Well, yes, of course it’s obvious that the first is from ‘Pheasant’, the next is from ‘Robin’ etc… I’m just wondering if there was any particular logic behind Birdlang’s choice of those specific names.
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I’ve finished the others:
Plymouth:
⟨a e i o u v w y⟩ /a e i o u v̩ ɯ y/
⟨ā ē ī ō ū v̄ w̄ ȳ⟩ /aː eː iː oː uː v̩ː ɯː yː/
⟨m n ŋ̇ ŋ ˀ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ ʔ/
⟨p t č k⟩ /p t c k/
⟨b d ǰ g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨ƀ đ ϑ ǥ⟩ /ɓ ɗ ʄ ɠ/
⟨s š h⟩ /s ʃ h/
⟨z ž ˁ⟩ /z ʒ ʕ~ɦ/
⟨r l ɬ⟩ /r l ɬ/
Cotaili:
⟨ä e ö i ü a o u⟩ /æ e ø i y ɑ o u/
⟨â ē ô ī û ā ō ū⟩ /æː eː øː iː yː ɑː oː uː/
⟨m n ñ ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t k⟩ /p t k/
⟨b d g⟩ /b d ɡ/
⟨c č j⟩ /t͡s t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
⟨f s š x h⟩ /f s ʃ x h/
⟨v z ž ɣ⟩ /v z ʒ ɣ/
⟨l ł⟩ /l ɫ/
⟨r y ẏ w⟩ /r j ɰ w/
Fake Spanish:
⟨i ü ꞷ u⟩ /i y ɯ u/
⟨ï ʊ⟩ /ɪ ʊ/
⟨e ə ʉ o⟩ /e ə ɵ o/
⟨ɛ œ ʌ ɔ⟩ /ɛ œ ʌ ɔ/
⟨æ a⟩ /æ ɑ/
⟨m n ň ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t ť k ǩ q⟩ /p t c k q ʔ/
⟨b d ď g ǧ⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ ɢ/
⟨c č⟩ /t͡s t͡ʃ/
⟨f s š x ẍ h⟩ /f s ʃ x χ h/
⟨ʋ v z ž⟩ /ʋ v z ʒ/
⟨r ř y ȳ w⟩ /ɾ r j ɰ w/
⟨l ľ⟩ /l ʎ/
I’m a bit uncertain about some of these, particularly Plymouth ⟨v v̄⟩, Fake Spanish ⟨ť ǩ ď ǧ ʋ⟩, and pretty much the whole of the Fake Spanish vowel system (which seems just slightly too big to be plausible), but overall I’m fairly happy about most of this.
Plymouth:
⟨a e i o u v w y⟩ /a e i o u v̩ ɯ y/
⟨ā ē ī ō ū v̄ w̄ ȳ⟩ /aː eː iː oː uː v̩ː ɯː yː/
⟨m n ŋ̇ ŋ ˀ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ ʔ/
⟨p t č k⟩ /p t c k/
⟨b d ǰ g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨ƀ đ ϑ ǥ⟩ /ɓ ɗ ʄ ɠ/
⟨s š h⟩ /s ʃ h/
⟨z ž ˁ⟩ /z ʒ ʕ~ɦ/
⟨r l ɬ⟩ /r l ɬ/
Cotaili:
⟨ä e ö i ü a o u⟩ /æ e ø i y ɑ o u/
⟨â ē ô ī û ā ō ū⟩ /æː eː øː iː yː ɑː oː uː/
⟨m n ñ ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t k⟩ /p t k/
⟨b d g⟩ /b d ɡ/
⟨c č j⟩ /t͡s t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
⟨f s š x h⟩ /f s ʃ x h/
⟨v z ž ɣ⟩ /v z ʒ ɣ/
⟨l ł⟩ /l ɫ/
⟨r y ẏ w⟩ /r j ɰ w/
Fake Spanish:
⟨i ü ꞷ u⟩ /i y ɯ u/
⟨ï ʊ⟩ /ɪ ʊ/
⟨e ə ʉ o⟩ /e ə ɵ o/
⟨ɛ œ ʌ ɔ⟩ /ɛ œ ʌ ɔ/
⟨æ a⟩ /æ ɑ/
⟨m n ň ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t ť k ǩ q⟩ /p t c k q ʔ/
⟨b d ď g ǧ⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ ɢ/
⟨c č⟩ /t͡s t͡ʃ/
⟨f s š x ẍ h⟩ /f s ʃ x χ h/
⟨ʋ v z ž⟩ /ʋ v z ʒ/
⟨r ř y ȳ w⟩ /ɾ r j ɰ w/
⟨l ľ⟩ /l ʎ/
I’m a bit uncertain about some of these, particularly Plymouth ⟨v v̄⟩, Fake Spanish ⟨ť ǩ ď ǧ ʋ⟩, and pretty much the whole of the Fake Spanish vowel system (which seems just slightly too big to be plausible), but overall I’m fairly happy about most of this.
