What have you accomplished today?

[Ahzoh]

Finally updated the pronoun table on Vrkhazhian's main page:

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Affirmative subject pronouns must be used with an affirmative-conjugated verb, and negative subject pronouns must be used with a negative-conjugated verb.

Having a separate set of "negative subject" pronouns that agree with a verb when it's marked with the negative affix seems naturalistic enough, but I don't think it's attested.

Also, I came up with three different "ands": ur= "and (clause-level, additional)", ek= "and (clause-level, sequential)", and si "and (phrase-level)"

ur=túnni ṣā́bnisi kêsi "and (also) I didn't kill him"
ek=túnni ṣā́bnisi kêsi "and (then) I didn't kill him"
lamā́ya si raḫā́ya "arms and legs"

[fusijui]

I really like Vrkhazhian and am always meaning to go look for more of it -- but in the meantime enjoy the snippets as they come up. It's got that philological truthiness to it that I'm a real sucker for.

[Ahzoh]

I really like Vrkhazhian and am always meaning to go look for more of it -- but in the meantime enjoy the snippets as they come up. It's got that philological truthiness to it that I'm a real sucker for.

Philological truthiness?

[doctor shark]

Not today, but recently.

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Incidentally, I'm doing a revamp of quite a bit of this language, which likely means redesigned and updated banknotes soon.

[Lērisama]

Not today, but recently.

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Those look like some of the better coins of actual countries. That's really impressive

Incidentally, I'm doing a revamp of quite a bit of this language, which likely means redesigned and updated banknotes soon.[/more]

Oh no! We might have to see more beautiful things! How could we ever cope!

[Travis B.]

Incidentally, I'm doing a revamp of quite a bit of this language, which likely means redesigned and updated banknotes soon.

Looks like Swedish to me.

[Travis B.]

I really like Vrkhazhian and am always meaning to go look for more of it -- but in the meantime enjoy the snippets as they come up. It's got that philological truthiness to it that I'm a real sucker for.

Agreed definitely!

[fusijui]

Philological truthiness?

That was flippant and cryptic, I apologize. It gives me a very specific impression of reading a modern description of a literary language drawing on an older body of philologically grounded, or 'classical' scholarship. Which tickles my fancy.

Maybe I've been around this block too many times, but these days conlangs are less inherently interesting to me, and how they're presented is more so.

[Ahzoh]

Philological truthiness?

That was flippant and cryptic, I apologize. It gives me a very specific impression of reading a modern description of a literary language drawing on an older body of philologically grounded, or 'classical' scholarship. Which tickles my fancy.

Maybe I've been around this block too many times, but these days conlangs are less inherently interesting to me, and how they're presented is more so.

I do value the presentation of the content as much as the content itself. An illustrative table or example sentence can go a long way.

I mostly try to emulate wikipedia or a grammar textbook of some ancient Mesopotamian language (like Akkadian)

[Travis B.]

Philological truthiness?

That was flippant and cryptic, I apologize. It gives me a very specific impression of reading a modern description of a literary language drawing on an older body of philologically grounded, or 'classical' scholarship. Which tickles my fancy.

Maybe I've been around this block too many times, but these days conlangs are less inherently interesting to me, and how they're presented is more so.

I do value the presentation of the content as much as the content itself. An illustrative table or example sentence can go a long way.

I mostly try to emulate wikipedia or a grammar textbook of some ancient Mesopotamian language (like Akkadian)

I personally appreciate all this. Your descriptions of Vrkhazhian are awesome.

[WeepingElf]

That was flippant and cryptic, I apologize. It gives me a very specific impression of reading a modern description of a literary language drawing on an older body of philologically grounded, or 'classical' scholarship. Which tickles my fancy.

Maybe I've been around this block too many times, but these days conlangs are less inherently interesting to me, and how they're presented is more so.

I do value the presentation of the content as much as the content itself. An illustrative table or example sentence can go a long way.

I mostly try to emulate wikipedia or a grammar textbook of some ancient Mesopotamian language (like Akkadian)

I personally appreciate all this. Your descriptions of Vrkhazhian are awesome.

They are. As is the language itself.

[fusijui]

I personally appreciate all this. Your descriptions of Vrkhazhian are awesome.

They are. As is the language itself.

I'll second that -- or third that? -- but I'm repeating myself even then.

(I think you get some static with commenters who are coming at the work from a different motivation or methodology of conlanging, I hope you don't let that get you down!)

