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dewrad wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 10:18 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:23 pm(By the way, I’m just wondering: where did you get the names from?)

Really?

bradrn wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:10 am I’ve finished the others:

Plymouth:

⟨a e i o u v w y⟩ /a e i o u v̩ ɯ y/
⟨ā ē ī ō ū v̄ w̄ ȳ⟩ /aː eː iː oː uː v̩ː ɯː yː/

⟨m n ŋ̇ ŋ ˀ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ ʔ/
⟨p t č k⟩ /p t c k/
⟨b d ǰ g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨ƀ đ ϑ ǥ⟩ /ɓ ɗ ʄ ɠ/
⟨s š h⟩ /s ʃ h/
⟨z ž ˁ⟩ /z ʒ ʕ~ɦ/
⟨r l ɬ⟩ /r l ɬ/

Cotaili:

⟨ä e ö i ü a o u⟩ /æ e ø i y ɑ o u/
⟨â ē ô ī û ā ō ū⟩ /æː eː øː iː yː ɑː oː uː/

⟨m n ñ ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t k⟩ /p t k/
⟨b d g⟩ /b d ɡ/
⟨c č j⟩ /t͡s t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
⟨f s š x h⟩ /f s ʃ x h/
⟨v z ž ɣ⟩ /v z ʒ ɣ/
⟨l ł⟩ /l ɫ/
⟨r y ẏ w⟩ /r j ɰ w/

Fake Spanish:

⟨i ü ꞷ u⟩ /i y ɯ u/
⟨ï ʊ⟩ /ɪ ʊ/
⟨e ə ʉ o⟩ /e ə ɵ o/
⟨ɛ œ ʌ ɔ⟩ /ɛ œ ʌ ɔ/
⟨æ a⟩ /æ ɑ/

⟨m n ň ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t ť k ǩ q⟩ /p t c k q ʔ/
⟨b d ď g ǧ⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ ɢ/
⟨c č⟩ /t͡s t͡ʃ/
⟨f s š x ẍ h⟩ /f s ʃ x χ h/
⟨ʋ v z ž⟩ /ʋ v z ʒ/
⟨r ř y ȳ w⟩ /ɾ r j ɰ w/
⟨l ľ⟩ /l ʎ/

I’m a bit uncertain about some of these, particularly Plymouth ⟨v v̄⟩, Fake Spanish ⟨ť ǩ ď ǧ ʋ⟩, and pretty much the whole of the Fake Spanish vowel system (which seems just slightly too big to be plausible), but overall I’m fairly happy about most of this.

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:23 pm Pheasanti:

⟨a e i o u ʌ ə ü⟩ /a e i o u ʌ ɤ ɯ/
⟨ā ē ī ō ū ʌ̄ ə̄ û⟩ /aː eː iː oː uː ʌː ɤː ɯː/

⟨m n ny ng⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t ky/ty/c k⟩ /p t c k/
⟨b d dy/gy/j g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨f s sy/sh h⟩ /f s ʃ~ɕ h/
⟨v z zy/zh⟩ /v z ʒ~ʑ/
⟨l ly⟩ /l ʎ/
⟨r y w⟩ /r j w/

Robiin:

⟨a e i o u à ò ù⟩ /a e i o u ʌ ɤ ɯ/

⟨m n ñ⟩ /m n ɲ/
⟨p t k ʻ⟩ /p t k ʔ/
⟨b d ḑ g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨c ç⟩ /t͡s t͡ʃ~t͡ɕ/
⟨j ʒ⟩ /d͡z d͡ʒ~d͡ʑ/
⟨f s ş h⟩ /f s ʃ~ɕ x/
⟨v z z̧ ģ⟩ /v z ʒ~ʑ ɣ/
⟨r y w⟩ /r j w/
⟨l ł ļ⟩ /l ɬ ʎ/


Will post the rest later when I get time to do them.

(By the way, I’m just wondering: where did you get the names from?)

Birdlang wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:46 am The Fake Spanish vowel system is actually right except the IPA letters are as in IPA and ï is /ɨ/.

Plymouth v plus long version is /æ æː/ and w and long are /ø øː/.

Fake Spanish t and d with Caron are dental fricatives (voiceless and voiced respectively), k and g with Caron are palatal stops.

Birdlang wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:48 am Robiin r is actually /v͝r/ (yes a coarticulated fricative and trill).

