Language quizzes
Language quizzes
I'm making these language quizzes, and I'm using the YouTube channel I Love Languages as a source, because it has a lot of language samples. Here are two examples of my quizzes:
Guess the Language #1
Guess the Language #2
However, since it's YouTube I can't just copy texts I see on screen. That's a problem when there's a script I'm not familiar with. So I was wondering if someone who knows Arabic could re-type the text in https://youtu.be/XTeiW-Ps6AE, at 2:20 for me? The one that's translated as "And that cry resulted in [...] rid her of Romans".
Also, is there anyone with experience in Sumerian cuneiform, Egyptian hieroglyphics or other ancient scripts, or with any Brahmic scripts?
Guess the Language #1
Guess the Language #2
However, since it's YouTube I can't just copy texts I see on screen. That's a problem when there's a script I'm not familiar with. So I was wondering if someone who knows Arabic could re-type the text in https://youtu.be/XTeiW-Ps6AE, at 2:20 for me? The one that's translated as "And that cry resulted in [...] rid her of Romans".
Also, is there anyone with experience in Sumerian cuneiform, Egyptian hieroglyphics or other ancient scripts, or with any Brahmic scripts?
Last edited by Qwynegold on Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
Well, you might be able to twist my arm, but i only know the script, not the language. Fortunately, the ambiguous transliteration provides a way of proof-reading the typing. I've transcribed my Middle Egyptian, but i haven't used the Manual shaping controls - in that respect I am at the MdeC level. For Sumerian cuneiform, you will have to specify the glyph development stage. Brahmic, I can struggle through the basics - Brahmi, Devanagari, Sinhala, Burmese and Thai. In all these cases, a proof-reading mechanism would be needed. (Well, perhaps not Thai, if the text were in an easy to read font.)Qwynegold wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:10 pm I'm making these language quizzes, and I'm using the YouTube channel I Love Languages as a source, because it has a lot of language samples. Here are two examples of my quizzes:
Guess the Language #1
Guess the Language #2
However, since it's YouTube I can't just copy texts I see on screen. That's a problem when there's a script I'm not familiar with. So I was wondering if someone who knows Arabic could re-type the text in https://youtu.be/XTeiW-Ps6AE, at 2:20 for me? The one that's translated as "And that cry resulted in [...] rid her of Romans".
Also, is there anyone with experience in Sumerian cuneiform, Egyptian hieroglyphics or other ancient scripts, or with any Brahmic scripts?
Incidentally, the Arabic text suddenly become a lot clearer - it's a lot more readable at 2:29. It was hard slog to do the first line of the transliteration/transcription: " ونتج عن تلك اصرخةفتح عظيم و هوفتح عمورية" having to use Emacs character selection by name.
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Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
Qwynegold wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:10 pmHowever, since it's YouTube I can't just copy texts I see on screen. That's a problem when there's a script I'm not familiar with. So I was wondering if someone who knows Arabic could re-type the text in https://youtu.be/XTeiW-Ps6AE, at 2:20 for me? The one that's translated as "And that cry resulted in [...] rid her of Romans".
ونتج عن تلك الصرخة فتح عظيم وهو فتح عمورية الواقعة في آسيا الصُغرى، وقد كان يحكم عمورية الروم البزنطيين، وكانت هذه المرأة تتلقى التعذيب من حاكم عمورية فصرخت باسم المعتصم الخليفة العباسيّ الأمر الذي دفعه للتوجه إلى المنطقة وتخليصها من الروم
Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
Thank you so much!Ser wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:18 pmQwynegold wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:10 pmHowever, since it's YouTube I can't just copy texts I see on screen. That's a problem when there's a script I'm not familiar with. So I was wondering if someone who knows Arabic could re-type the text in https://youtu.be/XTeiW-Ps6AE, at 2:20 for me? The one that's translated as "And that cry resulted in [...] rid her of Romans".
ونتج عن تلك الصرخة فتح عظيم وهو فتح عمورية الواقعة في آسيا الصُغرى، وقد كان يحكم عمورية الروم البزنطيين، وكانت هذه المرأة تتلقى التعذيب من حاكم عمورية فصرخت باسم المعتصم الخليفة العباسيّ الأمر الذي دفعه للتوجه إلى المنطقة وتخليصها من الروم
Oh, and can you please check if this transliteration is okay?
