Phrase evolution game
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Phrase evolution game
This is a copy of a CBB. Every person applies a handful of phonetic changes to the phrase below. One may also apply morphological or syntactic changes but they dhould be rarer...
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Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres
['Gallia est 'omnis di'viza in 'partes 'tres]
1. Rhotacism [s] - [r] at the end of words
2. [mn] to [mm]
3. Prosthetic [j] before [e]
Gallia iest ommir divisa in parter trer
['Gallia jest 'ommir di'viza in 'parter 'trer]
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Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres
['Gallia est 'omnis di'viza in 'partes 'tres]
1. Rhotacism [s] - [r] at the end of words
2. [mn] to [mm]
3. Prosthetic [j] before [e]
Gallia iest ommir divisa in parter trer
['Gallia jest 'ommir di'viza in 'parter 'trer]
Last edited by Otto Kretschmer on Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:21 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Phrase modifying game
Sounds fun!Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:05 pm This is a copy of a CBB. Every person applies a handful of phonetic changes to the phrase below. One may also apply morphological or syntactic changes but they dhould be rarer
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Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres
['Gallia est 'omnis di'viza in 'partes 'tres]
1. Rhotacism [s] - [r] at the end of words
2. [mn] to [mm]
3. Prosthetic [j] before [e]
Gallia iest ommir divisa in parter trer
['Gallia jest 'ommir di'viza in 'parter 'trer]
(1) Lengthening of vowels prerhotically
(2) Nasalisation of vowels before coda nasal and deletion of the subsequent vowel with compensatory lengthening.
Gallia iest õmîr divisa in partêr trêr.
['gal.lia jest 'õː.miːr di'vi.za in parteːr treːr]
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Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:06 pm
Gallia iest õmîr divisa in partêr trêr.
['gal.lia jest 'õː.miːr di'vi.za in parteːr treːr]
- Geminated resonants are pre-stopped
- Initial clusters are broken up with a (short) copy of the following vowel
- Final clusters are simplified
['ga.ᵈlia jes 'õː.miːr di'vi.za in parteːr tereːr]
Yaa unák thual na !
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A slight change in word order
Gadlia õmîr ies divisa in terêr partêr
['ga.ᵈlia õː.miːr jes di'vi.za in tereːr parteːr,]
Gadlia õmîr ies divisa in terêr partêr
['ga.ᵈlia õː.miːr jes di'vi.za in tereːr parteːr,]
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Re: Phrase modifying game
Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:17 pm Gadlia õmîr ies divisa in terêr partêr
['ga.ᵈlia õː.miːr jes di'vi.za in tereːr parteːr,]
- Reduction of mid and open vowels in unstressed syllables
- Fortition of nasals after nasal vowels to voiced stops
- v > β
['ga.ᵈliə 'õː.biːr jəs di'βi.zə in tə'reːr 'parteːr]
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(1) Loss of terminal nasals from unstressed syllables.quinterbeck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:47 pmGadliə õbîr iəs divisa in tərêr partêr
- Reduction of mid and open vowels in unstressed syllables
- Fortition of nasals after nasal vowels to voiced stops
- v > β
['ga.ᵈliə 'õː.biːr jəs di'βi.zə in tə'reːr 'parteːr]
(2) Long non-nasal vowels become diphthongs, /eː/ > /ie/, /iː/ > /ei/
(3) Loss of schwa, lengthening a preceding vowel, denasalisation of long vowels
(4) Intervocalic /b β/ merge.
Gadlie ôbeir ies divise i trier partier
['ga.ᵈliː oːβeir iːs di'βiːz i trier par'tier]
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Oh, so we’re doing this game again? Excellent!