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The Fake Spanish vowel system is actually right except the IPA letters are as in IPA and ï is /ɨ/.bradrn wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:10 am I’ve finished the others:
Plymouth:
⟨a e i o u v w y⟩ /a e i o u v̩ ɯ y/
⟨ā ē ī ō ū v̄ w̄ ȳ⟩ /aː eː iː oː uː v̩ː ɯː yː/
⟨m n ŋ̇ ŋ ˀ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ ʔ/
⟨p t č k⟩ /p t c k/
⟨b d ǰ g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨ƀ đ ϑ ǥ⟩ /ɓ ɗ ʄ ɠ/
⟨s š h⟩ /s ʃ h/
⟨z ž ˁ⟩ /z ʒ ʕ~ɦ/
⟨r l ɬ⟩ /r l ɬ/
Cotaili:
⟨ä e ö i ü a o u⟩ /æ e ø i y ɑ o u/
⟨â ē ô ī û ā ō ū⟩ /æː eː øː iː yː ɑː oː uː/
⟨m n ñ ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t k⟩ /p t k/
⟨b d g⟩ /b d ɡ/
⟨c č j⟩ /t͡s t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
⟨f s š x h⟩ /f s ʃ x h/
⟨v z ž ɣ⟩ /v z ʒ ɣ/
⟨l ł⟩ /l ɫ/
⟨r y ẏ w⟩ /r j ɰ w/
Fake Spanish:
⟨i ü ꞷ u⟩ /i y ɯ u/
⟨ï ʊ⟩ /ɪ ʊ/
⟨e ə ʉ o⟩ /e ə ɵ o/
⟨ɛ œ ʌ ɔ⟩ /ɛ œ ʌ ɔ/
⟨æ a⟩ /æ ɑ/
⟨m n ň ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t ť k ǩ q⟩ /p t c k q ʔ/
⟨b d ď g ǧ⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ ɢ/
⟨c č⟩ /t͡s t͡ʃ/
⟨f s š x ẍ h⟩ /f s ʃ x χ h/
⟨ʋ v z ž⟩ /ʋ v z ʒ/
⟨r ř y ȳ w⟩ /ɾ r j ɰ w/
⟨l ľ⟩ /l ʎ/
I’m a bit uncertain about some of these, particularly Plymouth ⟨v v̄⟩, Fake Spanish ⟨ť ǩ ď ǧ ʋ⟩, and pretty much the whole of the Fake Spanish vowel system (which seems just slightly too big to be plausible), but overall I’m fairly happy about most of this.
Plymouth v plus long version is /æ æː/ and w and long are /ø øː/.
Fake Spanish t and d with Caron are dental fricatives (voiceless and voiced respectively), k and g with Caron are palatal stops.
Y with macron in Fake Spanish is actually /ʁ/.
Cotaili y-dot is /ç/.