[Ahzoh]

I made a whole list of sentencial permutations accounting for interactions between pronouns, nouns, verbs, and clitics:

1. Affirmative sentences without clitics

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1.	Vrkhazhian	Gloss
1.a)	paraḫta	speak\REAL-3sg
1.b)	paraḫtan	speak\REAL-3pl
1.c)	paraḫta rēbim	speak\REAL-3sg man-M.NOM.SG
1.d)	paraḫtan rēbīya	speak\REAL-3pl man-M.NOM.PL
1.e)	āsa paraḫta	3sg.NOM speak\REAL-3sg
1.f)	āsan paraḫtan	3pl.NOM speak\REAL-3pl
1.g)	āsa paraḫta rēbim	3sg.NOM speak\REAL-3sg man-M.NOM.SG
1.h)	āsan paraḫtan rēbīya	3pl.NOM speak\REAL-3pl man-M.NOM.PL

2. Affirmative sentences with clitic ur= "and"

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2.	Vrkhazhian	Gloss
2.a)	ur=paraḫta	and=speak\REAL-3sg
2.b)	ur=paraḫtan	and=speak\REAL-3pl
2.c)	ur=paraḫta rēbim	and=speak\REAL-3sg man-M.NOM.SG
2.d)	ur=paraḫtan rēbīya	and=speak\REAL-3pl man-M.NOM.PL
2.e)	ur=āsa paraḫta	and=3sg.NOM speak\REAL-3sg
2.f)	ur=āsan paraḫtan	and=3pl.NOM speak\REAL-3pl
2.g)	ur=āsa paraḫta rēbim	and=3sg.NOM speak\REAL-3sg man-M.NOM.SG
2.h)	ur=āsan paraḫtan rēbīya	and=3pl.NOM speak\REAL-3pl man-M.NOM.PL

3. Negative sentences without clitics

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3.	Vrkhazhian	Gloss
3.a)	paraḫtasi	speak\REAL-3sg.NEG
3.b)	paraḫtasin	speak\REAL-3pl.NEG
3.c)	paraḫtasi rēbim	speak\REAL-3sg.NEG man-M.NOM.SG
3.d)	paraḫtasin rēbīya	speak\REAL-3pl.NEG man-M.NOM.PL
3.e)	tussa paraḫtasi	3sg.NOM.NEG speak\REAL-3sg.NEG
3.f)	tussan paraḫtasin	3sg.NOM.NEG speak\REAL-3pl.NEG
3.g)	tussa paraḫtasi rēbim	3sg.NOM.NEG speak\REAL-3sg.NEG man-M.NOM.SG
3.h)	tussan paraḫtasin rēbīya	3sg.NOM.NEG speak\REAL-3pl.NEG man-M.NOM.PL

4. Negative sentences with clitic ur= "and"

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4.	Vrkhazhian	Gloss
4.a)	ur=paraḫtasi	and=speak\REAL-3sg.NEG
4.b)	ur=paraḫtasin	and=speak\REAL-3pl.NEG
4.c)	ur=paraḫtasi rēbim	and=speak\REAL-3sg.NEG man-M.NOM.SG
4.d)	ur=paraḫtasin rēbīya	and=speak\REAL-3pl.NEG man-M.NOM.PL
4.e)	ur=tussa paraḫtasi	and=3sg.NOM.NEG speak\REAL-3sg.NEG
4.f)	ur=tussan paraḫtasin	and=3pl.NOM.NEG speak\REAL-3pl.NEG
4.g)	ur=tussa paraḫtasi rēbim	and=3sg.NOM.NEG speak\REAL-3sg.NEG man-M.NOM.SG
4.h)	ur=tussan paraḫtasin rēbīya	and=3pl.NOM.NEG speak\REAL-3pl.NEG man-M.NOM.PL

5. Affirmative sentences with interrogative clitic =ki

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5.	Vrkhazhian	Gloss
5.a)	*paraḫta=ki (not allowed)	speak\REAL-3sg=Q
5.b)	*paraḫtan=ki (not allowed)	speak\REAL-3pl=Q
5.c)	*paraḫta=ki rēbim (not allowed)	speak\REAL-3sg=Q man-M.NOM.SG
5.d)	*paraḫtan=ki rēbīya (not allowed)	speak\REAL-3pl=Q man-M.NOM.PL
5.e)	āsa=ki paraḫta	3sg.NOM=Q speak\REAL-3sg
5.f)	āsan=ki paraḫtan	3pl.NOM=Q speak\REAL-3pl
5.g)	āsa=ki paraḫta rēbim	3sg.NOM=Q speak\REAL-3sg man-M.NOM.SG
5.h)	āsan=ki paraḫtan rēbīya	3pl.NOM=Q speak\REAL-3pl man-M.NOM.PL