The original transliteration ended with a comma, but I replaced it with a period. I hope that still makes sense.Wa nataj an telka al-sarkhah fathun athim wa howa fath amoureiah al-wakeaa fy asia al-soghra, wa was kan yahkom amoureiah al-roum al-beezantyeen, wa kanat hathehy al-mar'ah tatalaqa al-ta'theeb men hakem amoureiah fasarakhat b'esm Al-Motasem al-Khalifa al-abasy al-amr alathy dafaahou lel-tawajoh ila al-mentakah wa takhleeseha men al-room.
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Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
I'd be grateful for any language that you would transcribe. I don't know any of the languages that I'm putting in my quizzes, so I'll just have to trust that they're correct. I'll look up samples that I'd be interesting in getting transcribed and I'll post them here, maybe later today.Richard W wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:26 pmWell, you might be able to twist my arm, but i only know the script, not the language. Fortunately, the ambiguous transliteration provides a way of proof-reading the typing. I've transcribed my Middle Egyptian, but i haven't used the Manual shaping controls - in that respect I am at the MdeC level. For Sumerian cuneiform, you will have to specify the glyph development stage. Brahmic, I can struggle through the basics - Brahmi, Devanagari, Sinhala, Burmese and Thai. In all these cases, a proof-reading mechanism would be needed. (Well, perhaps not Thai, if the text were in an easy to read font.)Qwynegold wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:10 pm I'm making these language quizzes, and I'm using the YouTube channel I Love Languages as a source, because it has a lot of language samples. Here are two examples of my quizzes:
Guess the Language #1
Guess the Language #2
However, since it's YouTube I can't just copy texts I see on screen. That's a problem when there's a script I'm not familiar with. So I was wondering if someone who knows Arabic could re-type the text in https://youtu.be/XTeiW-Ps6AE, at 2:20 for me? The one that's translated as "And that cry resulted in [...] rid her of Romans".
Also, is there anyone with experience in Sumerian cuneiform, Egyptian hieroglyphics or other ancient scripts, or with any Brahmic scripts?
Incidentally, the Arabic text suddenly become a lot clearer - it's a lot more readable at 2:29. It was hard slog to do the first line of the transliteration/transcription: " ونتج عن تلك اصرخةفتح عظيم و هوفتح عمورية" having to use Emacs character selection by name.
My latest quizzes:
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Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
I'd say it's okay or not okay depending on what your purpose is.
If you mean to transcribe it exactly as it is in the video, your transcription is good.
If you ask whether it's okay as a transcription of the Arabic text and the audio recording, I'd say it's not, because of a mistake in it: it has "wa was kan yahkom" where it should have "wa qad kan yahkom". This is a mistake in the video of course. A more minor mistake is that the recording begins with [wæ ˈnætæʒæ ʕan tilkæ sˤˈsˤɑrxɑ], but [ˈnætæʒæ] appears transcribed as "nataj", not "nataja", and also has "(wa was) kan" when the audio has [ˈkæ:næ].
If you ask whether it's okay as an accurate transcription of the Arabic, I'd also say it's not, because it's written in a very ambiguous and informal romanization. The transcription was likely made by a native speaker who doesn't know of unambiguous schemes. For example, "wa howa fath amoureiah al-wakeaa fy asia al-soghra" would be more accurately "wa-huwa fatḥ ʿamūriyya l-wāqiʿ fī ʾāsiyā ṣ-ṣuġrā".
It's alright.The original transliteration ended with a comma, but I replaced it with a period. I hope that still makes sense.
Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
Here are some other languages. I don't expect to get all these typed out for me, but any one of these would be nice to have. I can do e.g. Hangul myself by just clicking characters on Character Map, but the following languages have scripts with huge character sets, or complicated rules regarding combining characters or ligatures, so I don't dare to attempt them myself. I should probably look for some other source with a large collection of languages, that I can just copy-paste from. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Sumerian
https://youtu.be/igLEwLkU1HY?t=29
0:29-0:46
"Enlil, king of all the lands [...] set up a stele there."
Akkadian
https://youtu.be/7yVK0qIe1t8?t=11
0:11-0:21
"Enkidu, whom I love deeply [...] day and night."