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
Well the ty/dy/ky/gy/c/j are actually affricates, either palatal or alveolo palatal.bradrn wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:23 pm Pheasanti:
⟨a e i o u ʌ ə ü⟩ /a e i o u ʌ ɤ ɯ/
⟨ā ē ī ō ū ʌ̄ ə̄ û⟩ /aː eː iː oː uː ʌː ɤː ɯː/
⟨m n ny ng⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t ky/ty/c k⟩ /p t c k/
⟨b d dy/gy/j g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨f s sy/sh h⟩ /f s ʃ~ɕ h/
⟨v z zy/zh⟩ /v z ʒ~ʑ/
⟨l ly⟩ /l ʎ/
⟨r y w⟩ /r j w/
Robiin:
⟨a e i o u à ò ù⟩ /a e i o u ʌ ɤ ɯ/
⟨m n ñ⟩ /m n ɲ/
⟨p t k ʻ⟩ /p t k ʔ/
⟨b d ḑ g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨c ç⟩ /t͡s t͡ʃ~t͡ɕ/
⟨j ʒ⟩ /d͡z d͡ʒ~d͡ʑ/
⟨f s ş h⟩ /f s ʃ~ɕ x/
⟨v z z̧ ģ⟩ /v z ʒ~ʑ ɣ/
⟨r y w⟩ /r j w/
⟨l ł ļ⟩ /l ɬ ʎ/
Will post the rest later when I get time to do them.
(By the way, I’m just wondering: where did you get the names from?)
Robiin r is actually /v͝r/ (yes a coarticulated fricative and trill). And j and ʒ are swapped around.
I got the names because of the different Birdish ethnicities.
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So the close vowels are /i y ɨ ʉ ɯ u/ then? That sounds pretty extreme, especially since there are practically no known languages which contrast even both of /ɨ ɯ/.
I’d be curious to know: why did you choose ⟨v⟩ for /æ/? That seems like a rather unusual choice to me.Plymouth v plus long version is /æ æː/ and w and long are /ø øː/.
I was reluctant to assign ⟨ť ď⟩ to non-palatal stops, since natlangs seem to universally use them for palatals, but your assignment makes much more sense.Fake Spanish t and d with Caron are dental fricatives (voiceless and voiced respectively), k and g with Caron are palatal stops.
I would never have guessed that, though I suspect you didn’t expect anyone to get that right.
Are you seriously telling me that you have an ethnicity called ‘Fake Spanish’‽‽‽ (But admittedly that explanation does make sense for all the other ones.)I got the names because of the different Birdish ethnicities.
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I don’t have a Fake Spanish ethnicity, but it’s sort of like a language that is called because the old spelling looked similar to Spanish so there were lots of phonemes spelled the same, it’s actually a Faekic language (all the language names are Fake + (natlang name, 10 known of these). The actual speakers is Birdanians (the name for the ethnic group with Birdish) (they speak 2 different languages, Birdish and Birdanian.
Here’s Birdanian
a â ä ã b c/tx d e ê f g ɣ h i î ĭ j k l ł m n ŋ ñ o ô ö õ p q/dj r s t u û ü ũ ŭ v w ẅ x y ÿ z
Here’s Birdanian
a â ä ã b c/tx d e ê f g ɣ h i î ĭ j k l ł m n ŋ ñ o ô ö õ p q/dj r s t u û ü ũ ŭ v w ẅ x y ÿ z
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Birdanian:
⟨m n ñ ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t c/tx k⟩ /p t t͡ʃ k/
⟨b d q/dj g⟩ /b d d͡ʒ ɡ/
⟨f s x h⟩ /f s ʃ h/
⟨v z j ɣ⟩ /v z ʒ ɣ/
⟨r y ÿ w ẅ⟩ /r j ɥ w ɰ/
⟨l ł⟩ /l ɬ/
⟨a e i o u⟩ /ɑ e i o u/
⟨â ê î ô û⟩ /ɑː eː iː oː uː/
⟨ä ö ü⟩ /æ ɤ ɯ/
⟨ã õ ũ⟩ /ɑ̃ õ ũ/
⟨ǐ ǔ⟩ /ɪ ʊ/
I’m a bit unsure about ⟨ÿ ẅ⟩, but the rest I’m reasonably certain about.