6. Affirmative sentences with interrogative clitic =ki and clitic ur= "and"

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6.	Vrkhazhian	Gloss
6.a)	ur=ki paraḫta	and=Q speak\REAL-3sg
6.b)	ur=ki paraḫtan	and=Q speak\REAL-3pl
6.c)	ur=ki paraḫta rēbim	and=Q speak\REAL-3sg man-M.NOM.SG
6.d)	ur=ki paraḫtan rēbīya	and=Q speak\REAL-3pl man-M.NOM.PL
6.e)	ur=ki āsa paraḫta	and=Q 3sg.NOM speak\REAL-3sg
6.f)	ur=ki āsan paraḫtan	and=Q 3pl.NOM speak\REAL-3pl
6.g)	ur=ki āsa paraḫta rēbim	and=Q 3sg.NOM speak\REAL-3sg man-M.NOM.SG
6.h)	ur=ki āsan paraḫtan rēbīya	and=Q 3pl.NOM speak\REAL-3pl man-M.NOM.PL

7. Negative sentences with interrogative clitic =ki

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7.	Vrkhazhian	Gloss
7.a)	*paraḫtasi=ki (not allowed)	speak\REAL-3sg.NEG=Q
7.b)	*paraḫtasin=ki (not allowed)	speak\REAL-3pl.NEG=Q
7.c)	*paraḫtasi=ki rēbim (not allowed)	speak\REAL-3sg.NEG=Q man-M.NOM.SG
7.d)	*paraḫtasin=ki rēbīya (not allowed)	speak\REAL-3pl.NEG=Q man-M.NOM.PL
7.e)	tussa=ki paraḫtasi	3sg.NOM.NEG=Q speak\REAL-3sg.NEG
7.f)	tussan=ki paraḫtasin	3pl.NOM.NEG=Q speak\REAL-3pl.NEG
7.g)	tussa=ki paraḫtasi rēbim	3sg.NOM.NEG=Q speak\REAL-3sg.NEG man-M.NOM.SG
7.h)	tussan=ki paraḫtasin rēbīya	3pl.NOM.NEG=Q speak\REAL-3pl.NEG man-M.NOM.PL

8. Negative sentences with interrogative clitic =ki and clitic ur= "and"

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8.	Vrkhazhian	Gloss
8.a)	ur=ki paraḫtasi	and=Q speak\REAL-3sg.NEG
8.b)	ur=ki paraḫtasin	and=Q speak\REAL-3pl.NEG
8.c)	ur=ki paraḫtasi rēbim	and=Q speak\REAL-3sg.NEG man-M.NOM.SG
8.d)	ur=ki paraḫtasin rēbīya	and=Q speak\REAL-3pl.NEG man-M.NOM.PL
8.e)	ur=ki tussa paraḫtasi	and=Q 3sg.NOM.NEG speak\REAL-3sg.NEG
8.f)	ur=ki tussan paraḫtasin	and=Q 3pl.NOM.NEG speak\REAL-3pl.NEG
8.g)	ur=ki tussa paraḫtasi rēbim	and=Q 3sg.NOM.NEG speak\REAL-3sg.NEG man-M.NOM.SG
8.h)	ur=ki tussan paraḫtasin rēbīya	and=Q 3pl.NOM.NEG speak\REAL-3pl.NEG man-M.NOM.PL

Editing all these tables is a pain in the ass

[Ahzoh]

With some help I made a verb conjugation template using wiki code:
https://linguifex.com/wiki/Template:Vrk ... tem_Strong

[fusijui]

Looks good -- and I never knew about this Linguifex place before, so double thanks!

[äreo]

I coined two new Msérsca words for the first time in months: pindir to press, apply, anoint, especially with the thumb; and stellar to choose.

[linguistcat]

I started making a map for my science fantasy human homeworld. Also been working on learning coding and making a website but that's more been the past week and not today. Although I have worked on the website today as well.

[keenir]

I coined two new Msérsca words for the first time in months

excellent news.

[Ahzoh]

Originally I had it that the ablaut classes in Vrkhazhian verbs would be random and have no clear origin, but I had recently decided to make them dependent on certain stem types: G-stem (ground stem or basic stem) D-Stem (doubled stem or geminate stem), and L-stem (lengthened stem).

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        Realis  / Irrealis / Imperative / Role
G-stem: PaRv́Ḫ-  / -PRv́Ḫ-   / PaRḪ-á-    : (Basic)
D-stem: PaRRv́Ḫ- / -PaRRv́Ḫ- / PaRRvḪ-á-  : (Pluractional I, Factitive)
L-stem: PāRv́Ḫ-  / -PāRv́Ḫ   / PāRvḪ-á-   : (Pluractional II)

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Although the L-stem is becoming rare and mostly found only in Sound and Final-Weak verbs, with the stem never being found in Initial-Weak and Middle-Weak verbs (because of elision)

[WeepingElf]

Drafted new verb paradigms for Proto-Hesperic, which still need some fine tuning, though.