Egyptian
https://youtu.be/MS0ZnLlsi1o?t=24
0:24
"Now I have entered [...] right and truth."
Hittite
https://youtu.be/EQAJgTPwv4M?t=16
0:16-0:21
"Only you have joined [...] directed my deeds."
Hindi
https://youtu.be/8efVP1u-ENI?t=216
3:36
"She looked up [...] bread from the crow."
Persian
https://youtu.be/vdURA4OzkEo?t=150
2:30
"Captivity of [...] existence and the world."
Tigrinya
https://youtu.be/bFAS5kTFsMk?t=199
3:19
"It was fitting to [...] and is found."
Yiddish
https://youtu.be/ir3UUop_0OU?t=58
0:58
"Everyone is entitled to [...] birth or other status."
(please exclude the words "article 2" if it's in the Hebrew script, because it's not in the transcription"
Central Tibetan
https://youtu.be/F48fqNGDGDw?t=75
1:15
"Still other seed [...] a hundred times."
Telugu
https://youtu.be/SLizVfacZ7k?t=44
0:44
"The younger one [...] property between them."
Malayalam
https://youtu.be/-SdpPJZgINI?t=54
0:54
"After he had spent [...] be in need."
Sumerian
https://youtu.be/igLEwLkU1HY?t=29
0:29-0:46
"Enlil, king of all the lands [...] set up a stele there."
Akkadian
https://youtu.be/7yVK0qIe1t8?t=11
0:11-0:21
"Enkidu, whom I love deeply [...] day and night."
https://youtu.be/MS0ZnLlsi1o?t=24
0:24
"Now I have entered [...] right and truth."
Hittite
https://youtu.be/EQAJgTPwv4M?t=16
0:16-0:21
"Only you have joined [...] directed my deeds."
https://youtu.be/8efVP1u-ENI?t=216
3:36
"She looked up [...] bread from the crow."
Persian
https://youtu.be/vdURA4OzkEo?t=150
2:30
"Captivity of [...] existence and the world."
Tigrinya
https://youtu.be/bFAS5kTFsMk?t=199
3:19
"It was fitting to [...] and is found."
https://youtu.be/ir3UUop_0OU?t=58
0:58
"Everyone is entitled to [...] birth or other status."
(please exclude the words "article 2" if it's in the Hebrew script, because it's not in the transcription"
Central Tibetan
https://youtu.be/F48fqNGDGDw?t=75
1:15
"Still other seed [...] a hundred times."
Telugu
https://youtu.be/SLizVfacZ7k?t=44
0:44
"The younger one [...] property between them."
Malayalam
https://youtu.be/-SdpPJZgINI?t=54
0:54
"After he had spent [...] be in need."
Last edited by Qwynegold on Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:57 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
Aha. The audio doesn't really matter, because I'm only copying the text. So the romanization needs to match the Arabic text.Ser wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:09 amI'd say it's okay or not okay depending on what your purpose is.
If you mean to transcribe it exactly as it is in the video, your transcription is good.
If you ask whether it's okay as a transcription of the Arabic text and the audio recording, I'd say it's not, because of a mistake in it: it has "wa was kan yahkom" where it should have "wa qad kan yahkom". This is a mistake in the video of course. A more minor mistake is that the recording begins with [wæ ˈnætæʒæ ʕan tilkæ sˤˈsˤɑrxɑ], but [ˈnætæʒæ] appears transcribed as "nataj", not "nataja", and also has "(wa was) kan" when the audio has [ˈkæ:næ].
Yeah, I saw that it's not one of those transcriptions that use lots diacritics. But I guess there is no way to say which one of all possible transcriptions one should use. I think most of the quiz takers will just identify the language by the Arabic text.Ser wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:09 amIf you ask whether it's okay as an accurate transcription of the Arabic, I'd also say it's not, because it's written in a very ambiguous and informal romanization. The transcription was likely made by a native speaker who doesn't know of unambiguous schemes. For example, "wa howa fath amoureiah al-wakeaa fy asia al-soghra" would be more accurately "wa-huwa fatḥ ʿamūriyya l-wāqiʿ fī ʾāsiyā ṣ-ṣuġrā".
It's alright.The original transliteration ended with a comma, but I replaced it with a period. I hope that still makes sense.