⟨m n ñ ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t c/tx k⟩ /p t t͡ʃ k/
⟨b d q/dj g⟩ /b d d͡ʒ ɡ/
⟨f s x h⟩ /f s ʃ h/
⟨v z j ɣ⟩ /v z ʒ ɣ/
⟨r y ÿ w ẅ⟩ /r j ɥ w ɰ/
⟨l ł⟩ /l ɬ/
⟨a e i o u⟩ /ɑ e i o u/
⟨â ê î ô û⟩ /ɑː eː iː oː uː/
⟨ä ö ü⟩ /æ ɤ ɯ/
⟨ã õ ũ⟩ /ɑ̃ õ ũ/
⟨ǐ ǔ⟩ /ɪ ʊ/
I’m a bit unsure about ⟨ÿ ẅ⟩, but the rest I’m reasonably certain about.
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The i and u with breve are for glides /i̯/ and /u̯/.bradrn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:26 pm Birdanian:
⟨m n ñ ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t c/tx k⟩ /p t t͡ʃ k/
⟨b d q/dj g⟩ /b d d͡ʒ ɡ/
⟨f s x h⟩ /f s ʃ h/
⟨v z j ɣ⟩ /v z ʒ ɣ/
⟨r y ÿ w ẅ⟩ /r j ɥ w ɰ/
⟨l ł⟩ /l ɬ/
⟨a e i o u⟩ /ɑ e i o u/
⟨â ê î ô û⟩ /ɑː eː iː oː uː/
⟨ä ö ü⟩ /æ ɤ ɯ/
⟨ã õ ũ⟩ /ɑ̃ õ ũ/
⟨ǐ ǔ⟩ /ɪ ʊ/
I’m a bit unsure about ⟨ÿ ẅ⟩, but the rest I’m reasonably certain about.
The tildes are for long umlaut vowels which are actually /æ œ y/.
E and o are actually /ɛ ɔ/.
But other than that you got it all right.
You even got ÿ and ẅ right.
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An easy one:
⟨a b d e f g i k kh l lh m mb n nd ng ŋ p ph q s t th tl tlh ts tsh u w y⟩
And a less easy one:
⟨a ä b c d e ë ẽ f g gw ḡ h ꜧ ƕ i ï ĩ j k l m mb mp n nc nd ng nꜧ nj nk nq nt nw nw̃ ñ n̄ n̄w o ö õ p q r rr s š t u ü v w w̃ y z⟩
EDIT: Added some missing letters to second one
⟨a b d e f g i k kh l lh m mb n nd ng ŋ p ph q s t th tl tlh ts tsh u w y⟩
And a less easy one:
⟨a ä b c d e ë ẽ f g gw ḡ h ꜧ ƕ i ï ĩ j k l m mb mp n nc nd ng nꜧ nj nk nq nt nw nw̃ ñ n̄ n̄w o ö õ p q r rr s š t u ü v w w̃ y z⟩
EDIT: Added some missing letters to second one
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Bumping this as no-one has responded in a week:
(I know bumping is frowned upon here, but I hope it’s acceptable in this particular case…)
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An easy one:
⟨a b d e f g i k kh l lh m mb n nd ng ŋ p ph q s t th tl tlh ts tsh u w y⟩
/a b d e f g i k kʰ l ɬ m ᵐb n ⁿd ᵑg ŋ p pʰ ʔ s t tʰ t͝ɬ t͝ɬʰ ʧ ʧʰ u β j/
