Name That Language!

[bradrn]

Anyway, I found another text, although I’m not sure how hard it is:

ʔuyil cnu fdix̣qac̓it. ʔa ba fdiqbaq te uyil bk̓olidit ʔa. Heqada bṭeqa ʔuyi šiškidit, ʔol da fdiqas ʔa. Mṭun ʔa mey, paʔšem muṭin walqat, paʔšem muṭin ke walqat, x̣q̓omfo ʔux̣qat kʼli qat, wiy sen mey blomat, ʔumtimfo beqat. ʔaꞏba x̣qac̓it wiy q̓owc̓ikle, xa qlakmat, bxe c̓amat, xac̓it c̓amat. Cada wil da c̓ix̣otkle. Wiy sen blomat, ke x̣q̓omfo x̔olʔyeqat, ke wil ʔol ʔux̣qat kyewkiqya. ʔow, ʔa ṭalkʔo ṭal paʔšem ke danwidi muṭin ké, wiy ke mey ʔawda da q̓owc̓es. Wil ʔwalqat. Bxe c̓amal, xa q̓owic̓, ʔux̣qat ʔwalqat wil. Heqada bcilin, memla bṭoyilki, heqada wali, ʔaꞏba ʔux̣qa kyewkiqdit, ʔxotit. ʔa da fdiqas.

[KathTheDragon]

Whatever happened to "the winner posts the next text" bradrn? That's twice now you've done this.

[Pabappa]

well it's got an /f/, that is interesting .... it seems obvious that this is a Salishan language, except for that /f/ ... Im still going to guess this is a Salishan language that just has defied the trend. Am I right about at least that?

edit: oooh. "Latin Letter Sinological Dot" ....

[bradrn]

Whatever happened to "the winner posts the next text" bradrn? That's twice now you've done this.

I thought I did win:

Could it be Pumi then?

yes - I would've converted to tone letters but it's not straightforward

Sorry if I was mistaken, though! I’d be happy to delete my challenge if I wasn’t supposed to post it.

well it's got an /f/, that is interesting .... it seems obvious that this is a Salishan language, except for that /f/ ... Im still going to guess this is a Salishan language that just has defied the trend. Am I right about at least that?

edit: oooh. "Latin Letter Sinological Dot" ....

Nope, it’s not Salishan at all. And the dot is just a half-colon for vowel length — Sinological Dot just happens to be the closest Unicode character I know of.

[Nortaneous]

rules are fake

afroasiatic?

[bradrn]

rules are fake

But they’re useful as well. At this point, I’m thinking that it probably would be a good idea to standardise on ‘winner suggests the next text’, if only to avoid a situation where two people try to post a text at the same time.

afroasiatic?

Not even close.

[cedh]

Anyway, I found another text, although I’m not sure how hard it is:

ʔuyil cnu fdix̣qac̓it. ʔa ba fdiqbaq te uyil bk̓olidit ʔa. Heqada bṭeqa ʔuyi šiškidit, ʔol da fdiqas ʔa. Mṭun ʔa mey, paʔšem muṭin walqat, paʔšem muṭin ke walqat, x̣q̓omfo ʔux̣qat kʼli qat, wiy sen mey blomat, ʔumtimfo beqat. ʔaꞏba x̣qac̓it wiy q̓owc̓ikle, xa qlakmat, bxe c̓amat, xac̓it c̓amat. Cada wil da c̓ix̣otkle. Wiy sen blomat, ke x̣q̓omfo x̔olʔyeqat, ke wil ʔol ʔux̣qat kyewkiqya. ʔow, ʔa ṭalkʔo ṭal paʔšem ke danwidi muṭin ké, wiy ke mey ʔawda da q̓owc̓es. Wil ʔwalqat. Bxe c̓amal, xa q̓owic̓, ʔux̣qat ʔwalqat wil. Heqada bcilin, memla bṭoyilki, heqada wali, ʔaꞏba ʔux̣qa kyewkiqdit, ʔxotit. ʔa da fdiqas.

This does look a lot like it belongs in the Pacific NW, even if it's not Salishan. My guess would be Penutian. Molalla has /ɸ/ but no /ʃ/, so maybe it is Kalapuya?