Gädl öbr is divz i trir pärtr. (more phonetic)
[ɡæːᵈl ɤːβɐ̆ is diːβz i triɐ̆ pæːɐ̆tɐ̆]
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:58 am Gadlie ôbeir ies divise i trier partier
['ga.ᵈliː oːβeir iːs di'βiːz i trier par'tier]
- /r/ → /ɐ̆/ in coda
- Long vowel and diphthong shortening
- Final vowel loss with transphonologisation of height+rounding onto previous vowel and compensatory lengthening
Gädl öbr is divz i trir pärtr. (more phonetic)
[ɡæːᵈl ɤːβɐ̆ is diːβz i triɐ̆ pæːɐ̆tɐ̆]
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Re: Phrase modifying game
- Coda prestopped resonants become simple stops
- Coda /β/ falls off
[ɡæːd ɤːβɐ̆ is diːz i triɐ̆ pæːɐ̆tɐ̆]
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- ɐ̆ merges to a
- Final devoicing
- Spelling reform towards the 'proper' language of the ancients
[ɡæːt ɤːβa is diːs i tria pæːata]
/j/ <j>
Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
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Re: Phrase modifying game
(0. stress assigned based on left-aligned moraic trochees. The copula (is), as well as function words (in) are parsed as enclitics. Thus [(ɡæːt) (ˈɤː.βa)is (ˈdiː.si) (ˈtri.a) (ˈpæː.a)ta].)
1. all vowels delete word finally in metrically weak or unfooted syllables
2. high vowels delete in metrically weak or unfooted syllables anywhere in a word
3. coda fricatives lenite to [h~ɦ] after a vowel, coda stops lenite to [ʔ] in the same environment
4. Vh Vʔ > V̤̀ V́
note that the copula is now expressed by a floating tone
Gadl õmer's divis in trêr parter.
[ɡǽː ɤ̄ːβà̤ dīːs trī pǣːá]
Ye knowe eek that, in forme of speche is chaunge
With-inne a thousand yeer, and wordes tho
That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge
Us thinketh hem; and yet they spake hem so,
And spedde as wel in love as men now do.
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With-inne a thousand yeer, and wordes tho
That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge
Us thinketh hem; and yet they spake hem so,
And spedde as wel in love as men now do.
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Re: Phrase modifying game
(1) Long vowel chain shift [æ:] > [ɛː], [ɤː] > [oː], bit [iː] is unaffecteddɮ the phoneme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:56 am(0. stress assigned based on left-aligned moraic trochees. The copula (is), as well as function words (in) are parsed as enclitics. Thus [(ɡæːt) (ˈɤː.βa)is (ˈdiː.si) (ˈtri.a) (ˈpæː.a)ta].)
1. all vowels delete word finally in metrically weak or unfooted syllables
2. high vowels delete in metrically weak or unfooted syllables anywhere in a word
3. coda fricatives lenite to [h~ɦ] after a vowel, coda stops lenite to [ʔ] in the same environment
4. Vh Vʔ > V̤̀ V́
note that the copula is now expressed by a floating tone
Gadl õmer's divis in trêr parter.
[ɡǽː ɤ̄ːβà̤ dīːs trī pǣːá]
(2) Shortening of initial elements in a diphthong, [ɛːa] > [ɛa]
(3) Dialectal form of divis intrudes, in which the medial [β] shifted to [w], then [iwi] > [yː]
Gêdl ômer dŷs in trî partêr
[gɛ́ːōːβà̤ dȳːs trī pɛá]
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Re: Phrase modifying game
Deould you like a single letion of final [s]
Gêdl ômer dŷs in trî partêr
[gɛ́ːōːβà̤ dȳː trī pɛá]
Are we at the stage of French already?
Guys, when the next sentence comes up, would you like a single sentence or something longer like Schleicher's fable length?
Gêdl ômer dŷs in trî partêr
[gɛ́ːōːβà̤ dȳː trī pɛá]
Are we at the stage of French already?
Guys, when the next sentence comes up, would you like a single sentence or something longer like Schleicher's fable length?
Re: Phrase modifying game
I think we're way past French already.Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:38 pm Deletion of final [s]
Gêdl ômer dŷs in trî partêr
[gɛ́ːōːβà̤ dȳː trī pɛá]
Are we at the stage of French already?
0. No longer spelling <in> - dropped out a while ago
1. Onset glide prothesis
2. Shift in word order
3. New word for in, ultimately from intra 'inside'
Ômer Gêdl dŷs ita trî partêr.