And a less easy one:
⟨a ä b c d e ë ẽ f g gw ḡ h ꜧ ƕ i ï ĩ j k l m mb mp n nc nd ng nꜧ nj nk nq nt nw nw̃ ñ n̄ n̄w o ö õ p q r rr s š t u ü v w w̃ y z⟩
/a æ b ʧ d e ə ɛ̃ f g ɰ ɣ h g̊ ʍ i ɨ ĩ ʤ k l m ᵐb ᵐp n ᶮʧ ⁿd ᵑg ᵑg̊ ᶮʤ ᵑk ᶰq ⁿt nʷ nᶣ ɲ ŋ ŋʷ o ø ɔ̃ p q ɾ r~ʀ s ʃ t u y v w ɥ j z/
I found those both easy
Now for a different one
Modern Pigeonese
a á ä a̋ b ƀ c č d ď đ e é ê ế ë e̋ f g ǥ ḡ h ḥ i í j k ꝁ ḵ l ľ ƚ m n ŋ ň o ó ô ố ö ő p ꝑ r ř s š t ť ŧ u ú ŭ ŭ́ ü ű v ʋ w ẃ y ý z ž ɂ ə
⟨a b d e f g i k kh l lh m mb n nd ng ŋ p ph q s t th tl tlh ts tsh u w y⟩
/a b d e f g i k kʰ l ɬ m ᵐb n ⁿd ᵑg ŋ p pʰ ʔ s t tʰ t͝ɬ t͝ɬʰ ʧ ʧʰ u β j/
And a less easy one:
⟨a ä b c d e ë ẽ f g gw ḡ h ꜧ ƕ i ï ĩ j k l m mb mp n nc nd ng nꜧ nj nk nq nt nw nw̃ ñ n̄ n̄w o ö õ p q r rr s š t u ü v w w̃ y z⟩
/a æ b ʧ d e ə ɛ̃ f g ɰ ɣ h g̊ ʍ i ɨ ĩ ʤ k l m ᵐb ᵐp n ᶮʧ ⁿd ᵑg ᵑg̊ ᶮʤ ᵑk ᶰq ⁿt nʷ nᶣ ɲ ŋ ŋʷ o ø ɔ̃ p q ɾ r~ʀ s ʃ t u y v w ɥ j z/
I found those both easy
Now for a different one
Modern Pigeonese
a á ä a̋ b ƀ c č d ď đ e é ê ế ë e̋ f g ǥ ḡ h ḥ i í j k ꝁ ḵ l ľ ƚ m n ŋ ň o ó ô ố ö ő p ꝑ r ř s š t ť ŧ u ú ŭ ŭ́ ü ű v ʋ w ẃ y ý z ž ɂ ə
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Correct (except for ⟨ts tsh w⟩, which should be /t͡s t͡sʰ w/).
Mostly incorrect. (Told you it was less easy.) Here’s what I have:And a less easy one:
⟨a ä b c d e ë ẽ f g gw ḡ h ꜧ ƕ i ï ĩ j k l m mb mp n nc nd ng nꜧ nj nk nq nt nw nw̃ ñ n̄ n̄w o ö õ p q r rr s š t u ü v w w̃ y z⟩
/a æ b ʧ d e ə ɛ̃ f g ɰ ɣ h g̊ ʍ i ɨ ĩ ʤ k l m ᵐb ᵐp n ᶮʧ ⁿd ᵑg ᵑg̊ ᶮʤ ᵑk ᶰq ⁿt nʷ nᶣ ɲ ŋ ŋʷ o ø ɔ̃ p q ɾ r~ʀ s ʃ t u y v w ɥ j z/
More: show
I’ll do this one later when I get some more time.I found those both easy
Now for a different one
Modern Pigeonese
a á ä a̋ b ƀ c č d ď đ e é ê ế ë e̋ f g ǥ ḡ h ḥ i í j k ꝁ ḵ l ľ ƚ m n ŋ ň o ó ô ố ö ő p ꝑ r ř s š t ť ŧ u ú ŭ ŭ́ ü ű v ʋ w ẃ y ý z ž ɂ ə
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Thanks,bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:50 amCorrect (except for ⟨ts tsh w⟩, which should be /t͡s t͡sʰ w/).