At this point, I’m thinking that it probably would be a good idea to standardise on ‘winner suggests the next text’, if only to avoid a situation where two people try to post a text at the same time.

I agree. Also, maybe people shouldn't post two texts at the same time either?

(Nort's second text is still open, and it's a good one...)

2.
Tíhkaan áhtárú úren yáá enaa ánkáman me kaaín, maahnaáún áátáh kawin, írá aíhaan kaáúh yen kókon wíyon óriyaan umá kurinaín mái yánááh ámáh kaaín, maahnaáúmpín waaháken áátáh káwin, ááhma keín máih yamúh maah úwáh yen máipín tááriyaamíh. Úhpín manaahaa káákan úráran wáhkan, nómpín manaahaa úráran wáhkan, míhan úhkan, manaahaa úráran áyún pahkel awínen kaáín waah iyaamíh. Yunáán unáh yen tááh yen yanon woóren káwé kúh yen ánápín tápo kúh yan, inaaru tían ten wanááan karuhyáretín, yunáán apé íntin, nánoóno. Tíren áátárema yóh yákeín máipíntéh mínoh yunáán unáh yen, mah yamúh wáántá anaati káákan yunáán tááh yen, yáá enáá máh yen, mairah uwíh yen, áná ayóhan meériyaan káwé ayóhan meériyaán úren, manaa wáántá ano owááren temíh.

EDIT: Could it be Papuan?

dang. yes

Is it a Kainantu-Goroka language?

[bradrn]

Anyway, I found another text, although I’m not sure how hard it is:

ʔuyil cnu fdix̣qac̓it. ʔa ba fdiqbaq te uyil bk̓olidit ʔa. Heqada bṭeqa ʔuyi šiškidit, ʔol da fdiqas ʔa. Mṭun ʔa mey, paʔšem muṭin walqat, paʔšem muṭin ke walqat, x̣q̓omfo ʔux̣qat kʼli qat, wiy sen mey blomat, ʔumtimfo beqat. ʔaꞏba x̣qac̓it wiy q̓owc̓ikle, xa qlakmat, bxe c̓amat, xac̓it c̓amat. Cada wil da c̓ix̣otkle. Wiy sen blomat, ke x̣q̓omfo x̔olʔyeqat, ke wil ʔol ʔux̣qat kyewkiqya. ʔow, ʔa ṭalkʔo ṭal paʔšem ke danwidi muṭin ké, wiy ke mey ʔawda da q̓owc̓es. Wil ʔwalqat. Bxe c̓amal, xa q̓owic̓, ʔux̣qat ʔwalqat wil. Heqada bcilin, memla bṭoyilki, heqada wali, ʔaꞏba ʔux̣qa kyewkiqdit, ʔxotit. ʔa da fdiqas.

This does look a lot like it belongs in the Pacific NW, even if it's not Salishan. My guess would be Penutian. Molalla has /ɸ/ but no /ʃ/, so maybe it is Kalapuya?

It’s not Penutian.

At this point, I’m thinking that it probably would be a good idea to standardise on ‘winner suggests the next text’, if only to avoid a situation where two people try to post a text at the same time.

I agree. Also, maybe people shouldn't post two texts at the same time either?

That would probably be a good rule as well. (And I say this as someone who has posted two texts at least once.)

(Nort's second text is still open, and it's a good one...)

No it isn’t:

2 is Agarabi in the old orthography.

yes

[cedh]

(Nort's second text is still open, and it's a good one...)

