Pronunciations you had to unlearn

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Same for me, though my pronunciation is exclusively /niːʃ/.
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I'm an American that pronounces it /niːʃ/, but then again, I've taken French class. I understand /nɪtʃ/ too.
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Much like "route," this is a word with one form in Britain, two forms in America, but one American form in the minds of Brits.
To me, the FLEECE version is metaphorical ("this animal has a weird NEESH," "Your documentary is too NEESH"), while the KIT version implies something physical ("carve a NITCH into this piece of wood").
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Oh, in the video that I was talking about in my previous post here, it was used in a metaphorical sense.
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StrangerCoug wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:33 am I'm an American that pronounces it /niːʃ/, but then again, I've taken French class. I understand /nɪtʃ/ too.
I feel like 25 years ago Americans never said /niːʃ/, but now I'm hearing it everywhere and I finally get to say it "right" again, but I'm wracking my brain to undo the training I did to get myself to say /nɪtʃ/ lol
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One the topic of Niche does anyone pronounce Quiche /kwi:tʃ/ or even /kwɪtʃ/ i know i don't.
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I learned today that "Yosemite" has four syllables. I had always assumed it had two.
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Raphael wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:28 pm I learned today that "Yosemite" has four syllables. I had always assumed it had two.
It is tricky knowing that sometimes final <e> in English just happens to be /i/, but a good rule of thumb is that this is true if a word is not a native or nativized English word of Germanic, Oïl, or Latinate origin and the word does not have primary stress on its final syllable. A good example of this is that it is traditional in many English dialects such as that here to pronounce final unstressed <e> in words of German origin as /i/.

As for medial <e>, it is sometimes pronounced and sometimes not pronounced depending on the word, stress, carefulness, free variation, and the particular dialect when not at the end of a morpheme. Of course as it has primary stress in Yosemite so it is always pronounced in it.
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I realize that I thought the pronunciation has /I/ instead of /E/. I've heard it spoken more often than seen it written, probably (nature documentaries etc.), but must've gotten the 2nd vowel wrong.


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Of course, there are exceptions to what I said above, e.g. it is common to pronounce Porsche as monosyllabic, and when it is pronounced disyllabically it is common to pronounce the second vowel as a schwa.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Travis B. wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:37 pm Of course, there are exceptions to what I said above, e.g. it is common to pronounce Porsche as monosyllabic,
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Travis B. wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:37 pm Of course, there are exceptions to what I said above, e.g. it is common to pronounce Porsche as monosyllabic, and when it is pronounced disyllabically it is common to pronounce the second vowel as a schwa.
Talk about posh pronunciation.
/j/ <j>

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Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
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Zju wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 4:58 pm
Travis B. wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:37 pm Of course, there are exceptions to what I said above, e.g. it is common to pronounce Porsche as monosyllabic, and when it is pronounced disyllabically it is common to pronounce the second vowel as a schwa.
Talk about posh pronunciation.
I don't think Porsche and posh would ever merge, because posh has LOT whereas Porsche has NORTH/FORCE.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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If Porsche is disyllabic, then it is identical to the name Portia for me.
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In Dutch, "Porsche" is also pronounced monosyllabic /pOrsj/.


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in French it depends on your latitude,
in the north, one syllable (to reduce the opening time of cavities offered to the cold...)
in the south two (although the number of climate refugees is increasing the tendency to monosyllabism...)
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