Mostly incorrect. (Told you it was less easy.) Here’s what I have:And a less easy one:
⟨a ä b c d e ë ẽ f g gw ḡ h ꜧ ƕ i ï ĩ j k l m mb mp n nc nd ng nꜧ nj nk nq nt nw nw̃ ñ n̄ n̄w o ö õ p q r rr s š t u ü v w w̃ y z⟩
/a æ b ʧ d e ə ɛ̃ f g ɰ ɣ h g̊ ʍ i ɨ ĩ ʤ k l m ᵐb ᵐp n ᶮʧ ⁿd ᵑg ᵑg̊ ᶮʤ ᵑk ᶰq ⁿt nʷ nᶣ ɲ ŋ ŋʷ o ø ɔ̃ p q ɾ r~ʀ s ʃ t u y v w ɥ j z/
(And also: how is /g̊/ different to /k/?)More: show
I’ll do this one later when I get some more time.I found those both easy
Now for a different one
Modern Pigeonese
a á ä a̋ b ƀ c č d ď đ e é ê ế ë e̋ f g ǥ ḡ h ḥ i í j k ꝁ ḵ l ľ ƚ m n ŋ ň o ó ô ố ö ő p ꝑ r ř s š t ť ŧ u ú ŭ ŭ́ ü ű v ʋ w ẃ y ý z ž ɂ ə
The k I thought of as aspirated but I forgot about it, and g devoiced was kind of for an unaspirated version.
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
I suspected it would be something like that.
Now, Modern Pigeonese:
⟨m n ň ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t ť k ɂ⟩ /p t c k ʔ/
⟨b d ď g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨c č⟩ /ts t͡ʃ/
⟨ꝑ f ŧ s š ꝁ ḵ ḥ h⟩ /ɸ f θ s ʃ x χ ħ h/
⟨ƀ ʋ đ z ž ǥ ḡ⟩ /β b ð z ʒ ɣ ʁ/
⟨j v l ľ ƚ r ř⟩ /j w l ʎ ɬ r r̥/
⟨ä a ê ô e ö ə ë o i ü ŭ u y w⟩ /æ ɑ ɛ ɔ e ø ə ɤ o i y ɯ u/
Acute accent added to vowels (or diaeresis → double-acute) to mark stress.
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
Okbradrn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:12 amI suspected it would be something like that.
Now, Modern Pigeonese:
⟨m n ň ŋ⟩ /m n ɲ ŋ/
⟨p t ť k ɂ⟩ /p t c k ʔ/
⟨b d ď g⟩ /b d ɟ ɡ/
⟨c č⟩ /ts t͡ʃ/
⟨ꝑ f ŧ s š ꝁ ḵ ḥ h⟩ /ɸ f θ s ʃ x χ ħ h/
⟨ƀ ʋ đ z ž ǥ ḡ⟩ /β b ð z ʒ ɣ ʁ/
⟨j v l ľ ƚ r ř⟩ /j w l ʎ ɬ r r̥/
⟨ä a ê ô e ö ə ë o i ü ŭ u y w⟩ /æ ɑ ɛ ɔ e ø ə ɤ o i y ɯ u/
Acute accent added to vowels (or diaeresis → double-acute) to mark stress.
Acute accent is for length.
The nasals and stops are right, but k and g with macron are uvular stops.
The schwa is a voiced pharyngeal fricative.
The r and ř are /ɾ r/ respectively.
Vowels (plus one that’s actually a consonant) are actually in that order /æ a e o ɛ ø ʕ ɤ ɔ i y ʌ u ʊi̯ ɯ/.
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
I'm interested to see how people will work out Fiyfuenuwfuwa.
<c e f g ia io iw iy m n o ua ue uw uy>
And here's a sample of gibberish to help you:
Muwniamiy-iy-gio e cuacoguy-gio geciwcuw moniw-fe, e muamiofiw-fio.