No it isn’t:

2 is Agarabi in the old orthography.

yes

Ah, I missed this. But at least I did get the family right

Anyway, I found another text, although I’m not sure how hard it is:

ʔuyil cnu fdix̣qac̓it. ʔa ba fdiqbaq te uyil bk̓olidit ʔa. Heqada bṭeqa ʔuyi šiškidit, ʔol da fdiqas ʔa. Mṭun ʔa mey, paʔšem muṭin walqat, paʔšem muṭin ke walqat, x̣q̓omfo ʔux̣qat kʼli qat, wiy sen mey blomat, ʔumtimfo beqat. ʔaꞏba x̣qac̓it wiy q̓owc̓ikle, xa qlakmat, bxe c̓amat, xac̓it c̓amat. Cada wil da c̓ix̣otkle. Wiy sen blomat, ke x̣q̓omfo x̔olʔyeqat, ke wil ʔol ʔux̣qat kyewkiqya. ʔow, ʔa ṭalkʔo ṭal paʔšem ke danwidi muṭin ké, wiy ke mey ʔawda da q̓owc̓es. Wil ʔwalqat. Bxe c̓amal, xa q̓owic̓, ʔux̣qat ʔwalqat wil. Heqada bcilin, memla bṭoyilki, heqada wali, ʔaꞏba ʔux̣qa kyewkiqdit, ʔxotit. ʔa da fdiqas.

This does look a lot like it belongs in the Pacific NW, even if it's not Salishan. My guess would be Penutian. Molalla has /ɸ/ but no /ʃ/, so maybe it is Kalapuya?

It’s not Penutian.

Then I'll try going a bit further south into California and looking at the Hokan grouping instead. Pomoan? Specifically, Southeastern Pomo?

[bradrn]

This does look a lot like it belongs in the Pacific NW, even if it's not Salishan. My guess would be Penutian. Molalla has /ɸ/ but no /ʃ/, so maybe it is Kalapuya?

It’s not Penutian.

Then I'll try going a bit further south into California and looking at the Hokan grouping instead. Pomoan? Specifically, Southeastern Pomo?

Very good! It is indeed Southeastern Pomo. (If I may ask: how did you figure that out? I was expecting it to be identified as Pomoan fairly easily, but I didn’t expect people to figure out the language at all easily.)

I believe this means it’s your turn to submit the next text. (If we’re still using that rule, that is.)

[KathTheDragon]

I believe this means it’s your turn to submit the next text. (If we’re still using that rule, that is.)

In theory that rule was always being used and should still be being used.

[bradrn]

I believe this means it’s your turn to submit the next text. (If we’re still using that rule, that is.)

In theory that rule was always being used and should still be being used.

In theory, yes. In practise, there seemed to be a bit of disagreement:

Also are we not following the "winner picks the next language" rule?

I think there is a flaw in that rule — when it’s implemented, then virtually the only people who can pick the next language would be you, Nortaneous and Karch! You three seem to be insanely good at figuring out languages, so when e.g. I find an interesting text, I don’t have a hope of posting it if we’re sticking to “winner picks the next language”.

Whatever happened to "the winner posts the next text" bradrn?

rules are fake

But they’re useful as well. At this point, I’m thinking that it probably would be a good idea to standardise on ‘winner suggests the next text’, if only to avoid a situation where two people try to post a text at the same time.

(Yes, I contradicted myself there. I think I changed my mind between the two posts.)

I think a big part of the problem is that, as stupid as it sounds, I didn’t actually know about the rule until I saw Frislander’s post (quoted above). Now that I check the first post, I see that fusijui did indeed specify that rule, but I somehow managed to miss it when I first saw this thread. So it was all a bit confusing for a while for me.

I must say I’m not entirely sure how to resolve this. But it seems that most people I quoted like the rule, so for now I will consider it to be in force unless anyone else disagrees.

[cedh]

It is indeed Southeastern Pomo. (If I may ask: how did you figure that out? I was expecting it to be identified as Pomoan fairly easily, but I didn’t expect people to figure out the language at all easily.)

The steps were roughly as follows:
1. Looks like it's from the west coast of North America, having ejectives, uvulars, complex consonant clusters etc.
2. Doesn't look like Athabaskan or Wakashan at all.
3. You said it's neither Salishan nor Penutian.
4. That basically leaves Hokan languages and a few isolates and mini-families. At this point I already guessed Pomoan because of the short-to-medium word length and the peculiar phonotactics with apparent mixed-voicing obstruent clusters, but I went to check the phoneme inventories of a few other languages with roughly similar sounds on Wikipedia, just to be sure I wasn't missing anything obvious. These languages were Wappo, Quileute, Atsugewi, Washo, and Chimariko (none of which have a labial fricative) and Karuk (which doesn't have ejectives).
5. Within Pomoan, I also checked the phoneme inventories, and it turned out all the other varieties have aspirated stops but no labial fricative. The Wikipedia page of SE Pomo includes quite a number of example words, and those were a perfect fit for the aesthetic.