I got the names because of the different Birdish ethnicities.

bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:26 pm Birdanian:

⟨m n ñ ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t c/tx k⟩ /p t t͡ʃ k/
⟨b d q/dj g⟩ /b d d͡ʒ ɡ/
⟨f s x h⟩ /f s ʃ h/
⟨v z j ɣ⟩ /v z ʒ ɣ/
⟨r y ÿ w ẅ⟩ /r j ɥ w ɰ/
⟨l ł⟩ /l ɬ/

⟨a e i o u⟩ /ɑ e i o u/
⟨â ê î ô û⟩ /ɑː eː iː oː uː/
⟨ä ö ü⟩ /æ ɤ ɯ/
⟨ã õ ũ⟩ /ɑ̃ õ ũ/
⟨ǐ ǔ⟩ /ɪ ʊ/

I’m a bit unsure about ⟨ÿ ẅ⟩, but the rest I’m reasonably certain about.

bradrn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:18 pm An easy one:

⟨a b d e f g i k kh l lh m mb n nd ng ŋ p ph q s t th tl tlh ts tsh u w y⟩

And a less easy one:

⟨a ä b c d e ë ẽ f g gw ḡ h ꜧ ƕ i ï ĩ j k l m mb mp n nc nd ng nꜧ nj nk nq nt nw nw̃ ñ n̄ n̄w o ö õ p q r rr s š t u ü v w w̃ y z⟩

Birdlang wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:57 am An easy one:

⟨a b d e f g i k kh l lh m mb n nd ng ŋ p ph q s t th tl tlh ts tsh u w y⟩
/a b d e f g i k kʰ l ɬ m ᵐb n ⁿd ᵑg ŋ p pʰ ʔ s t tʰ t͝ɬ t͝ɬʰ ʧ ʧʰ u β j/

And a less easy one:

⟨a ä b c d e ë ẽ f g gw ḡ h ꜧ ƕ i ï ĩ j k l m mb mp n nc nd ng nꜧ nj nk nq nt nw nw̃ ñ n̄ n̄w o ö õ p q r rr s š t u ü v w w̃ y z⟩
/a æ b ʧ d e ə ɛ̃ f g ɰ ɣ h g̊ ʍ i ɨ ĩ ʤ k l m ᵐb ᵐp n ᶮʧ ⁿd ᵑg ᵑg̊ ᶮʤ ᵑk ᶰq ⁿt nʷ nᶣ ɲ ŋ ŋʷ o ø ɔ̃ p q ɾ r~ʀ s ʃ t u y v w ɥ j z/

i ü ï u			/i y ɨ u/
 ĩ			/ɪ/
e ö ë o			/e ø ɘ o/
ẽ     õ			/ɛ     ɔ/
a   ä			/æ   ɑ/



m  n  ñ  n̄  n̄w	/ m  n  ɲ   ŋ  ŋʷ/
p  t  c  k  q  ꜧ  w̃	/ p  t  tʃ  k  kʷ  ʔ  ʔʷ~w̰/
mp nt nc nk nq nꜧ nw̃	/ᵐp ⁿt ᶮtʃ ᵑk ᵑkʷ ᵑʔ ᵑʔʷ~ᵑw̰/
b  d  j  g  gw		/ b  d  dʒ  ɡ  ɡʷ/
mb nd nj ng nw		/ᵐb ⁿd ᶮdʒ ᵑɡ ᵑɡʷ/
f  s  š			/ f  s  ʃ/
v  z  y  ḡ  w  h  ƕ	/ v  z  ʒ   ɣ  w   h  hʷ~ʍ/
l r rr			/l ɾ r/

I found those both easy
Now for a different one
Modern Pigeonese
a á ä a̋ b ƀ c č d ď đ e é ê ế ë e̋ f g ǥ ḡ h ḥ i í j k ꝁ ḵ l ľ ƚ m n ŋ ň o ó ô ố ö ő p ꝑ r ř s š t ť ŧ u ú ŭ ŭ́ ü ű v ʋ w ẃ y ý z ž ɂ ə

bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:50 am

Birdlang wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:57 am An easy one:

⟨a b d e f g i k kh l lh m mb n nd ng ŋ p ph q s t th tl tlh ts tsh u w y⟩
/a b d e f g i k kʰ l ɬ m ᵐb n ⁿd ᵑg ŋ p pʰ ʔ s t tʰ t͝ɬ t͝ɬʰ ʧ ʧʰ u β j/

Correct (except for ⟨ts tsh w⟩, which should be /t͡s t͡sʰ w/).

And a less easy one:

⟨a ä b c d e ë ẽ f g gw ḡ h ꜧ ƕ i ï ĩ j k l m mb mp n nc nd ng nꜧ nj nk nq nt nw nw̃ ñ n̄ n̄w o ö õ p q r rr s š t u ü v w w̃ y z⟩
/a æ b ʧ d e ə ɛ̃ f g ɰ ɣ h g̊ ʍ i ɨ ĩ ʤ k l m ᵐb ᵐp n ᶮʧ ⁿd ᵑg ᵑg̊ ᶮʤ ᵑk ᶰq ⁿt nʷ nᶣ ɲ ŋ ŋʷ o ø ɔ̃ p q ɾ r~ʀ s ʃ t u y v w ɥ j z/

Mostly incorrect. (Told you it was less easy.) Here’s what I have:

