, but the monastery is more inward-directed; dealing with pilgrims is only a minor portion of the monks' duties.
So, there are people who are able to dedicate their life to the religion, and communities of people dedicated to following and discussing it. Most things are done in a way which keeps a connection with the community. It’s not all just about abstract principles.
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