I believe this means it’s your turn to submit the next text. (If we’re still using that rule, that is.)

Here's the next language:

Hinadu mamicənɯma çɲamaʔnɯ pweʔatəma tɯʔnamataʔa muniʈʂiʔɲa. Pweʔatəma tɯʔnamataʔa namaʔa aɲɯʔɯ namaʔa pʈʂuʔʂu. Pweʔatəma rɯtaʔsaʔa uʔsuʔəna taskisamaʔa muniʈʂiʔɲa tɯʔnasutuʔnira pweʔatəma. Ɲupumaʔa maʔsənamaʔa pweʔatəma naʔmanira aɲɯʔɯ pʈʂuʔʂu uçuməcumecu. Kwentaʔmaʔniranɯ hinadu mamicənɯma.
Uçuməcumecu mamira ʈʂaʔmu aʔmaʔa tupasiʔnera histeratəma enaʔnira niʈʂuma. Aʔmaʔa mamira ʈʂaʂmɯʈʂətəma raneʔe çamtecumaça samaʔa paʂki. Mamira tuʔsəna uçira. Aʔmaʔa aʈʂəra nuʂtumaʔa çuçi. Çuçimaʔa mamira ʈʂaʔmu waʈʂa weristɯpaʔa.

[Frislander]

Mixe-Zoquean?

[cedh]

Mixe-Zoquean?

No.

[Nortaneous]

/tʂ/, /ç/, a back unrounded vowel, and no /o/... Munichi?

[Birdlang]

Is that language spoken in the Americas?

[cedh]

Is that language spoken in the Americas?

Yes. South America, upper Amazon, Peru, to be precise.

/tʂ/, /ç/, a back unrounded vowel, and no /o/... Munichi?

Yes, it's Munichi. (The ethnonym actually occurs in the text: Hinadu mamicənɯma çɲamaʔnɯ pweʔatəma tɯʔnamataʔa muniʈʂiʔɲa.)

[fusijui]

Just an aside: I love hearing how different people come to their conclusions. More of that, please! And the coming to wrong conclusions is fun too, not just the after-the-fact wrapups.

[Nortaneous]

this orthography is complicated but I tried

De̠ha̠n ka ge̠, c'lak ge̠ a wa̠ni 'a̠ra̠mn a̠n e̠se̠. Kan 'e̠s co ge̠ nanze'o Tukkuwa. Gam c'pask dkal dkala. Unwa tubala̠m dwiri. Daava̠nl wel anetana, nanze'o Zo̠o̠re. A unoka, male tuhan a̠n rig ba cetaco. To̠, ase ula a uhan ugo̠tte gwe̠l ka̠nka̠n lo̠gine, ugiiti, ubala̠mta dwiri, uhata uhwa. Sai kaa ge kullun ho̠dune, kullun ho̠dune. A icetain a̠n d'hwen, abala̠mka a̠n'a neta v'ru, nanze neta unl Zo̠o̠re. Cetaco rega̠dko kaana, utat bo̠ neta v'ru a̠n k'ta̠a̠sna̠. A utatin neta v'ru a̠n k'ta̠a̠sna, rema̠n wo̠mk k'usipk ta̠m k'gwe̠le̠, natat bo̠ ka ge̠ neta v'ru a̠n k'ta̠a̠sna, ukana. Ato̠uz a'soma, agyiuz n u'bu. Aagyitin n u'bu, cet zanta bo̠ uhava uze, "Zo̠o̠r, i ye̠ ka n ciin kavo, a̠n s'ta̠ngla̠ tahna?" Uze, "za dai i cet a̠n taina̠m de̠e̠de̠ da, rema̠n gwe̠l i'ru da? Ay mhivka̠'u gwe̠le̠." Cbala̠msa ka ge̠, cke̠ka̠l ge̠. He̠, i male tu'ema. Cnapk ay i 'un.