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i ü ï u			/i y ɨ u/
 ĩ			/ɪ/
e ö ë o			/e ø ɘ o/
ẽ     õ			/ɛ     ɔ/
a   ä			/æ   ɑ/



m  n  ñ  n̄  n̄w	/ m  n  ɲ   ŋ  ŋʷ/
p  t  c  k  q  ꜧ  w̃	/ p  t  tʃ  k  kʷ  ʔ  ʔʷ~w̰/
mp nt nc nk nq nꜧ nw̃	/ᵐp ⁿt ᶮtʃ ᵑk ᵑkʷ ᵑʔ ᵑʔʷ~ᵑw̰/
b  d  j  g  gw		/ b  d  dʒ  ɡ  ɡʷ/
mb nd nj ng nw		/ᵐb ⁿd ᶮdʒ ᵑɡ ᵑɡʷ/
f  s  š			/ f  s  ʃ/
v  z  y  ḡ  w  h  ƕ	/ v  z  ʒ   ɣ  w   h  hʷ~ʍ/
l r rr			/l ɾ r/

(And also: how is /g̊/ different to /k/?)

I found those both easy
Now for a different one
Modern Pigeonese
a á ä a̋ b ƀ c č d ď đ e é ê ế ë e̋ f g ǥ ḡ h ḥ i í j k ꝁ ḵ l ľ ƚ m n ŋ ň o ó ô ố ö ő p ꝑ r ř s š t ť ŧ u ú ŭ ŭ́ ü ű v ʋ w ẃ y ý z ž ɂ ə

I’ll do this one later when I get some more time.

Birdlang wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:08 am The k I thought of as aspirated but I forgot about it, and g devoiced was kind of for an unaspirated version.

bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:12 am

Birdlang wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:08 am The k I thought of as aspirated but I forgot about it, and g devoiced was kind of for an unaspirated version.

I suspected it would be something like that.

Now, Modern Pigeonese:

⟨m n ň ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t ť k ɂ⟩ /p t c k ʔ/
⟨b d ď g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨c č⟩ /ts t͡ʃ/
⟨ꝑ f ŧ s š ꝁ ḵ ḥ h⟩ /ɸ f θ s ʃ x χ ħ h/
⟨ƀ ʋ đ z ž ǥ ḡ⟩ /β b ð z ʒ ɣ ʁ/
⟨j v l ľ ƚ r ř⟩ /j w l ʎ ɬ r r̥/

⟨ä a ê ô e ö ə ë o i ü ŭ u y w⟩ /æ ɑ ɛ ɔ e ø ə ɤ o i y ɯ u/
Acute accent added to vowels (or diaeresis → double-acute) to mark stress.

Darren wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:18 am I'm interested to see how people will work out Fiyfuenuwfuwa.

<c e f g ia io iw iy m n o ua ue uw uy>

And here's a sample of gibberish to help you:
Muwniamiy-iy-gio e cuacoguy-gio geciwcuw moniw-fe, e muamiofiw-fio.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:20 am Your language name doesn’t seem to be compatible with your romanization — it seems to use a letter ⟨a⟩ which doesn’t exist in the romanization.

Anyway, I’m not quite sure about this, but here’s my best guess:

Consonants:

Consonants can occur palatalised or labiovelarised.

Palatalised: ⟨m n c f g⟩ /mʲ ɲ c ç j/
Labiovelarised: ⟨m n c f g⟩ /mˠ ŋʷ kʷ ɸʷ~ʍ w/

Vowels:

These vowels palatalise the previous consonant (if any): ⟨ia e io iy iw⟩ /ʲa ʲe~ʲi ʲo~ʲu ʲy ʲɯ/
These vowels labiovelarise the previous consonant (if any): ⟨ua ue o uy uw⟩ /ʷa ʷy ʷe~ʷi ʷo~ʷu ʷy ʷɯ/

karch wrote: <c e f g ia io iw iy m n o ua ue uw uy>
/pʷ pʲ tʷ tʲ kʷ kʲ mʷ mʲ nʲ ŋʷ j w/ <fu fi cu ci gu gi mu mi ni nu i u>
/i u e o a/ <i~y u~w e o a>
/ʲe ʷo/ <e o>
Non-front vowels are fronted before palatal(ized) consonants.
Voiceless stops are voiced intervocalically. Word-initially, the most common allophones of the labial and alveolar stops tend to be [pɸʷ pç tʷ~ʦʷ ʧ], whereas intervocalically, the most common allophones are [βʷ~w βʲ dʷ ʤ].
The sequences /iji/ and /uwu/ often contract into long vowels.

Muwniamiy-iy-gio e cuacoguy-gio geciwcuw moniw-fe, e muamiofiw-fio.
/mʷunʲamʲijikʲo je tʷatʷokʷikʲo kʲetʲutʷu mʷonʲupʲe | je mʷamʲopʲupʲo/
[mʷunʲæmʲi:ɡʲɵ je tʷɑdʷoɡʷɪɡʲo kʲeʤʉdʷu mʷonʲʉβʲe | je mʷɑmʲɵβʲʉβʲɵ]