[wōːβà̤ gɛ́ː dȳː jītā trī pɛʕá]
/j/ <j>
Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
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1. Palatalisation of [g] > [dʒ] and [d] > [dz] before front vowels
2. Deletion of intervocalic voiced fricatives
3. Glottal stop deletion, compensatory lengthening of preceding vowels
3.1. Orthography changed to reflect some changes
Wôer Gêdl zŷs yita tri pêr
[wōːwà̤ dʒɛ́ː dzȳː jītā trī pɛː.á]
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Re: Phrase modifying game
Unless you've moved the copula to V2 position, I think [wōːβà̤] should actually be [wōːβā]. That low tone is the copula, at least per my revision.
Ye knowe eek that, in forme of speche is chaunge
With-inne a thousand yeer, and wordes tho
That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge
Us thinketh hem; and yet they spake hem so,
And spedde as wel in love as men now do.
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With-inne a thousand yeer, and wordes tho
That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge
Us thinketh hem; and yet they spake hem so,
And spedde as wel in love as men now do.
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I repeat, next would you like a single sentence, two or three or something longer like Schleicher's fable length?
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Schleicher is way too long. Something like three sentences, yes.
Yaa unák thual na !
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Then do you think should be the time for a new phrase?
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Right. I honestly lost track of all previous synchronic rules. Feel free to correct it.dɮ the phoneme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:07 pmUnless you've moved the copula to V2 position, I think [wōːβà̤] should actually be [wōːβā]. That low tone is the copula, at least per my revision.
I concur that a single sentence is too short, but Schleicher's fable is too long. Something like 20 words is more like it.
/j/ <j>
Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
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Re: Phrase modifying game
I may provide it already if you have appetite for something Proto Germanic
Ainaz furi mahtigaz kuningaz Wiljahelmaz sat ana hausetijai andi lokode at ruinoz sinas kuningadomas. Kuningaz wisse ne hwat iz skulde doną
['ɑinɑz furi 'mɑxti:gɑz 'kuningɑz 'wiljɑhelmɑz sɑt ɑna 'hɑusetijɑi ɑndi 'lɔ:kɔ:de ɑt ruinɔ:z 'si:nɑs 'kuningɑdɔ:mas. 'kuningɑz :wisse: ne xwɑt i:z 'skulde: 'dɔnɑ̃]
1. Change of phonotactics to penultimate syllabe with strong syllabe timing
['ɑinɑz 'fu'ri mɑ'xti:gɑz ku'ningɑz wiljɑ'helmɑz sɑt ɑnɑ hɑu'setijɑi ɑndi lɔ:'kɔ:de ɑt 'ruinɔ:z 'si:nɑs kuningɑ'dɔ:mas. Ku'ningɑz 'wisse: ne xwɑt i:z 'skulde: dɔnɑ̃]
This is slightly more than 20 words. Pick it up already or do a few more changes to the previous one and then take it.
Ainaz furi mahtigaz kuningaz Wiljahelmaz sat ana hausetijai andi lokode at ruinoz sinas kuningadomas. Kuningaz wisse ne hwat iz skulde doną
['ɑinɑz furi 'mɑxti:gɑz 'kuningɑz 'wiljɑhelmɑz sɑt ɑna 'hɑusetijɑi ɑndi 'lɔ:kɔ:de ɑt ruinɔ:z 'si:nɑs 'kuningɑdɔ:mas. 'kuningɑz :wisse: ne xwɑt i:z 'skulde: 'dɔnɑ̃]
1. Change of phonotactics to penultimate syllabe with strong syllabe timing
['ɑinɑz 'fu'ri mɑ'xti:gɑz ku'ningɑz wiljɑ'helmɑz sɑt ɑnɑ hɑu'setijɑi ɑndi lɔ:'kɔ:de ɑt 'ruinɔ:z 'si:nɑs kuningɑ'dɔ:mas. Ku'ningɑz 'wisse: ne xwɑt i:z 'skulde: dɔnɑ̃]
This is slightly more than 20 words. Pick it up already or do a few more changes to the previous one and then take it.