<c e f g ia io iw iy m n o ua ue uw uy>
And here's a sample of gibberish to help you:
Muwniamiy-iy-gio e cuacoguy-gio geciwcuw moniw-fe, e muamiofiw-fio.
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
Your language name doesn’t seem to be compatible with your romanization — it seems to use a letter ⟨a⟩ which doesn’t exist in the romanization.
Anyway, I’m not quite sure about this, but here’s my best guess:
Consonants:
Consonants can occur palatalised or labiovelarised.
Palatalised: ⟨m n c f g⟩ /mʲ ɲ c ç j/
Labiovelarised: ⟨m n c f g⟩ /mˠ ŋʷ kʷ ɸʷ~ʍ w/
Vowels:
These vowels palatalise the previous consonant (if any): ⟨ia e io iy iw⟩ /ʲa ʲe~ʲi ʲo~ʲu ʲy ʲɯ/
These vowels labiovelarise the previous consonant (if any): ⟨ua ue o uy uw⟩ /ʷa ʷy ʷe~ʷi ʷo~ʷu ʷy ʷɯ/
EDIT: Changed order of vowels lists to something a bit more intuitive
Sample text:
Muwniamiy-iy-gio e cuacoguy-gio geciwcuw moniw-fe, e muamiofiw-fio
/mˠɯnʲamʲyyjo i kʷakʷowyju jecɯcɯ mˠunʲɯçi | i mˠamʲuçɯçu/
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Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
<c e f g ia io iw iy m n o ua ue uw uy>
/pʷ pʲ tʷ tʲ kʷ kʲ mʷ mʲ nʲ ŋʷ j w/ <fu fi cu ci gu gi mu mi ni nu i u>
/i u e o a/ <i~y u~w e o a>
/ʲe ʷo/ <e o>
Non-front vowels are fronted before palatal(ized) consonants.
Voiceless stops are voiced intervocalically. Word-initially, the most common allophones of the labial and alveolar stops tend to be [pɸʷ pç tʷ~ʦʷ ʧ], whereas intervocalically, the most common allophones are [βʷ~w βʲ dʷ ʤ].
The sequences /iji/ and /uwu/ often contract into long vowels.
Muwniamiy-iy-gio e cuacoguy-gio geciwcuw moniw-fe, e muamiofiw-fio.
/mʷunʲamʲijikʲo je tʷatʷokʷikʲo kʲetʲutʷu mʷonʲupʲe | je mʷamʲopʲupʲo/
[mʷunʲæmʲi:ɡʲɵ je tʷɑdʷoɡʷɪɡʲo kʲeʤʉdʷu mʷonʲʉβʲe | je mʷɑmʲɵβʲʉβʲɵ]
The name, assuming it's actually spelled Fiyfuenuwfua, is this pronounced /pʲipʷeŋʷupʷa/ [pçɪweŋʷuwa].
/pʷ pʲ tʷ tʲ kʷ kʲ mʷ mʲ nʲ ŋʷ j w/ <fu fi cu ci gu gi mu mi ni nu i u>
/i u e o a/ <i~y u~w e o a>
/ʲe ʷo/ <e o>
Non-front vowels are fronted before palatal(ized) consonants.
Voiceless stops are voiced intervocalically. Word-initially, the most common allophones of the labial and alveolar stops tend to be [pɸʷ pç tʷ~ʦʷ ʧ], whereas intervocalically, the most common allophones are [βʷ~w βʲ dʷ ʤ].
The sequences /iji/ and /uwu/ often contract into long vowels.
Muwniamiy-iy-gio e cuacoguy-gio geciwcuw moniw-fe, e muamiofiw-fio.
/mʷunʲamʲijikʲo je tʷatʷokʷikʲo kʲetʲutʷu mʷonʲupʲe | je mʷamʲopʲupʲo/
[mʷunʲæmʲi:ɡʲɵ je tʷɑdʷoɡʷɪɡʲo kʲeʤʉdʷu mʷonʲʉβʲe | je mʷɑmʲɵβʲʉβʲɵ]
The name, assuming it's actually spelled Fiyfuenuwfua, is this pronounced /pʲipʷeŋʷupʷa/ [pçɪweŋʷuwa].