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Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
Here's the result: Guess the Language #3
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Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
अचानक उसकी नचर ऊपर गई । पेड पर एक कौआ बैठा हुआ था ।Qwynegold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:01 pm Hindi
https://youtu.be/8efVP1u-ENI?t=216
3:36
"She looked up [...] bread from the crow."
उसके मुंह में रोटी का एक टुकडा था। कौवे को देखकर लोमरी के मुँह
में पानी भर आया। वह कौवे से रोटी छीनने का उपाय सोचने लगी।
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Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
If that's so, then all you need to do is change "wa was kan yahkom" to "wa qad kan yahkom".
Qwynegold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:01 pmPersian
https://youtu.be/vdURA4OzkEo?t=150
2:30
"Captivity of [...] existence and the world."
اسارت ضحاک، پادشاه اهریمنی و بدی ها در دل دماوند شاید اشاره ای باشه به اينکه بدی و شر در ذات بشر و دنیا وجود داره، جزئی از کل ما و هستی و جهان هست
Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
I'm not quite sure you want with this. In Manuel de Codage (MdeC), the text is:Qwynegold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:01 pm
Egyptian
https://youtu.be/MS0ZnLlsi1o?t=24
0:24
"Now I have entered [...] right and truth."
i:r-zA-q:D54-k-w-A1-r N37A:t*U30-Z9:Y1-Z3
i-w aHa-a:D54 M15-A-tp:Z1 Dd-A40 h:r-ra:Z1 n:t
U35-D40 n:N37A-n:Z4:D40 DA-A-P3-pA U4:a-Sw-t:Z4A
There's a Wikimedia tool that will render this sort of stuff, WikiHiero.
For horizontal text, the hyphens represent side-by-side placement, colons vertical placement with a higher priority, and asterisks side-by-side placement with an even tighter grouping. There are now Unicode characters to command this layout, but very few fonts and rendering systems that will implement this. I've seen them working on Andrew Glass's laptop, but I don't know how much has been released. In hybrid notation
(Unicode for the glyphs, MdeC for the layout), the text is:
𓇋:𓂋𓅭𓈎:𓂻𓎡𓅱𓀀𓂋 𓈚:𓏏*𓍔𓏴:𓏛𓏪
𓇋𓅱 𓊢𓂝:𓂻 𓇇𓄿𓁶:𓏤 𓊽𓀭 𓉔:𓂋𓇳:𓏤 𓈖:𓏏
𓍚𓂡 𓈖:𓈚𓈖:𓏭:𓂡 𓍑𓄿𓊞𓅮 𓌶:𓂝𓆄𓏏:𓏮
Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
Thanks you Richard W and Ser for the Hindi and Persian!
Oh, you mean the text in the video is wrong?Richard W wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:21 pmI'm not quite sure you want with this.Qwynegold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:01 pm
Egyptian
https://youtu.be/MS0ZnLlsi1o?t=24
0:24
"Now I have entered [...] right and truth."
I see. This is a problem. I'll look into if it's possible to put in an image instead of text.Richard W wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:21 pmFor horizontal text, the hyphens represent side-by-side placement, colons vertical placement with a higher priority, and asterisks side-by-side placement with an even tighter grouping. There are now Unicode characters to command this layout, but very few fonts and rendering systems that will implement this. I've seen them working on Andrew Glass's laptop, but I don't know how much has been released. In hybrid notation
(Unicode for the glyphs, MdeC for the layout), the text is:
𓇋:𓂋𓅭𓈎:𓂻𓎡𓅱𓀀𓂋 𓈚:𓏏*𓍔𓏴:𓏛𓏪
𓇋𓅱 𓊢𓂝:𓂻 𓇇𓄿𓁶:𓏤 𓊽𓀭 𓉔:𓂋𓇳:𓏤 𓈖:𓏏
𓍚𓂡 𓈖:𓈚𓈖:𓏭:𓂡 𓍑𓄿𓊞𓅮 𓌶:𓂝𓆄𓏏:𓏮
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Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
If the law is the issue, one can use Wikihiero to generate HTML to use images available under the GNU Free documentation License. You don't need to grab the original license. The WikiHiero glyphs are monochrome - so were Andrew's. You'll need to tweak the image paths in the generated code HTML segment. The grey-scaling results in images that scale very well. Having seen the principle, I wrote an HTML generator of my own that's coded in bash and converts MdeC notation to HTML.
Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
Yiddish:
Source: https://unicode.org/udhr/d/udhr_ydd.html.יעדער איז באַרעכטיקט אױף די אַלע רעכט און פֿרײַהײטן װאָס שטײען געשריבן אין אָט דער דעקלאַראַציע, ניט געקוקט אױף װאָסער־ניט־איז אונטערשײד, זאָל זײַן פֿאָלק, הױטפֿאַרב, לשון, רעליגיע, פּאָליטישע אָדער אַנדערע געדאַנקען, נאַציאָנאַליטעט, קולטור, פֿאַרמאָג, געבורט, אָדער װאָסער־ניט־איז אַנדערן סטאַטוס.
Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
Well, I don’t speak Yiddish, but I can read Hebrew (though I don’t understand it), so here’s my attempt at a transcription:Linguoboy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:31 pm Yiddish:Source: https://unicode.org/udhr/d/udhr_ydd.html.יעדער איז באַרעכטיקט אױף די אַלע רעכט און פֿרײַהײטן װאָס שטײען געשריבן אין אָט דער דעקלאַראַציע, ניט געקוקט אױף װאָסער־ניט־איז אונטערשײד, זאָל זײַן פֿאָלק, הױטפֿאַרב, לשון, רעליגיע, פּאָליטישע אָדער אַנדערע געדאַנקען, נאַציאָנאַליטעט, קולטור, פֿאַרמאָג, געבורט, אָדער װאָסער־ניט־איז אַנדערן סטאַטוס.
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Re: Language quizzes
Here are my latest quizzes that I've been able to create thanks to you guys:
Guess the Language #4
Guess the Language #5
Guess the Language #4
Guess the Language #5
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Re: Language quizzes
I tried these and managed to get 6/10 for both of them. Obviously I’m not too good at this!Qwynegold wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:18 am Here are my latest quizzes that I've been able to create thanks to you guys:
Guess the Language #4
Guess the Language #5
Conlangs: Scratchpad | Texts | antilanguage
Software: See http://bradrn.com/projects.html
Other: Ergativity for Novices
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Software: See http://bradrn.com/projects.html
Other: Ergativity for Novices
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Re: Language quizzes (Arabic help needed)
No it has to do with the quiz creator. When it comes to hieroglyphs and other uncommon scripts, I have the following two choices.Richard W wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:51 pmIf the law is the issue, one can use Wikihiero to generate HTML to use images available under the GNU Free documentation License. You don't need to grab the original license. The WikiHiero glyphs are monochrome - so were Andrew's. You'll need to tweak the image paths in the generated code HTML segment. The grey-scaling results in images that scale very well. Having seen the principle, I wrote an HTML generator of my own that's coded in bash and converts MdeC notation to HTML.
- Make a text quiz. Images may not be inserted into text quizzes, so everything has to be actual text. So this is a problem for those scripts that are not simply linear and horizontal. Even simpler scripts have the problem that they may not show up if the viewer doesn't have the right font installed. For example, I've heard someone complain that they couldn't see Burmese text, and that's not a very obscure script.
- Make a picture quiz. The problem with this is that all "questions" have to be images. A question may not consist of text. And even more importantly, you can't just upload any pictures. You have to choose from the images available at either Wikimedia Commons or Pixabay. And I would require both the foreign text and a romanization of it to be present on the same image. So this is not feasible.
My latest quizzes:
Kuvavisa: Pohjois-Amerikan suurimmat L:llä alkavat kaupungit
Kuvavisa: Pohjois-Amerikan suurimmat L:llä alkavat kaupungit
Re: Language quizzes
Thanks for trying! In each quiz I have five easy and five hard questions. But I can see from the statistics that people get fewer than five correct answers on average. Someone didn't even recognize French!bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:41 amI tried these and managed to get 6/10 for both of them. Obviously I’m not too good at this!Qwynegold wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:18 am Here are my latest quizzes that I've been able to create thanks to you guys:
Guess the Language #4
Guess the Language #5
My latest quizzes:
Kuvavisa: Pohjois-Amerikan suurimmat L:llä alkavat kaupungit
Kuvavisa: Pohjois-Amerikan suurimmat L:llä alkavat kaupungit