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
How about my Malayo Polynesian language? This orthography is based off of Indonesian regional languages.
a b c d e é f g gh gy h i j k kh ky l m n ng ny o ó p r s sy t u eu w y z ʼ
a b c d e é f g gh gy h i j k kh ky l m n ng ny o ó p r s sy t u eu w y z ʼ
Re: Reverse Rominazation Challenge Thread, v2.0
You're right, it should be Fiyfuenuwfuwua.
You got the system of palatals and labials entirely right, but the actual values are different. The consonants <c m n g f> are [p~s, m~ɥ, ɺʷ~n, ŋʷ~z~j, ɸ~ɕ] (g is [z] before front vowels and [j] otherwise). The palatalising vowels are /ʲi ʲə ʲe ʲa ʲɒ/ <iy iw e ia io> which are [ɟi dʑə ɟe dʑa gɒ] when following a vowel or word-initially, and the labialising vowels are /ʷɨ ʷu ʷø ʷa ʷɒ/ <uy uw ue ua o> which become [vɨ gʷu vø va gʷɒ].Anyway, I’m not quite sure about this, but here’s my best guess:
Consonants:
Consonants can occur palatalised or labiovelarised.
Palatalised: ⟨m n c f g⟩ /mʲ ɲ c ç j/
Labiovelarised: ⟨m n c f g⟩ /mˠ ŋʷ kʷ ɸʷ~ʍ w/
Vowels:
These vowels palatalise the previous consonant (if any): ⟨ia e io iy iw⟩ /ʲa ʲe~ʲi ʲo~ʲu ʲy ʲɯ/
These vowels labiovelarise the previous consonant (if any): ⟨ua ue o uy uw⟩ /ʷa ʷy ʷe~ʷi ʷo~ʷu ʷy ʷɯ/
The sample text
Muwniamiy-iy-gio e cuacoguy-gio geciwcuw moniw-fe, e muamiofiw-fio.
[mu.na.ɥi-ɟi-jɒ ɟe pa.pɒ.ŋʷɨ-jɒ ze.sə.pu mɒ.nə-ɕe ɟe ma.ɥɒ.ɕə-ɕɒ]
This is the same sort of idea, and I could equally analyse the palatalisation and labialisation onto the consonants with a vowel system of something like [i~ɨ, ɨ~u, e~ø, a, ɒ], and /p ɟ dʑ g gʷ m n ŋʷ ɺʷ j~z ɥ ɸ v s ɕ/ for the consonants.karch wrote: <c e f g ia io iw iy m n o ua ue uw uy>
/pʷ pʲ tʷ tʲ kʷ kʲ mʷ mʲ nʲ ŋʷ j w/ <fu fi cu ci gu gi mu mi ni nu i u>
/i u e o a/ <i~y u~w e o a>
/ʲe ʷo/ <e o>
Non-front vowels are fronted before palatal(ized) consonants.
Voiceless stops are voiced intervocalically. Word-initially, the most common allophones of the labial and alveolar stops tend to be [pɸʷ pç tʷ~ʦʷ ʧ], whereas intervocalically, the most common allophones are [βʷ~w βʲ dʷ ʤ].
The sequences /iji/ and /uwu/ often contract into long vowels.
Muwniamiy-iy-gio e cuacoguy-gio geciwcuw moniw-fe, e muamiofiw-fio.
/mʷunʲamʲijikʲo je tʷatʷokʷikʲo kʲetʲutʷu mʷonʲupʲe | je mʷamʲopʲupʲo/
[mʷunʲæmʲi:ɡʲɵ je tʷɑdʷoɡʷɪɡʲo kʲeʤʉdʷu mʷonʲʉβʲe | je mʷɑmʲɵβʲʉβʲɵ]